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p.1 #1 · Lightroom Classic: Macbook Pro vs Air?


I'm thinking about getting one of the M* chip Macbook to replace my Windows laptop, since Lightroom performs so poorly on it, and the laptop is getting a bit long in the tooth.

I have a Theadripper Pro/Nvidia 4070 workstation at the house, which I'll use to do my edits on when I'm at home, but I want a laptop with good battery life to serve as my daily driver (for "office" stuff in addition to photo editing).

I don't need super fast Lightroom AI functions, since I can do those at home on my Windows workstation if I have a lot of them to do, but I do want good performance for importing, culling, exporting etc.

Since I'll use it for travel, the lighter the better. I'm leaning towards the 13"/14" versions.

Is it worthwhile to get the Macbook Pro for this? Or would the Air be a better option?

From what I can tell, there's not a whole to differentiates the Pro from the Air other than the differences in form factor (screen sizes) and the Pro has an SD card and headphone jack (neither of which I need).



Jun 07, 2024 at 01:52 PM
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p.1 #2 · Lightroom Classic: Macbook Pro vs Air?


I'd take a look at this video by Art Is Right. Keep going to 11:30 and on to get the full tests on 20 or so configurations. There are too many available from Apple to check everything and his choice of MBA configs (base I think) is not great as Ram is pretty low, but there are some base MBP configs as well to compare. For your interests he compared Preview and Export, and even ignoring the Studio results the 10 mins vs 30 mins suggest a MBP with a Max chip if that delta is important.





Jun 08, 2024 at 06:57 AM
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p.1 #3 · Lightroom Classic: Macbook Pro vs Air?


Pro does offers more speed but this is my experience. I have a 2019 iMac intel 500GB SSD with 64GB RAM, 8GB VRAM. I also have a 2020 Macbook Air M1 250GB SSD with 16GB RAM which I use for travel.

M chips no longer offer separate RAM and VRAM as it's now unified memory. I used to say my Air was faster than my iMac at everything except for Adobe Denoise AI. iMac took 33 seconds while the Air took 115.

With LrC v13.3 Adobe fixed the M chip neural engine bug so Denoise AI now takes 25 seconds.

LrC ran fine before v13.3. I did all types of edits multiple edits including masks and no hiccups. Don't know what your budget is but I see you can get 13 and 15" Airs with M3 chips. They both offer 24GB RAM which I would likely get but 16GB would be OK. LrC would handle that with no issues.

Adobe Lightroom specs = 12 GB of RAM (recommended); At least 4 GB of RAM, more if you use Photoshop at the same time

I save my money on storage as I keep all my files on external spinner drives. Both my iMac or Air are not even half full. Adobe recommends 20% of free hard drive space. Unofficial rule of thumb is 100GB.






Jun 08, 2024 at 09:44 AM
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p.1 #4 · Lightroom Classic: Macbook Pro vs Air?


Just to add about the external spinners. I keep my Previews around forever. They take up a bit of space on the SSD but I can open older files quickly.


Jun 08, 2024 at 09:45 AM
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p.1 #5 · Lightroom Classic: Macbook Pro vs Air?


I know of one person who was getting 8 seconds using Adobe Denoise AI before v13.3. He has a decked out Mac Studio with 64GB RAM. Not sure which M chip version. He won't see a big gain like I did or others with less powerful systems. For me anything around 30 seconds works. Less is always better. 115 was a tad long. Both Topaz Photo AI and DXO PureRaw were over 40 seconds.

I hope Adobe can find a way around needing to create a DNG some day as Eric Chan posted in his blog when it was first released.



Jun 08, 2024 at 11:56 AM
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p.1 #6 · Lightroom Classic: Macbook Pro vs Air?


If you are doing just the odd photo, the Air is perfect (assuming that you are having to carry your laptop with you).

If you are doing a lot of editing then the responsiveness of the Pro machines makes editing much less tiriing.



Jun 08, 2024 at 03:42 PM
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p.1 #7 · Lightroom Classic: Macbook Pro vs Air?


I appreciate everybody's input.

From what I can ascertain, the performance scales pretty linearly as you move up the product line (the few bugs that impact a specific configuration notwithstanding).



Jun 08, 2024 at 03:55 PM
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p.1 #8 · Lightroom Classic: Macbook Pro vs Air?




Goodrich wrote:
If you are doing just the odd photo, the Air is perfect (assuming that you are having to carry your laptop with you).

If you are doing a lot of editing then the responsiveness of the Pro machines makes editing much less tiriing.


Very good points. Hobby vs earning to define it but it overlaps. If I was earning it would be part of the business plan and a write off so I would spend more but that is just me.



Jun 08, 2024 at 07:58 PM
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p.1 #9 · Lightroom Classic: Macbook Pro vs Air?


