Some rumors going around (TheNewCamera) is stating that there is a Z7 III in the works with perhaps some ridiculous specs which I can not believe whatsoever. Specs are:
Accelerated 90.75mp BSI Sensor
Pixel Shift
Dual-Stream AF
14fps RAW Mechanical
12-Bit NRAW 12K/30p (lol)
12-Bit NRAW 4K/120p
Support non-point-to-point NRAW encoding
Fine shutter angle options
Cross Pixel Super Pixel Packing Sensor Mode
I think most of these are laughable and some of which I've never heard of. They also state a Nikon Z80 is due to be announced by August that'll have the "same IBIS as Z6 III and Dual Data Stream Technology"..... again I have no idea what that is. All I can say is .... PetaPixel stated that they had no indication of a Z7 III, which I'm sure they asked Nikon when testing the Z6 III. They stated every Z6 release was accomplanied by the Z7, except now, which gives them doubt of a Z7 III. I believe there is room for it, in both specs and pricing. It can have a 60mp BSI sensor aimed at studio, landscape, product photography with 4K 10-Bit internal (line skipped) would suffice at $3099. It'll be $800 cheaper than a Z8 and wouldn't be appealing to those who want video so it wouldn't take Z6 III sales.
So I do agree some sites are trying to get click talking about the Z7III, and I do realistically see the Z7III being in the 45mp to 65mp range. But wildly enough a camera with specs like you posted is probably doable:
- Accelerated 90.75mp BSI Sensor
(Sony has an 88mp FF sensor, as pointed out in the Z7III topic, so the resolution or close to it is doable)
- Pixel Shift
(Definitely doable)
- Dual-Stream AF
(Not sure what this would be, Nikon does have Dual Stream pipelines in the Z9 / Z8 for the EVF and processing images)
- 14fps RAW Mechanical
(The D6 and Z6III can fo 14fps Mechanical so it's possible)
- 12-Bit NRAW 12K/30p (lol)
(Z8 can do 8k at 60fps, so 12k a 30fps should be doable and the Blackmagic URSA Mini Pro 12K do 12k 60fps)
- 12-Bit NRAW 4K/120p
(Z8 can already do this)
- Support non-point-to-point NRAW encoding
(Do they mean intra frame encoding or streaming NRAW? Either could be possible but not sure what there going for here)
- Fine shutter angle options
(A way of selecting shutter speed in video cameras, definitely doable)
- Cross Pixel Super Pixel Packing Sensor Mode
(Sounds like a way to reduce resolution and give an IQ most like how iPhone pros use the 48mp sensor to make 12mp images, which if so is definitely doable)
I have been saying this for a while now and more so since the Z6III was announced... There isn't a place for a Z7III. If it would be $3000, there is very little reason to buy it over a $3500 Z8.
Also, in Steve Perry's Z6III video, he stated he asked the Nikon Rep about a Z7III and he said the Rep said Nikon is evaluating the market, which likely means it's not even in development yet. Unless they plan to just duplicate the Z6III and give it a 45mp sensor, but that would mean a partially stacked sensor they'd have to make for a single camera model. I don't see that happening at all.
DWOfPaul wrote:
So I do agree some sites are trying to get click talking about the Z7III, and I do realistically see the Z7III being in the 45mp to 65mp range. But wildly enough a camera with specs like you posted is probably doable:
- Accelerated 90.75mp BSI Sensor
(Sony has an 88mp FF sensor, as pointed out in the Z7III topic, so the resolution or close to it is doable)
- Pixel Shift
(Definitely doable)
- Dual-Stream AF
(Not sure what this would be, Nikon does have Dual Stream pipelines in the Z9 / Z8 for the EVF and processing images)
- 14fps RAW Mechanical
(The D6 and Z6III can fo 14fps Mechanical so it's possible)
- 12-Bit NRAW 12K/30p (lol)
(Z8 can do 8k at 60fps, so 12k a 30fps should be doable and the Blackmagic URSA Mini Pro 12K do 12k 60fps)
- 12-Bit NRAW 4K/120p
(Z8 can already do this)
- Support non-point-to-point NRAW encoding
(Do they mean intra frame encoding or streaming NRAW? Either could be possible but not sure what there going for here)
- Fine shutter angle options
(A way of selecting shutter speed in video cameras, definitely doable)
- Cross Pixel Super Pixel Packing Sensor Mode
(Sounds like a way to reduce resolution and give an IQ most like how iPhone pros use the 48mp sensor to make 12mp images, which if so is definitely doable)
I think 12K RAW would take some SERIOUS processing and cooling, highly doubt Expeed7 is capable of that. In fact, for a handheld camera, that's cinema camera resolution (like an FX9, or RED camera) so that makes absolutely no sense.
