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Watching Fro's R1 video I have to say the new sports AF modes are mind blowing. Crazy how fast it goes to the face/eye of whomever has the basketball. That must be game changing for the sports guys when shooting these team sports with people all over the place. Kudos to Canon for developing that system.

Next up, automatically focus on the bird with the prey

Jul 17, 2024 at 03:59 PM

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Jul 17, 2024 at 04:05 PM

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I read here that the R1 isn’t a flagship but is still the best sports camera out there and that in essence Canon only messed up the marketing of the R1 but the engineers got it right for the target market.

However I fail to understand this view. To me it seems that the a9III is very far ahead as a sport camera. What makes people say the R1 is leading?

More fundamentally, it feels that folks were describing the AF of the R3 as absolutely perfect yesterday. But all of a sudden the R1 would be blowing it out of the water? Can these views be credible?

I am sure the R1 will be a very competent upgrade for Canon shooters but I fail to see how it leads in anything really. And when you add to that the lukewarm RF télé lenses line up compared to Nikon and impossibility to adapt other mirrorless lenses, you end up wondering whether it still makes sense to remain in the RF camp. It feels like a long term self-defeating decision to be permanently a few years behind. Why should talented photographers have to be penalized this way… and then also need to defend the brand compromising their own objectivity in the process? That feels like double injury to me.

It seems totally clear by now that Canon is purposefully leaking fake overblown specs to keep people interested and then expect their faithful brand fans to defend them when reality emerges. Is that a fair way to do business? Are ethical behaviors really irrelevant? What kind of suppliers do we want to work with?

Jul 17, 2024 at 04:21 PM

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garyvot wrote:
Sure, what to matters to a buyer is what they can buy the cameras for right now.

But according to both B&H and Nikon USA, $3499 is a sale price, with the camera being offered for $500 off it's $3999 list price.

Could this sale price be made permanent? Sure I guess, but comparing the current promotional price of a product on sale to the list price of something brand new is not an apples to apples thing.

Nikon was smart to time its Z8 sales pricing around the time of Canon's announcement, to elicit exactly these responses, I imagine.

With all due respect I'm having a hard time understanding why anyone here is trying to compare R5II pricing to the original Z8 release price? If Nikon raises their price back up then we'll have a $300 price difference, but until then it's an $800 price difference. The current price comparison is what both cameras can be purchased for today. If one using the original price of $3999 then to me it means they would offer to pay $3999 today when everyone else can buy it for $3496. Would you? Would this make sense? Call it a sale price, promotion, or whatever, these are the prices of the camera today, and that is exactly an apples to apples comparison. No one is going to spend $3999 on a z8 today when it can be bought for $3496 below.

To make matters worse for the price gap, for those in the know here who buy gear on FM, a brand new Z8 with warranty can be bought for $3000 with receipt and warranty. That is the screaming deal, and that broadens the gap even more until R5II's hit the market and can be had less for $4299, which might take awhile. There may be a better time in the future to compare pricing between the R5II and Z8 to narrow the gap to $300, but now is not that time:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1865702/0?keyword=Z8#16595205

If we are calling the Z8 a $3999 camera today to compare it with the R5II, then we are calling the 1DXII a $5999 camera, the R3 $4999, and we are using every other camera's original list price to use for comparison. I'm sure everyone would agree this makes no sense, because there's a release date and time on the market to be considered for the price of a camera. Would anyone here compare the 1DXII @ $5999 or R3 @ $4999 to the R1@ $6299 just because the list prices are still seen below (like the Z8's)? I don't think so, unless one is purposely trying to handicap the 1DXII or R3 by using their original list prices:

Jul 17, 2024 at 04:50 PM

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p.6 #6 · p.6 #6 · Official Canon EOS R1 Images and Specifications

snapsy wrote:
That work is for the dual gain readout, which I'm familiar with. I was speaking to the extended ISO DR extension you mentioned that you thought was on a Panasonic.