I'm even able to run DaVInci Resolve smoothly on my M2 MacBook Air; I don't use Lightroom anymore but I do use Capture One and ON1 and edit thousands of photos annually on this machine; it's very responsive. I'm not a big denoiser, nor do I do much batch processing, but I do denoise occasionally and haven't noticed any speed issues. Denoising video is another story; rendering times can be pretty long when noise reduction is applied on every clip but I'm perfectly happy with the MacBook Air for photography. I have some big video projects coming up and will likely upgrade to a Studio at that point; waiting to see when the M3 Studio models come out.

My MacBook Air replaced an Intel Mac Pro desktop with dual GPUs and 32 gigs of RAM; my Air has 24 gigs of RAM. The Air pretty much runs rings around the Intel Mac Pro desktop.



Jun 09, 2024 at 04:18 PM
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p.1 #10 · Lightroom Classic: Macbook Pro vs Air?


The Macbook Air is a great machine, and with sufficient RAM, it is enough for LR use that isn't too heavy. Its also considerably lighter and thinner than the Pro, which may be another plus for travel.

There is one other difference between the Air and Pro that most don't comment on: the screen. The Macbook Pro has an excellent HDR capable screen. The Air has a normal SDR display.

This is not that important right now for photo processing. However, I've been playing around with LR's new HDR editing. This is not the old grungy tonal compression, but rather the ability of an HDR display to show a very wide brightness range. It can be really amazing to see a high contrast image come to life because the highlights are not being suppressed.

Its very early days for this, and there aren't all that many apps that can even display HDR images. Down the line though this may become a more popular way to display some images. The Macbook Pro can edit these images, while the Air can't. At least, not without an external HDR capable monitor

-Will



Jun 09, 2024 at 06:19 PM
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p.1 #11 · Lightroom Classic: Macbook Pro vs Air?


I would buy the best Pro you can afford if you plan to do a decent amount of editing. My 16gb M1 MBP is still a workhorse for Lightroom Classic.


Jun 09, 2024 at 08:02 PM
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p.1 #12 · Lightroom Classic: Macbook Pro vs Air?


For the OP or anyone else looking at a MBA I saw a link on the Verge saying that Apple is now offering refurbed M3 MBA laptops.

https://www.apple.com/shop/refurbished/mac/2024-macbook-air

And refurbed M3 MBP's have been around for a while
https://www.apple.com/shop/refurbished/mac/2023-macbook-pro



Jun 10, 2024 at 07:02 AM
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p.1 #13 · Lightroom Classic: Macbook Pro vs Air?


+1 for the MacBook Air.

I have an MBA 2023, 15" screen, M2, 8Gb RAM, 512Gb SSD. I run LrC with little or no issues, no annoy delays or "spinning beach ball" effects. The UI does not lag or stutter. Exports are swift. All in all a pleasant responsive experience. All quite subjective for sure, and everybody's tolerance level is different WRT UI "performance".

I said it before, and I'll say it again--you've got to try it for yourself, and your use case, to know. Most retailers have a 15 or 30 day return policy. And if you're a COSTCO member, they have a 90 day return policy (as well as some other usful perks, see here: https://www.costco.com/computers.html)

Buy one, try it, see if it works for you.

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Rod


P.S. I should add I don't use an external monitor. So that many be a issue check carefully.



Jun 10, 2024 at 01:19 PM
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p.1 #14 · Lightroom Classic: Macbook Pro vs Air?


Minimum is 13" Air with 512 GB and 16GB or RAM. If you have a student in the house, you can get it via Apple Education Store and save $100 at least.

Preferable solution: Get a MacBook Pro and spec it out w min 1TB disk, +32GB or RAM, 14" is best for travel, 16" is a true desktop replacement machine that can drive multiple external monitors (well, so can the 14...)



Jun 11, 2024 at 01:07 PM
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p.1 #15 · Lightroom Classic: Macbook Pro vs Air?


The MBA is basically the same processing capability as a maxed out iPad or iPhone. Decent enough, but ... since Apple products are not upgradeable, per se, go with the MBP.

After having the MBP M1, and getting the MBA ... I returned the MBA and got the MBP M2. Make no mistake, the difference is noticeable, in performance. BUT, the real thing that made me return the MBA (I totally dig the 15" size, btw) was the display. Once you've experienced the display on the MBP, the MBA is a let down.

As mentioned ... the return policy is something you can harness. I returned two MBP's (M1 14 & 16, 64GB and 32GB) and the MBA (15), before deciding on the MBP M2 16 inch. No problems with any of the returns. The store simply told me, "that's why we do it" (so you can decide).

+1 with others minimum, MBP 32GB, 1TB. More if your budget allows.



Jun 11, 2024 at 11:18 PM
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p.1 #16 · Lightroom Classic: Macbook Pro vs Air?