Eric214 wrote:
I have been saying this for a while now and more so since the Z6III was announced... There isn't a place for a Z7III. If it would be $3000, there is very little reason to buy it over a $3500 Z8
$3500 is the discounted price, but MSRP is still $3999.95 so eventually prices will go back up when the sale is over. So there is definitely price room for Z7 III, at $3099 or $3199
ArizonaImage wrote:
$3500 is the discounted price, but MSRP is still $3999.95 so eventually prices will go back up when the sale is over. So there is definitely price room for Z7 III, at $3099 or $3199
I am aware of the price being a sale but it's been at $3500 and $3700 as often than $3999 the last few months. But that is also if the Z7III is only $3000, it could very well be $3200 or $3300 as the Z6III is $500 more then the previous Z6 and Z6II that were only $2000 That might make it less or only slightly more of a price difference.
Eric214 wrote:
I am aware of the price being a sale but it's been at $3500 and $3700 as often than $3999 the last few months. But that is also if the Z7III is only $3000, it could very well be $3200 or $3300 as the Z6III is $500 more then the previous Z6 and Z6II that were only $2000
If Nikon puts in a 60mp BSI sensor, Expeed7 and 10-Bit 4k Internal, I think that's enough to attract buyers. It'll be a great high res camera for landscape, studio, and architectural photos. It wouldn't be fast to compete with with a Z8, not in speed, not in video. It wouldn't appeal to Z6 III buyers because its lacking low light, video... they can do it. Sony's got the A7S, A7, A7R, and A9 line up that pretty much covers every base and price point;
ArizonaImage wrote:
If Nikon puts in a 60mp BSI sensor, Expeed7 and 10-Bit 4k Internal, I think that's enough to attract buyers. It'll be a great high res camera for landscape, studio, and architectural photos. It wouldn't be fast to compete with with a Z8, not in speed, not in video. It wouldn't appeal to Z6 III buyers because its lacking low light, video... they can do it. Sony's got the A7S, A7, A7R, and A9 line up that pretty much covers every base and price point;
But those aren't the same cameras. I mean some are video-centric and poor for stills and vice-versa. The Z5 and Z7 have been the same camera with only the difference being a 24mp and 45mp sensor.
If Nikon puts in a 60mp sensor then that could make a small difference. But Nikon's history tells you that isn't very likely at all and with what they did with the Z6, that tells me they aren't interested in reinventing the wheel. The bumped the processor, and partially stacked the sensor. Gave it the Z8 AF system and brought the video specs up to current (that 24mp will allow... no 8k)
Anyway, it's all speculation and no one knows. Certainly not some hack website. we will see in time. I just think the Z8 leave no room and some of the "Polls" here and around other forums even the Z6III is getting a 75% no, people aren't buying/interested
ArizonaImage wrote:
If Nikon puts in a 60mp BSI sensor, Expeed7 and 10-Bit 4k Internal, I think that's enough to attract buyers. It'll be a great high res camera for landscape, studio, and architectural photos. It wouldn't be fast to compete with with a Z8, not in speed, not in video. It wouldn't appeal to Z6 III buyers because its lacking low light, video... they can do it. Sony's got the A7S, A7, A7R, and A9 line up that pretty much covers every base and price point;
The difference in the Sony lineup is that the A7R V has a large price gap to the A1. The Z8 is Nikon’s A1 and it’s way cheaper, so putting a slower high megapixel body at a similar price point is not as viable…at close to the same price most people would buy the body that can do everything.
An ultra high resolution sensor like the specs here would also work, but they aren’t going to make it a performance body too if they go that route.
Jman13 wrote:
The difference in the Sony lineup is that the A7R V has a large price gap to the A1. The Z8 is Nikon’s A1 and it’s way cheaper, so putting a slower high megapixel body at a similar price point is not as viable…at close to the same price most people would buy the body that can do everything.
