p.1 #1 · Will the EFCS on the Sony a7C II and the Sony a7CR adequate for travel and landscape photography
After reading some reviews, it seems like both the a7C II and the a7CR can use either the Electronic Front-Curtain Shutter or the e-shutter. Neither has a mechanical shutter. I know EFCS is potentially an issue when shooting at f/1.4 and the quality of the bokeh. What if I'm mostly shooting at f/11 or f/16 to get maximum depth of field? Are there any limitations when shooting at mostly smaller apertures?
p.1 #2 · Will the EFCS on the Sony a7C II and the Sony a7CR adequate for travel and landscape photography
I’ve mostly left my cameras set on EFCS and never noticed any issues. I’ve seen some comparison where a difference was noticeable but it wasn’t that big. If you do a lot of shallow DOF work then it might make a difference. I don’t, but I’m sure others will comment.
p.1 #3 · Will the EFCS on the Sony a7C II and the Sony a7CR adequate for travel and landscape photography
My understanding is that the issue appears at fast shutter speeds e.g. > 1/1000s. And it's only an "issue" if busy bokeh bothers you. If you are shooting at F11/F16 etc you will never have to deal with shutter speeds this high so no problems there. In cases where you want to shoot a portrait with a blurred background I guess you could pop on an ND filter to reduce shutter speed if needed.
Personally I'm about to pull the trigger on an A7CR as a complement to my A1.
Short answer: They are great cameras for travel/landscape.
p.1 #4 · Will the EFCS on the Sony a7C II and the Sony a7CR adequate for travel and landscape photography
dakel wrote:
My understanding is that the issue appears at fast shutter speeds e.g. > 1/1000s. And it's only an "issue" if busy bokeh bothers you. If you are shooting at F11/F16 etc you will never have to deal with shutter speeds this high so no problems there. In cases where you want to shoot a portrait with a blurred background I guess you could pop on an ND filter to reduce shutter speed if needed.
[B]Personally I'm about to pull the trigger on an A7CR as a complement to my A1.
Short answer: They are great cameras for travel/landscape.
Do you know if the a7C II has the same body dimensions as the a7C? Either of these two cameras needs an L-plate!
p.1 #5 · Will the EFCS on the Sony a7C II and the Sony a7CR adequate for travel and landscape photography
lsquare wrote:
Do you know if the a7C II has the same body dimensions as the a7C? Either of these two cameras needs an L-plate!
They don't have exactly same body dimensions. Mainly the grip on a7CII is a big bigger. I don't think the same L-plate will work on both models. For example the grip extension GP-X2 is compatible with A7CII & A7CR but not with A7C.
I use my A7CII mostly in Silent / ES mode and only switch to EFCS (with anti-flicker on) in artificial light or also if I'm shooting moving subjects. There are no bokeh artifacts with ES, but if there is movement in the scene the slow readout could cause other problems (due to rolling shutter). You also get up to 1/8000 shutter speed with ES but only up to 1/4000 with EFCS.
p.1 #6 · Will the EFCS on the Sony a7C II and the Sony a7CR adequate for travel and landscape photography
Juha Kannisto wrote:
They don't have exactly same body dimensions. Mainly the grip on a7CII is a big bigger. I don't think the same L-plate will work on both models. For example the grip extension GP-X2 is compatible with A7CII & A7CR but not with A7C.
Oh, I see. I was hoping that an L-plate would be compatible with both cameras. Having said that, are there even any good quality L-plates on the market?
p.1 #7 · Will the EFCS on the Sony a7C II and the Sony a7CR adequate for travel and landscape photography
lsquare wrote:
Oh, I see. I was hoping that an L-plate would be compatible with both cameras. Having said that, are there even any good quality L-plates on the market?
I think there should be but I'm not an expert on them as I don't own / use one. Hopefully others can recommended some good ones. I just have the GP-X2 which helps the balance when using bigger / heavier lenses on my A7CII and I just use it with some lenses that are >500g.
p.1 #8 · Will the EFCS on the Sony a7C II and the Sony a7CR adequate for travel and landscape photography
lsquare wrote:
Oh, I see. I was hoping that an L-plate would be compatible with both cameras. Having said that, are there even any good quality L-plates on the market?
For Arca-Swiss compatible plates I use a SmallRig but I don’t know if they only have a base plate but also a L- bracket.
p.1 #9 · Will the EFCS on the Sony a7C II and the Sony a7CR adequate for travel and landscape photography
lsquare wrote:
After reading some reviews, it seems like both the a7C II and the a7CR can use either the Electronic Front-Curtain Shutter or the e-shutter. Neither has a mechanical shutter. I know EFCS is potentially an issue when shooting at f/1.4 and the quality of the bokeh. What if I'm mostly shooting at f/11 or f/16 to get maximum depth of field? Are there any limitations when shooting at mostly smaller apertures?
p.1 #11 · Will the EFCS on the Sony a7C II and the Sony a7CR adequate for travel and landscape photography
lsquare wrote:
I only see a base plate on Amazon.