RustyBug wrote:
The MBA is basically the same processing capability as a maxed out iPad or iPhone. Decent enough, but ... since Apple products are not upgradeable, per se, go with the MBP.



How do you figure? Are not all M* chips the same across the product line? I thought an M1 was an M1, and the only thing that changed as you went up the product line was the RAM and storage (and some ports and other things in the Pro models).






Jun 12, 2024 at 05:11 PM
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p.1 #17 · Lightroom Classic: Macbook Pro vs Air?


oguruma wrote:
How do you figure? Are not all M* chips the same across the product line? I thought an M1 was an M1, and the only thing that changed as you went up the product line was the RAM and storage (and some ports and other things in the Pro models).



No that is not correct. Within each M* generation there are multiple variants. For laptops, these are M3, M3Pro and M3Max, or the equivalent for other generations. The biggest difference between them is the number and mix of CPU performance and efficiency cores and GPUs. The MBA has the lower spec M3, the Macbook Pros have either the M3Pro or M3Max.

-Will



Jun 12, 2024 at 06:04 PM
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p.1 #18 · Lightroom Classic: Macbook Pro vs Air?


oguruma wrote:
From what I can tell, there's not a whole to differentiates the Pro from the Air other than the differences in form factor (screen sizes) and the Pro has an SD card and headphone jack (neither of which I need).





Jun 12, 2024 at 08:22 PM
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p.1 #19 · Lightroom Classic: Macbook Pro vs Air?


oguruma wrote:
How do you figure? Are not all M* chips the same across the product line? I thought an M1 was an M1, and the only thing that changed as you went up the product line was the RAM and storage (and some ports and other things in the Pro models).



Like Will said, that is not correct, as it pertains to the CPU / GPU configuration.

Basically (although, not perfectly correct), the M series is Modular.

The basic M (i.e. base unit, which is also in the Air) contains one (GPU) module, the Pro series is two modules, the Max is four modules, the Ultra is 8 modules. Notice the jump from 7/8 > 14/16 > 24/32 > 48/64 as listed in Wiki.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_M1

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_M3

Another thing that isn't well advertised is that the memory bandwidth doubles with each variant, going from M > Pro > Max. That is also a byproduct of the increase in number of modules. NOTE: Even if you don't "max out the amount of memory storage, you still get the benefit of increased memory bandwidth.


Scroll down to the picture of the Pro / Max comparison. Notice how the Max is "double" that of the Pro. And, while the Base unit is not shown, it is 1/2 of the Pro. (i.e. modular at 1 unit > 2 units > 4 units).
https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/10/introducing-m1-pro-and-m1-max-the-most-powerful-chips-apple-has-ever-built/


For someone looking for that bang / buck, 32GB in the Max is nice. The few extra $$$ for the module increase (without the extra $$$ for the max RAM of 64GB is worth it for the memory bandwidth increase. The same principle can be applied to the difference between the Base Unit vs. the Pro. But, I'd still want 32GB in the Pro.

For me, I purchased (and returned) multiple variants ... which included the difference between 64GB and 32GB in terms of MY WORKFLOW (YMMV). During my comparisons, I found that the 64GB wasn't something that made a huge difference.

HOWEVER, when I got the MBA ... oh, yeah ... the slowdown was indeed noticeable compared to the Pro / Max configurations, either 32GB or 64GB. Even though the MBA had 24GB (iirc), the memory BANDWIDTH was reduced to the base unit speed. A bit of a difference between transferring data internally at 100x/s vs. 200x/s vs. 400x/s.

I did enjoy the form factor of the 15" MBA ... and could have considered one, tolerating the slower processing hit. But, the difference in visual quality of the display was the deal breaker for me, as the laptop is my main / only rig and I do not use an external monitor (i.e. literally, on my lap).


My point was that (at the time, I'm not current with the M3 variant), an iPhone uses a single module. An iPad uses a single module. And, the base unit and MBA use a single module. The form factor of the display, size is different, but they all use a single module of processing chip.

When you move to the Pro / Max / Ultra ... you get 2X / 4X / 8X modules wrt processing as noted by the number of GPU cores.


So no, they are not "all the same". Well, I guess they are ... there's just MORE of the same in them, as you move up the variant models.

Kinda like going from a 4 cylinder to a 6 cylinder, to an 8 cylinder, where the stroke and bore of the block is the same for each cylinder ... yet, there are more cylinders. Chevy's 4.3L lopped off a couple cylinders from the V8, so it was the same pistons, but fewer of them. Other mfr's use modularity to different degree.

Not a perfect analogy, but the point is that Modular engineering is indeed rooted in things being "the same" ... but, it allows for MORE of that "same" in different models / variants.

M / Pro / Max / Ultra ... each variant has "more" of the "same".

HTH





Jun 13, 2024 at 05:47 AM
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Apple loves consumers like oguruma


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