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p.1 #1 · Canon - not much of interest ?

I am trying to sell my new-open box Canon RF 70-200mm f/4 L IS for last 6 months for 25 % off of retail price in one latin american countries I am currently in, and i don't even receive questions about my offer.

Does a new and younger generation of photographers are more into Sony ( I guess ) or Nikon
I see this massive shift in big stores offer where you will mostly find Sony and Nikon

Does Canon priced out themself in some countries. Or this lens is just not a good choice for many people

Mar 17, 2024 at 04:40 PM

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p.1 #2 · Canon - not much of interest ?

It's a good lens but it could be that Canon is not well represented or supported in your areas. Canon claims they're the #1 interchangeable lens camera manufacturer by market share, FWIW.

Mar 17, 2024 at 05:15 PM

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p.1 #3 · Canon - not much of interest ?

It's a very good lens but there are a million used ones in great condition on the market, at least in the US. That keeps the price down.

Mar 17, 2024 at 05:27 PM

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p.1 #4 · Canon - not much of interest ?

Mike_5D wrote:
It's a very good lens but there are a million used ones in great condition on the market, at least in the US. That keeps the price down.

Are you talking about RF Lens ?

If so if is so great why so many for sale... I have it because I was planing to et Canon R ( ?) body but I changed my mind
If I don't sell it for fair amount I will buy Canon camera one day

Mar 17, 2024 at 05:37 PM

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p.1 #5 · Canon - not much of interest ?

PIOK wrote:
I am trying to sell my new-open box Canon RF 70-200mm f/4 L IS for last 6 months for 25 % off of retail price in one latin american countries I am currently in, and i don't even receive questions about my offer.

Does a new and younger generation of photographers are more into Sony ( I guess ) or Nikon
I see this massive shift in big stores offer where you will mostly find Sony and Nikon

Does Canon priced out themself in some countries. Or this lens is just not a good choice for many people

I don't think generation or age has anything to do with your lack of buyers. Most of the demand is for the RF 70-200 2.8L, not the F4 variant, and the F2.8 version holds value well when sold used. With that said, your price is too high for the relatively small market for this lens. Canon shooters tend to buy top of the line or budget models. The middle models don't sell as well.

I'm the exception and love the middle of the road F4 L optics. In fact, I own that very lens and love it: petite, sharp and fast focusing. I bought it with full warranty last year for for $889 USD during a refurb sale at Canon Direct. Honestly, with a mere a 25% discount off of the new price, I'd much rather buy a refurb from Canon Direct or a new one from an authorized dealer with full warranty, return/exchange possible and credit card points and protection from scams.

Mar 17, 2024 at 07:02 PM

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p.1 #6 · Canon - not much of interest ?

PIOK wrote:
Are you talking about RF Lens ?

If so if is so great why so many for sale... I have it because I was planing to et Canon R ( ?) body but I changed my mind
If I don't sell it for fair amount I will buy Canon camera one day

Sorry, I read your post too quickly and thought it was the EF version. But I agree with the post above that a 25% discount is likel not enough to convince people to take a chance on it. I've seen this before where people paid full retail price and are asking nearly what the same lens can be found via discounters.

Mar 18, 2024 at 12:33 AM

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Mar 18, 2024 at 04:45 AM

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Mar 18, 2024 at 08:46 AM

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p.1 #9 · Canon - not much of interest ?

wind30 makes a good point about retail prices... if the price for a new copy is currently lower than what you paid, then used copies will potentially sell for less (depending of course on supply).
If you want to understand the lack of response, think like a buyer. Research recent sales of the lens by private parties to see if your asking price is in line with reality.

Mar 18, 2024 at 12:52 PM

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p.1 #10 · Canon - not much of interest ?

PIOK wrote:
I am trying to sell my new-open box Canon RF 70-200mm f/4 L IS for last 6 months for 25 % off of retail price in one latin american countries I am currently in, and i don't even receive questions about my offer.

Does a new and younger generation of photographers are more into Sony ( I guess ) or Nikon
I see this massive shift in big stores offer where you will mostly find Sony and Nikon

Does Canon priced out themself in some countries. Or this lens is just not a good choice for many people

It most likely is not that most other people in this latin american country are necessarily shooting with Sony or Nikon, but most likely is it the lens being a RF mount.

I just recently moved back to the USA after living in Peru for 10 years. I met and worked with a lot of professional local photographer there. In Peru Canon was by far the most popular brand in the country, but by a HUGE majority, the locals are all still using DSLR's with EF mount. I was one of the very very few in Lima with an R body.

Mar 18, 2024 at 10:12 PM

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DustinLevine wrote:
In Peru Canon was by far the most popular brand in the country, but by a HUGE majority, the locals are all still using DSLR's with EF mount. I was one of the very very few in Lima with an R body.

Is it just an economic issue? Lower incomes = less people around to spend crazy money on RF gear when EF gear is still extremely capable. Even though I love my R6, it was definitely a *want* more than a *need* compared to my 5D3.

Mar 18, 2024 at 10:45 PM

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p.1 #12 · Canon - not much of interest ?

PIOK wrote:
Are you talking about RF Lens ?

If so if is so great why so many for sale... I have it because I was planing to et Canon R ( ?) body but I changed my mind
If I don't sell it for fair amount I will buy Canon camera one day

I have this lens and enjoy it, no regrets not getting the 2.8 version, but it's also not a primary lens for me as a wildlife shooter and I'm not usually in the position where I have to worry about getting perfect bokeh. I can see where someone would buy the f4 for its much lower price but then decide they actually did need the 2.8. And that can be a reason why many are available -- people upgrade. They also switch systems. They have GAS then realize later it's not even a focal range they need so they sell to buy something else. Many good reasons why people sell and they may have nothing to do with the abilities of the lens itself.

