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New Battery Pack LP-E6P and R5 II Performance?

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p.1 #1 · p.1 #1 · New Battery Pack LP-E6P and R5 II Performance?

Has anyone seen a review or note confirming whether the new Battery Pack LP-E6P is just longer lasting or if it's required for high frame rate shooting in the way the E6NH was for 20FPS in the R5? I've only watched two previews (Fro and Vanessa Joy) and they seem to give opposite takes on the battery.

Just wondering since I don't really need new batteries or want to buy more right now but I also am not going to buy a $4200 camera and leave its functionality on the table. If the E6P is just longer lasting I'll pass, I don't mind swapping batteries. If it's going to prevent high speed (20-30 FPS) shooting then that's the price I pay for upgrading.

Jul 17, 2024 at 07:10 AM

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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · New Battery Pack LP-E6P and R5 II Performance?

Edit: Gordon at CameraLabs has the answer:

"Speaking of batteries, the R5 II’s more hungry features have demanded an upgraded pack, now called the LP-E6P. I believe this will work on older models, but older E6NH packs don’t have the required power to support the full R5 II feature-set."

Jul 17, 2024 at 07:16 AM

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p.1 #3 · p.1 #3 · New Battery Pack LP-E6P and R5 II Performance?

johnctharp wrote:
Edit: Gordon at CameraLabs has the answer:

"Speaking of batteries, the R5 II’s more hungry features have demanded an upgraded pack, now called the LP-E6P. I believe this will work on older models, but older E6NH packs don’t have the required power to support the full R5 II feature-set."

Thanks, just took a look at his preview. Ordered a couple to be safe.

Jul 17, 2024 at 07:58 AM

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p.1 #4 · p.1 #4 · New Battery Pack LP-E6P and R5 II Performance?

Jan says that precapture is only available with the new battery. He didn't say if 30FPS requires it but reading between the lines it seems like 30FPS will work with the older batteries

Jul 17, 2024 at 08:17 AM

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p.1 #5 · p.1 #5 · New Battery Pack LP-E6P and R5 II Performance?

TDP says this:
"The R5 II brings with it the next generation of LP-E6 battery pack, the graphically differentiated LP-E6P (2130 mAh), featuring "... higher continuous power and two-times the amperage". [Canon USA] While the LP-E6NH (2130 mAh) and LP-E6N (1865 mAh) will power the R5 II, the fastest drive speeds and most advanced video features will not be available."

Implies the R5 II with LP-E6 can drive the RF motors on big lenses (e.g. RF600 f/4) at the same higher speed as the R3 could. Also supports in-camera charging, which might be nice.

Jul 17, 2024 at 09:46 AM

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p.1 #6 · p.1 #6 · New Battery Pack LP-E6P and R5 II Performance?

From The Digital Picture: “The LP-E6P batteries will power older cameras using LP-E6 style batteries after a firmware update, and older chargers will charge LP-6P batteries.”

Jul 17, 2024 at 10:33 AM

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p.1 #7 · p.1 #7 · New Battery Pack LP-E6P and R5 II Performance?

Found an LP-E6 teardown, you can apparently short these batteries out , risking explosion, if you pull them apart, but the LP-E6 has a couple 18500's + circuitry like it's predecessor, BP-511. If they changed the size of the battery, they'd probably call it something else, no backward compatibility, so they'd almost have to put higher capacity or amperage 18500's in later models

Doesn't really address the op's question directly, but interesting

https://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Canon+LP-E6+battery+pack+Teardown/133243

Jul 17, 2024 at 12:01 PM

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p.1 #8 · p.1 #8 · New Battery Pack LP-E6P and R5 II Performance?

I will look for it but I read /listened somewhere that the new battery has the same maH as the old, just able to draw more instantaneously.

But dpreview summary says that R5ii gets more shots per battery so maybe there are internal optimisations that use power better.

Jul 17, 2024 at 12:52 PM

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p.1 #9 · p.1 #9 · New Battery Pack LP-E6P and R5 II Performance?

