p.4 #1 · Ai and Photoshop's Generative Fill (a discussion please)
Ai is a very valuable tool for business. It is saving them a great deal of money and improving productivity by huge amounts. Like so many other advancements in so many industries people in the industry can either get on board, leverage the technology, or be left behind. This includes content creators and photographers. Progress as always is a good thing for those who take advantage of it.
Here is an interesting article on the advantages and power AI offers in the photographic World. Yes a bunch of photographers lost their jobs. But, I am thinking that those that embraced AI, became strong force multipliers of its value are probably still working there, and may even being paid more because they are more productive and worth more.
p.4 #2 · Ai and Photoshop's Generative Fill (a discussion please)
Yeah, ummm...neither of the two people above actually work in the higher end photography field, so I would not place too much stock in what they are saying.
What AI is going to do to a lot of digital photography is make it worthless unless a couple of factors are met. One is that the person is already very well established and has a stellar reputation for showing real works. Two is that the type of work they do have clients who will never-ever take the risk of buying and therefore using AI to "spice up" images.
My three biggest client types want my work for what I deliver in reality, in camera, in the real world. One example is the 5 figure commission for an aerial panoramic I am to do this week while there is still snow up high.
But the the galleries I work with, they simply do not want the AI garbage, at all and neither do the high net worth individuals who live in my town or the interior designers and architects who buy fine art for projects.
So once again, in addition to several strategies in that I simply do not have to settle for the "Adapt or Die" messaging by the hobby types on here, I am also very well positioned to improve my revenue stream by making real fine art prints in a real darkroom that command real money from real people.
p.4 #3 · Ai and Photoshop's Generative Fill (a discussion please)
Ai_Print wrote:
Yeah, ummm...neither of the two people above actually work in the higher end photography field, so I would not place too much stock in what they are saying.
What AI is going to do to a lot of digital photography is make it worthless unless a couple of factors are met. One is that the person is already very well established and has a stellar reputation for showing real works. Two is that the type of work they do have clients who will never-ever take the risk of buying and therefore using AI to "spice up" images.
My three biggest client types want my work for what I delver in reality, in camera, in the real world. One example is the 5 figure commission for an aerial panoramic I am to do this week while there is still snow up high.
But the the galleries I work with, they simply do not want the AI garbage, at all and neither do the high net worth individuals who live in my town or the interior designers and architects who buy fine art for projects.
So once again, in addition to several strategies in that I simply do not have to settle for the "Adapt or Die" messaging by the hobby types on here, I am also very well positioned to improve my revenue stream by making real fine art prints in a real darkroom that command real money from real people. ...Show more →
Make your money while you can There is always money to be made off the upper crust, and if you're good at what you do, it's easy.
That goes for everyone in a position to lose income to some level of AI (that's most of you).
p.4 #4 · Ai and Photoshop's Generative Fill (a discussion please)
There are two sides to the issue. Only one side is the photographer, the other side is the business that need content side. I have extensive experience on that side including purchasing millions of dollars of photographic services over the years. So actually you don't have to make your living as a photographer to recognize the opportunities. I look at from the side of business owner that needs this kind of content. If I can pay one person to spend the day using AI to generate what I need instead of paying for a full shoot with all the people planning and equipment required, and at a much lower cost I am happy. Need some content for a beach orientated cosmetic product? Just have it generated and edited to suit the need. It can be done and sent out to consumers the next day instead of next Month. I won't be hiring the photographer who can't do that anymore when there is a better way available. Simple really.
Art is a different thing. There will always be plenty of people who buy things that please them no matter how it was created. The images I see in major photographic galleries such a Peter Lik do tons of compositing, editing a fakery to create their highly successful art pieces. Some selling for millions of dollars. You can pick your place in the market and probably succeed. But customers will also pick their standards. More and more in business type work that is rate of return based the AI vendors will win the job. If you insist on pure photography you will lose that business. But, as you point out there will always be markets for individuals to carve out a place and make a nice living.