An ultra high resolution sensor like the specs here would also work, but they aren’t going to make it a performance body too if they go that route.
Eric214 wrote:
I have been saying this for a while now and more so since the Z6III was announced... There isn't a place for a Z7III. If it would be $3000, there is very little reason to buy it over a $3500 Z8.
Also, in Steve Perry's Z6III video, he stated he asked the Nikon Rep about a Z7III and he said the Rep said Nikon is evaluating the market, which likely means it's not even in development yet. Unless they plan to just duplicate the Z6III and give it a 45mp sensor, but that would mean a partially stacked sensor they'd have to make for a single camera model. I don't see that happening at all....Show more →
Nikon Sales rep have zero visibility about Nikon's future plans until a few weeks before announcement. And when asked in that period they cannot answer...
As I said before, I am sure that Nikon will come up soon with a high resolution camera. I don't think that 60mp makes any sense in 2024, so 90mp makes as much sense as 80mp. with that level of resolution pixel binding makes sense. Don't know whether it would be packaged as a Z7III or as a z8x, but considering the target market a smaller camera makes more sense. So my view is that it is totally logical for nikon to release a 80+ mp camera as a Z7III in the second half of 2024.
90.75MP is approximately 3.7x 24.5MP and the Z6 III is said to be about 3.5X quicker than the Z6 II.
So if it’s using the same tech as the Z6 III we can use the Zf (IMX410 + EXPEED 7) performance as an approximation perhaps.
If it’s a 2025 release then it might not be the same sensor tech nor processor though but hypothetically would a 90.75MP Z7 III performing like a Zf be acceptable to folks interested in a Z7 III?
bernardl wrote:
Nikon Sales rep have zero visibility about Nikon's future plans until a few weeks before announcement. And when asked in that period they cannot answer...
As I said before, I am sure that Nikon will come up soon with a high resolution camera. I don't think that 60mp makes any sense in 2024, so 90mp makes as much sense as 80mp. with that level of resolution pixel binding makes sense. Don't know whether it would be packaged as a Z7III or as a z8x, but considering the target market a smaller camera makes more sense. So my view is that it is totally logical for nikon to release a 80+ mp camera as a Z7III in the second half of 2024.
They know more then you think the6 do on things that are fairly imminent. At least the one in the Northeast USA that I've spoken to on the in the past. They aren't made aware of details and under NDA'e obviously. But they've given hints in the past and were right about it
I’m not a video guy and am not qualified to talk about it but where might RED fit into this scenario? Something like a Z8ii with RED goodness to differentiate it making more room for a high mpx Z7iii.
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Jman13 wrote:
The difference in the Sony lineup is that the A7R V has a large price gap to the A1. The Z8 is Nikon’s A1 and it’s way cheaper, so putting a slower high megapixel body at a similar price point is not as viable…at close to the same price most people would buy the body that can do everything.
An ultra high resolution sensor like the specs here would also work, but they aren’t going to make it a performance body too if they go that route.
I think Jordan is right about a 60MP Z7 III and I think that is why Nikon did not bring one out now. If they make an approximately 90 MP Z7 III, it won't have to be fast and they can sell it for basically the same price as a Z8. It is a totally different type of camera. It is not an action camera, but a high IQ camera. Up the AF recognition with great AI but don't worry as much about tracking AF, and as long as you put in a really nice mechanical shutter then you don't have to worry about sensor scan speed so much either. It won't have good video specs really either. As a Sony A7r V owner, this would be an interesting camera and I think there is a place for such a stills centric high IQ camera.
ekam wrote:
80MP on FF will be noisy due to the pixel size. Just get MF if you want 100MP.
Not if you downres the files to equivalent size. For example, such a camera would compete very well for noise at 24MP with the Z6 III comparing 24MP from both cameras. Higher MP are only noisy at really huge sizes and of course only at higher ISOs. At base ISO, which for Nikon would likely be 64, even at huge sizes there would be very little noise. If you shoot at or near base ISO most of the time, then the extra MP can be really nice and especially so if you want really big files (e.g., you want to make big prints).
ArizonaImage wrote:
I think 12K RAW would take some SERIOUS processing and cooling, highly doubt Expeed7 is capable of that. In fact, for a handheld camera, that's cinema camera resolution (like an FX9, or RED camera) so that makes absolutely no sense.