Are you sure you read the correct post? The one I linked is about the extended low ISO setting. This is the one about the dual gain readout.

https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7139

Also, as far as Panasonic using it obviously I don't actually know that's the case; it's just that I see very similar behavior to what a1ex did with the extended low ISO on the 5D3.

Jul 17, 2024 at 04:53 PM

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whumber wrote:
Are you sure you read the correct post? The one I linked is about the extended low ISO setting. This is the one about the dual gain readout.

https://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=7139

Also, as far as Panasonic using it obviously I don't actually know that's the case; it's just that I see very similar behavior to what a1ex did with the extended low ISO on the 5D3.

I thought it was a post to the ML dual ISO. The post you're referring to actually changes the gain assigned with a given ISO, so that's not using an extended ISO - it's simply reassigning an existing one.

Jul 17, 2024 at 05:00 PM

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artsupreme wrote:
With all due respect I'm having a hard time understanding why anyone here is trying to compare R5II pricing to the original Z8 release price? If Nikon raises their price back up then we'll have a $300 price difference, but until then it's an $800 price difference. The current price comparison is what both cameras can be purchased for today. If one using the original price of $3999 then to me it means they would offer to pay $3999 today when everyone else can buy it for $3496. Would you? Would this make sense? Call it a sale price, promotion,...Show more →

I think this discussion is generating a lot more heat than light.

I confess to not being current on the pricing for all the different brands. I made an assumption that the Z8 price being discussed was a short-term promotional price, similar to how Canon runs occasional promotions at retail.

If this is *not* the case, and Z8s have been selling at this price more or less indefinitely, then I will happily concede the point that the Z8 represents a better value for anyone who might be cross shopping.

This isn't a bad thing for Canon fans in any case, as after Canon mines the early adopters, market pressure might require that the price come down sooner rather than later.

Jul 17, 2024 at 05:03 PM

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bernardl wrote:
I read here that the R1 isn’t a flagship but is still the best sports camera out there and that in essence Canon only messed up the marketing of the R1 but the engineers got it right for the target market.

However I fail to understand this view. To me it seems that the a9III is very far ahead as a sport camera. What makes people say the R1 is leading?

More fundamentally, it feels that folks were describing the AF of the R3 as absolutely perfect yesterday. But all of a sudden the R1 would be blowing it out of the...Show more →

You make a lot of good points, and I was the one who said the R1 should be the best sports camera available. That was an assumption and I could be wrong, so I guess I should have said the R1 is Canon's best sports body, or Canon's flagship sports body. I don't know how an A9III will compare but I guess it could be very comparable or even better for some uses.

As for the R3, you are very correct. It's near perfection for me as I don't feel like I ever miss shots with it. And so I will go out on a limb and make a claim without ever touching an R1, that two photographers shooting the same event with both cameras will produce the same end result. Unless, there's a very very very specific specialty shot that can't be done without pre-cab pure or similar, but that's a very very small percentage where the R1 could have a slight edge. This is why I'm calling the R1 an R3mkII, because it is.

I agree about the canon apologists, I can't fathom why some here appear to be sleeping with their cameras and will defend Canon to their graves. I love Canon and always have, but I'll be the first to call a spade a spade and accept a failure or inferior piece of gear from Canon. I've got Nikon and Sony friends PM'ing me and texting me wondering how some of these guys are in such denial, and I don't have an answer for them.

I don't believe Canon released the bunk rumor information that was misleading. If anything that got people excited with higher expectations and makes the R1 release even more of a disaster (as a flagship).

To me, the R5II is the best news of the day from Canon, and I'm guessing Canon released both bodies on the same day knowing that if they just released the R1 by itself it would be even more of an epic fail.

Jul 17, 2024 at 05:08 PM

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garyvot wrote:
I think this discussion is generating a lot more heat than light.

I confess to not being current on the pricing for all the different brands. I made an assumption that the Z8 price being discussed was a short-term promotional price, similar to how Canon runs occasional promotions at retail.

If this is *not* the case, and Z8s have been selling at this price more or less indefinitely, then I will happily concede the point that the Z8 represents a better value for anyone who might be cross shopping.