My Wife and I run different businesses. She in the beauty and fashion industry as a leader of some of the largest such brands in the World. Huge consumer of photography in the past that every year relies on other digital means of creating content these days. Me in a variety of businesses that often relied on photography in the past, but rarely these days. Both used to frequently pay for large photo shoots. Very rare these days. Between CGI, AI, digital artists, we get better results much cheaper, faster, with higher impact. From our perspective that is a very good thing. Adapt or lose the business. It really is that simple.
p.4 #5 · Ai and Photoshop's Generative Fill (a discussion please)
Ai_Print wrote:
Yeah, ummm...neither of the two people above actually work in the higher end photography field, so I would not place too much stock in what they are saying.
What AI is going to do to a lot of digital photography is make it worthless unless a couple of factors are met. One is that the person is already very well established and has a stellar reputation for showing real works. Two is that the type of work they do have clients who will never-ever take the risk of buying and therefore using AI to "spice up" images.
My three biggest client types want my work for what I deliver in reality, in camera, in the real world. One example is the 5 figure commission for an aerial panoramic I am to do this week while there is still snow up high.
But the the galleries I work with, they simply do not want the AI garbage, at all and neither do the high net worth individuals who live in my town or the interior designers and architects who buy fine art for projects.
So once again, in addition to several strategies in that I simply do not have to settle for the "Adapt or Die" messaging by the hobby types on here, I am also very well positioned to improve my revenue stream by making real fine art prints in a real darkroom that command real money from real people. ...Show more →
I know in my heart that everything you said will come to pass. Just stick to your guns. No compromise. Keep on keepn' on.
p.4 #6 · Ai and Photoshop's Generative Fill (a discussion please)
Ai_Print wrote:
Yeah, ummm...neither of the two people above actually work in the higher end photography field, so I would not place too much stock in what they are saying.
What AI is going to do to a lot of digital photography is make it worthless unless a couple of factors are met. One is that the person is already very well established and has a stellar reputation for showing real works. Two is that the type of work they do have clients who will never-ever take the risk of buying and therefore using AI to "spice up" images.
My three biggest client types want my work for what I deliver in reality, in camera, in the real world. One example is the 5 figure commission for an aerial panoramic I am to do this week while there is still snow up high.
But the the galleries I work with, they simply do not want the AI garbage, at all and neither do the high net worth individuals who live in my town or the interior designers and architects who buy fine art for projects.
So once again, in addition to several strategies in that I simply do not have to settle for the "Adapt or Die" messaging by the hobby types on here, I am also very well positioned to improve my revenue stream by making real fine art prints in a real darkroom that command real money from real people. ...Show more →
My hat is off to you for maintaining integrity in your work. As AI becomes more pervasive, I expect there will be no shortage of photographers that will whore themselves out to produce low cost content at the low bid. AI will certainly appeal to the businesses that need AI generated content at minimal cost. Personally, I'm not looking forward to that. I hope that AI doesn't change the world of photography to the point that people with artistic integrity become squeezed out in favor of the low bid.
Someone mentioned Peter Lik. There's no doubt that he's very successful, and he creates very stunning images. While I enjoy looking at them, and I could afford to buy his limited edition work, I don't find his work appealing enough to put it in my home.
I hate to be the guy to dis' someone who creates such universally appealing work -- he's certainly a very talented individual who deserves the reputation he has earned, but there's something about the intensity of the colors in his images that gives me eye fatigue. There's just something about my eyes that gets tired of looking at the surrealistic, heavy intensity of his colors. Although I certainly have respect for his creativity and his processing skills, I guess I'm just more of a photo-realism curmudgeon than most people. I prefer realism to surrealism, and the prospect of AI-based photography progressing to favor cheaper/faster with higher impact just doesn't appeal to me.