The biggest part I have a question about is would a 90mp sensor generate much more heat than a 45mp sensor. From a pure processing perspective the Z8 can do 8k(45mp) 60fps, that would mean Expeed7 should be able to do 12k 30fps(90mp). It's double the resolution but 1/2 the fps which means at the end of the day it's doing basically the same number of cautions per second.
Also if a camera company makes a 90mp camera and wants the EVF to be able to display 100% resolution the camera will need to be able to process 90mp of resolution.
Personally I would be happy with a z7III at 45mp and I don't have a need for 8k video yet, never mind 12k, but it seams pretty clear 90mp cameras and 12k video will be coming, most likely in the next few years.
Eric214 wrote:
Anyway, it's all speculation and no one knows. Certainly not some hack website. we will see in time. I just think the Z8 leave no room and some of the "Polls" here and around other forums even the Z6III is getting a 75% no, people aren't buying/interested
I am not surprised when I see polls with 75% of people saying no. Some people voting might not even be Nikon Z FF camera users. Most of the sites making polls are photo centric, where the Z6III is fairly video centric. I don't see many people that already have a Z9, Z8, or ZF, buying a Z6III unless they need a body that is video centric. Most people either buy a new camera because it offers them something there current camera can't (Z6III doesn't have much a Z9 / Z8 can't do), the camera is unique and they buy it for the experience (ZF falls in this category), or the camera is affordable for what it does (Z6III definitely wins here and has a strong value proposition). That's why it's important for camera companies to have diffrent lines that target diffrent types of users in both features and price point. For example I doubt Z9 and Z5 users overlap much.
Spectro wrote:
I’m not a video guy and am not qualified to talk about it but where might RED fit into this scenario? Something like a Z8ii with RED goodness to differentiate it making more room for a high mpx Z7iii.
I'm not a video guy either, and I take issue with video being forced into every camera that Nikon is currently manufacturing, irrespective of whether or not the customer wants to pay for video capability.
The act of forcing increasingly high performance video capabilities into every camera benefits Nikon in the form of higher unit sale prices, but it does not benefit the customers who are seeking a still-centric high-IQ camera. Those customers who feel that they are being forced to pay for features that they do not want have no choice other than to buy a different brand of camera. IMO that's a mistake on Nikon's part. I've been a loyal Nikon customer since the film era, but the realization that stills-centric high-IQ can only be had elsewhere has killed several decades of brand loyalty for me.
With the acquisition of Red it appears evident that Nikon intends to transition from a stills-centric photography company to become a videography company. It would seem that with the acquisition of Red, Nikon intends to amortize that acquisition cost across it's entire customer base by forcing incremental improvements in video performance into all of their cameras, irrespective of whether or not their customers want to buy video.
That's a great thing if your interest is in cinematography and you aspire to own Red video technology as it trickles down into smaller camera bodies, but it's not such a great thing if your interest lies in photography. Nikon is actively transitioning from a stills camera company into a video camera company, and they expect to distribute the cost of that transition upon everyone who buys one of their cameras. Being interested in a stills-centric high-IQ camera, I have no interest in subsidizing Nikon's decision to democratize Red cinematography technology across it's entire line of cameras.
At this time it seems that Nikon doesn't have any interest in producing stills-centric high-IQ cameras any more. If that's the case, then I won't be buying any more new Nikon bodies, and my needs will have to be met in the world of medium format. I could be wrong though -- I really hope that Nikon is willing to produce an stills-centric high-IQ camera. I'd buy it. But I think that because it would be technologically sparse and would not require any of the Red tech, such a camera would need to be priced like the Z6 and not the Z8.
.... PetaPixel stated that they had no indication of a Z7 III, which I'm sure they asked Nikon when testing the Z6 III. They stated every Z6 release was accomplanied by the Z7, except now, which gives them doubt of a Z7 III. I believe there is room for it, in both specs and pricing. It can have a 60mp BSI sensor aimed at studio, landscape, product photography with 4K 10-Bit internal (line skipped) would suffice at $3099. It'll be $800 cheaper than a Z8 and wouldn't be appealing to those who want video so it wouldn't take Z6 III sales.