I did see on SmallRig’s own site they do list an L-bracket version as well. It’s listed as SmallRig L-Bracket for Sony Alpha 7C II / Alpha 7CR 4569. It’s on a site smallrigseller.com
p.1 #12 · Will the EFCS on the Sony a7C II and the Sony a7CR adequate for travel and landscape photography
swldstn wrote:
I did see on SmallRig’s own site they do list an L-bracket version as well. It’s listed as SmallRig L-Bracket for Sony Alpha 7C II / Alpha 7CR 4569. It’s on a site smallrigseller.com
p.1 #15 · Will the EFCS on the Sony a7C II and the Sony a7CR adequate for travel and landscape photography
swldstn wrote:
Not 100% sure exactly the status of the website.
Interesting: The Smallrig L-plate is not to be found at the Smallrig dot com site.
Anyway, lsquare, do you really need an L-plate? If not the Smallrig bottom plate for the A7Cii and A7CR is very good. I haven't used the "grip" Sony included with the A7CR.
p.1 #16 · Will the EFCS on the Sony a7C II and the Sony a7CR adequate for travel and landscape photography
Jonas B wrote:
Interesting: The Smallrig L-plate is not to be found at the Smallrig dot com site.
Anyway, lsquare, do you really need an L-plate? If not the Smallrig bottom plate for the A7Cii and A7CR is very good. I haven't used the "grip" Sony included with the A7CR.
p.1 #17 · Will the EFCS on the Sony a7C II and the Sony a7CR adequate for travel and landscape photography
lsquare wrote:
What if I want to shoot vertically?
Yes, then what?
What I asked you to ask yourself is if you really need an L-plate. If you don't shoot vertically often the bottom plate may be the right plate considering everything.
You also ask, in another thread, what camera "we" recommend for you. You really shouldn't spend 3000 dollars based on random opinions offered by strangers.
Is there no way you can rent and try? Or at least visit a camera shop and try the cameras in your hand?
p.1 #18 · Will the EFCS on the Sony a7C II and the Sony a7CR adequate for travel and landscape photography
Jonas B wrote:
Yes, then what?
What I asked you to ask yourself is if you really need an L-plate. If you don't shoot vertically often the bottom plate may be the right plate considering everything.
You also ask, in another thread, what camera "we" recommend for you. You really shouldn't spend 3000 dollars based on random opinions offered by strangers.
Is there no way you can rent and try? Or at least visit a camera shop and try the cameras in your hand?
I've already felt and held the cameras. A demo at the camera shop is t the same as using it long-term. Having said that, what's the rush? Let's have this discussion. Does it matter to you when or if I get it? Let's use the forum and engage a serious and substantive discussion. If you can't, then carry on, and thanks for the help.
p.1 #19 · Will the EFCS on the Sony a7C II and the Sony a7CR adequate for travel and landscape photography
lsquare wrote:
I've already felt and held the cameras. A demo at the camera shop is t the same as using it long-term. Having said that, what's the rush? Let's have this discussion. Does it matter to you when or if I get it? Let's use the forum and engage a serious and substantive discussion. If you can't, then carry on, and thanks for the help.
Buy used…try…and if you don’t like, resell with very little cost. Everyone has differing needs and usage so it’s really hard to gauge anything from a bunch of strangers on the net.
p.1 #20 · Will the EFCS on the Sony a7C II and the Sony a7CR adequate for travel and landscape photography
lsquare wrote:
I've already felt and held the cameras. A demo at the camera shop is t the same as using it long-term. Having said that, what's the rush? Let's have this discussion. Does it matter to you when or if I get it? Let's use the forum and engage a serious and substantive discussion. If you can't, then carry on, and thanks for the help.
While advice given here is not always without errors I and others are more than happy to answer questions about these cameras. Since you have actually held the cameras in a local shop that a big help. If you need additional info feel free to ask. It also helps if you spend a moment to describe what you plan to shoot and what lenses you’re considering.
Personally on my A7CR and A7CII I have both Sony’s GP-X2 Grip Extension that came with the A7CR and the SmallRig base plate. I have two of each and bought the second GP-X2 used here on FM. Just saw one on KEH as well. I like that grip for general walk around use or when wanting to use a bigger lens when hand holding the camera. I use the SmallRig baseplate for a tripod but admit for these bodies I rarely use a tripod since I’m trying to travel light. For my larger full size bodies I have a true L bracket most of the time and even one when using a battery grip.
I did, based on the discussion here decided to order SmallRig’s true L-bracket from that shop in Miami but it won’t arrive until later next week. I decided since I’m taking a trip later this year I’d bring my smaller compact body and a small travel tripod so a true L-bracket would be helpful.