This isn't a bad thing for Canon fans in any case, as after...Show more →

Gary, yes the Z8 pricing has been in place for weeks as it's not just a weekend or one week sale. That's all I was getting at. In the end, the R5II's premium at $800 could still possibly be justified for some people depending on performance/needs, but the $300 difference would definitely look much better for the R5II. As for anyone here, I would say buying the new Z8 for $3k is definitely the best option when comparing the two bodies, but not everyone knows about that deal.

We could be revisiting this in no time if Canon or Nikon adjusts their pricing, but these prices could hold for awhile.

Jul 17, 2024 at 05:15 PM

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snapsy wrote:
I thought it was a post to the ML dual ISO. The post you're referring to actually changes the gain assigned with a given ISO, so that's not using an extended ISO - it's simply reassigning an existing one.

Correct, it's not using the actual extended ISOs, it's modifying the existing ones so ISO 100 becomes an effective ISO 66; but unlike the ISO 50/L setting, you actually get an increase in dynamic range by utilizing the highlight headroom that bumps into the non-linear response region.

Jul 17, 2024 at 05:42 PM

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It's a paid Canon piece, but it's still neat to see motorsports photography.

Jul 17, 2024 at 06:16 PM

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Jeff Cable covers the US team at the Olympics. He got to use a pre-production R3 last time.
He has the R1 and R5II in Paris and posted his initial impressions on his blog.

He'll post pix when the games begin.

https://blog.jeffcable.com/

Jul 17, 2024 at 06:30 PM

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EVERYTHING About the Canon R1 and R5 Mark II | The PetaPixel Podcast

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Nikon1960 wrote:
Actually, the R3 was a $5999 camera at launch.

You are correct, which would make the comparison even worse if we used the R3's original list price.

Jul 17, 2024 at 08:12 PM

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If someone told me in 2009 that the 1DmkIV would have the highest pixel density of any 1-series body for the next 16 years, I would not have believed them.

Jul 17, 2024 at 11:05 PM

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24mp means the R1 is a direct competitor with the A9 III and about the same price. Which is not so bad, after all.

The A9 III has a global shutter which hurts DR, at least I've read that's a possibility. It has almost a stop less vs 5D4, A9 II and about the samw vs 5DsR. R1 might be able to make gains there.

Jul 18, 2024 at 12:33 AM

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arbitrage wrote:
Watching Fro's R1 video I have to say the new sports AF modes are mind blowing. Crazy how fast it goes to the face/eye of whomever has the basketball. That must be game changing for the sports guys when shooting these team sports with people all over the place. Kudos to Canon for developing that system.

Next up, automatically focus on the bird with the prey

He demonstrated the same attributes using the R5II, it was pretty impressive !!

Jul 18, 2024 at 01:49 AM

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bernardl wrote:
Why should talented photographers have to be penalized this way…

Maybe ask those who, for whatever unfathomable reason, still used Nikon between around 1989 to at least 2007 when it was clearly the inferior system to Canon? Or why anyone bothered to be a Sony FE adopter when its AF was vastly inferior to DSLR options until the a9 in 2017?

(Because for some, these systems still had redeeming qualities that made them worthwhile.)

I think you know that on paper you can make mountains out of molehill differences.

But as you have even conceded, these are all great camera systems that talented photographers will be able to use successfully. So why come over to the Canon board to pity the poor Canon photographers lost in delusion about the system if not to preach to them the truth of the transgressions made against them by Canon and the redemption that awaits should they choose to forsake it?

From my perspective, the points frequently espoused don't really matter to *my* photography, and probably others, too. Some things might make marginal technical improvements here or there. Elsewhere there might be negative tradeoffs. In the end, it'll be a wash that doesn't justify hopping around systems. So just accept it; not everyone shares the same priorities about these technical considerations. Thanks for once again taking the time out of your regular posting schedule to visit and remind us about Canon's many flaws. While it may appear we're in denial, we're aware of these points (notwithstanding the constant reminders). They just don't carry the same weight as they appear to, for those looking in from the outside.

Jul 18, 2024 at 03:48 AM

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