So it's still a bit ambiguous to me what functionality requires the new "P" battery.

- On B&H's R1/R5II video w/ the Canon reps. Paul Hawxhurst initially said 8K video is not enabled unless the "P" battery is installed. Then later added 30FPS and pre-capture is also not available.

- But on Canon's PDF spec sheet the only function with an "*" noting the "P" battery is required is Dual Shooting (simultaneous video recording and photo capture). Plenty of *" under the various video resolution and codecs, including SD card speeds, but no mention of battery.

So I guess we'll have to wait until the camera ships before we know for sure when the "P" battery is a must. Dual Capture is a function I'll be using so I'll be keeping the batteries I've ordered.

Jul 18, 2024 at 08:40 AM

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p.1 #10 · p.1 #10 · New Battery Pack LP-E6P and R5 II Performance?

Hairy Heron wrote:
So it's still a bit ambiguous to me what functionality requires the new "P" battery.

- On B&H's R1/R5II video w/ the Canon reps. Paul Hawxhurst initially said 8K video is not enabled unless the "P" battery is installed. Then later added 30FPS and pre-capture is also not available.

- But on Canon's PDF spec sheet the only function with an "*" noting the "P" battery is required is Dual Shooting (simultaneous video recording and photo capture). Plenty of *" under the various video resolution and codecs, including SD card speeds, but no mention of battery.

So I guess we'll have to...Show more →

I translated the Canon Japan site about the R5II and it does confirm that PreCapture requires the P. I can't find a direct quote saying that 30FPS requires the P. Still searching....

Jul 18, 2024 at 09:08 AM

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p.1 #11 · p.1 #11 · New Battery Pack LP-E6P and R5 II Performance?

With all the power hungry advancements crammed into these new camera's today, it's not surprising that each generation needs more advanced batteries. Sooner or later though, they'll have to move on from the current LP-E6 form factor. It perhaps might happen with the R5III generation unless there is some big advancements in battery tech before then. I would think the 1 series batteries will be safe for a long very time.

Jul 18, 2024 at 09:20 AM

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p.1 #12 · p.1 #12 · New Battery Pack LP-E6P and R5 II Performance?

crispy mellows wrote:
TDP says this:
"The R5 II brings with it the next generation of LP-E6 battery pack, the graphically differentiated LP-E6P (2130 mAh), featuring "... higher continuous power and two-times the amperage". [Canon USA] While the LP-E6NH (2130 mAh) and LP-E6N (1865 mAh) will power the R5 II, the fastest drive speeds and most advanced video features will not be available."

Implies the R5 II with LP-E6 can drive the RF motors on big lenses (e.g. RF600 f/4) at the same higher speed as the R3 could. Also supports in-camera charging, which might be nice.

That would be great news as the R5 could not do it. I wonder if using the LP-E6 with the R5 could also boost the communication performance with the RF 600 and RF400 lenses.

Jul 20, 2024 at 09:13 PM

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p.1 #13 · p.1 #13 · New Battery Pack LP-E6P and R5 II Performance?

Hairy Heron wrote:
Has anyone seen a review or note confirming whether the new Battery Pack LP-E6P is just longer lasting(...).

It's the opposite, actually

The LP-E6P is also to deliver more power while keeping the same capacity, like a bigger opening in a water bottle. It will drain faster in the R5II, but you can do more. In other cameras you'll likely see little difference.

Any increased runtime will due to the LP-E6P being brand new versus your 4 year old LP-E6NH

Jul 21, 2024 at 03:17 AM

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p.1 #14 · p.1 #14 · New Battery Pack LP-E6P and R5 II Performance?

arbitrage wrote:
I translated the Canon Japan site about the R5II and it does confirm that PreCapture requires the P. I can't find a direct quote saying that 30FPS requires the P. Still searching....

My Canon R8 tiny LP-E17 batteries have not changed for a decade, but allow Pre-capture in R8.

Aug 11, 2024 at 01:36 PM


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