Now for Ebay it probable doesn't impact photographers that much, since how many sellers are paying for professional photos. But it definitely shows how some types of product photos will probably become a thing of the past.
p.4 #8 · Ai and Photoshop's Generative Fill (a discussion please)
Ai_Print wrote:
Yeah, ummm...neither of the two people above actually work in the higher end photography field, so I would not place too much stock in what they are saying.
What AI is going to do to a lot of digital photography is make it worthless unless a couple of factors are met. One is that the person is already very well established and has a stellar reputation for showing real works. Two is that the type of work they do have clients who will never-ever take the risk of buying and therefore using AI to "spice up" images.
My three biggest client types want my work for what I deliver in reality, in camera, in the real world. One example is the 5 figure commission for an aerial panoramic I am to do this week while there is still snow up high.
But the the galleries I work with, they simply do not want the AI garbage, at all and neither do the high net worth individuals who live in my town or the interior designers and architects who buy fine art for projects.
So once again, in addition to several strategies in that I simply do not have to settle for the "Adapt or Die" messaging by the hobby types on here, I am also very well positioned to improve my revenue stream by making real fine art prints in a real darkroom that command real money from real people. ...Show more →
Well said, completely agree. 2023-2024 has been some of my best years in both commercial and fine art work. People still value photos of themselves, and real photos of real things. Was recently shortlisted in Communication Arts and won 1st in photography at one of the longest running arts festivals in Washington, and they all ban AI images.
p.4 #9 · Ai and Photoshop's Generative Fill (a discussion please)
Nothing new here. For 20 years people have added subjects to a scene or eliminated backgrounds or changed the tonality or made other changes to a digital image file. With analog photography this was also being done more than 120 years ago with one image of a cloudy sky superimposed over another image of a landscape.
All of photography entails manipulation of three dimensional reality to create a two dimensional image.
p.4 #10 · Ai and Photoshop's Generative Fill (a discussion please)
I don't use AI in my photo editing and never will. Nor do I want to view other images generated by AI.
However, AI is a lot more than faster manipulation that could have been done before. It's a democratization of technology that is just one part of a larger whole: the next step of removing honesty from human communication for the purpose of making human beings uniform and less reliant on each other. The entirety of AI with "photo" generation as just one aspect of it is a technology that is the apex of merging human beings as subservient entities within a technological mass that puts the needs of biological entities second to the technological whole.
For those that say we can't fight AI: I believe that to be wrong. Technology makes society more fragile in ways that are not immediately apparent. For example, all the world depends on microchips and networks, that could easily fall under the right circumstances.
p.4 #11 · Ai and Photoshop's Generative Fill (a discussion please)
There are two sides to the issue. Only one side is the photographer, the other side is the business that need content side. I have extensive experience on that side including purchasing millions of dollars of photographic services over the years. So actually you don't have to make your living as a photographer to recognize the opportunities. I look at from the side of business owner that needs this kind of content. If I can pay one person to spend the day using AI to generate what I need instead of paying for a full shoot with all the people planning and equipment required, and at a much lower cost I am happy. Need some content for a beach orientated cosmetic product? Just have it generated and edited to suit the need. It can be done and sent out to consumers the next day instead of next Month. I won't be hiring the photographer who can't do that anymore when there is a better way available. Simple really....Show more →
I stumbled across this site while googling for something totally unrelated. It appears to be a "news" site that uses nothing other than what appears to be low-cost AI-generated content to accompany it's headlines. If this is the future of "content" and "news reporting", we're doomed.
TBH I don't know that these images are AI generated, or of they are just cartoons that someone created to be associated with "news" items, but they do look like AI-generated imag ehttps://absolutenews.com/s that I've seen. Either way, I think that the use of artistic "content" in conjunction with "news" constitutes a major failure of credibility when it comes to news reporting. I don't like fakery and news to be combined by content creators who are desperate to create content at low cost. This kind of "cartoon news" is very troubling, and it's only made worse by everyone who is willing to provide created "content" to accompany news reporting.
There is always money to be made off the upper crust, and if you're good at what you do, it's easy.