I don't know the S. American market but personally, while I do love a bargain like everyone else, I'm very picky about buying gear to the point I will pay a premium buying from a known used reseller vs individual, where I usually have no recourse. But also, at least here in the U.S., Canon itself has had some great sales on both new and refurb lenses so depreciates used lenses too. So I'm sure there are many other buyers like me that don't really consider individual sales unless the item is really rare or really inexpensive.

I would suggest trying one of the known used resellers like MPB or KEH. Usually I sell my used gear to MBP. The offer price may seem "low ball" but consider they have to make a profit and have considerable overhead. I've done the math before and my "in the bank" dollars are pretty much the same as if I sold it on eBay with all the fees selling that way and none of the hassle.

Mar 19, 2024 at 06:51 AM

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p.1 #13 · Canon - not much of interest ?

25% off is not enough IMO for a lens with no guarantee. It is an excellent lens. Selling secondhand is not necessarily easy. I could buy this lens with at least that much off from one of the respected s/h dealers here (KEH, MBP, Roberts) and it would come with a 3-month guarantee.

Mar 19, 2024 at 08:50 AM

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p.1 #14 · Canon - not much of interest ?

So where are you trying to sell it, here on FM? If not and you are not getting a lot of response, you might want to evaluate if you are picking the right place to sell camera equipment. I also agree that a 25% discount off what you paid might not be enough. Canon sells refurbished versions of that lens (with a full warranty) for anywhere from 15-30% off, so you are also competing with the refurb market. Also if you have been attempting to sell it for the last six months, it is not really new in box any more.

One thing that harms a lot of sellers here on FM and elsewhere are a lack of pictures of the for sale item, low quality (blurry, lores, under/over exposed, shot with an iPhone), or pictures that show the lens covered in dust, cat hair, etc. sitting on someone's dirty carpet. You want to use pictures that will make someone want the lens.

Not saying that you are doing any of these things, or don't have great photos of the lens on your ad, since I have not seen your listing, and searched on FM and not seeing it here, but just things to consider. I hope you are able to find a buyer!

Mar 19, 2024 at 10:13 AM

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fgphoto wrote:
One thing that harms a lot of sellers here on FM and elsewhere are a lack of pictures of the for sale item, low quality (blurry, lores, under/over exposed, shot with an iPhone), or pictures that show the lens covered in dust, cat hair, etc. sitting on someone's dirty carpet. You want to use pictures that will make someone want the lens.

Agree so much with this. Such a turn-off. I don't know how many times I see crappy photos or items covered in dirt and dust.

And these are from "photographers"

Mar 19, 2024 at 10:18 AM

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Mike_5D wrote:
Is it just an economic issue? Lower incomes = less people around to spend crazy money on RF gear when EF gear is still extremely capable. Even though I love my R6, it was definitely a *want* more than a *need* compared to my 5D3.

There is definitely an economic reason behind it, but I always tell people, your living lifestyle in Lima Peru really doesn't change. While all jobs pay less than they would in the USA, it is all equal in the end in my opinion. Because cost of living is also cheaper. So while your salary pays you less money, ALL your bills are also cheaper. Your rent, food, electric, water, etc. all cost less! So I felt it was always the same to me. Here I can make more money for sure, but everything costs me more here........except electronics! Those are cheaper in the USA.

Imported electronics are extremely expensive in Peru! It is both sales tax and imported tax the government charges corporations. I don't know the exact % Peru charges canon for importing there equipment to the official Canon Peru HQ. But on top of that, sales tax is 18% for the consumer when you buy something!!!

So photographers do look at camera gear as what do I NEED, not what do I WANT. If they can buy a used 5D Mark 4 for say $1,000, and brand new Canon R5 at the local store is $5,000+, and you have the lower income and salary on top of that, the decision is easy.

Over my 10 years living there, I came back to the USA once a year on my 2 week vacation to visit my family here. Each time I left Peru, I sold ALL of my cameras and lenses before I left. They were used for a year, and I sold them for more than I paid for them brand new. Then while I was here, I replaced everything with new again, and pocketed the extra cash. I did this over and over, year after year.

So the average photographer there, professionals and hobbyists, are both mostly shooting with 5D's, 6D's etc.......trying to sell a RF lens has a limited audience.

On a side note about the price disparity, about 5 years ago or so my Macbook broke while in Peru. I went to the Official Apple store in Lima to replace it, and it was over double the price. I checked B&H online while I was there, and it was literally half the cost. I could have bought 2 Macbooks at B&H for the price of 1 in Lima.

Mar 19, 2024 at 08:19 PM

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p.1 #17 · Canon - not much of interest ?

Exactly the reason why I never buy anything new. Let someone else take the hit with depreciation, then pick up a hardly used mint boxed used model, often formerly a impulse buy which leads later to buyers remorse, so buyer sells on often at big losses.

Last year bought the G2 Tamron 70-200/2.8 again 6mths old totally as new boxed for �300 it�s listed on Amazon for �1400 etc etc

The �as new� hardly used boxed mint bargains I�ve accumulated over the years for literally peanuts is eye opening.
Hence I never buy new. The depreciation is insane.
And now with canons crazy new pricing for its mirrorless line (Nikon too) I doubt I�ll ever buy new again. Yes, it takes a huge amount of patience and time to keep checking online auction sites but up to now I�ve always AKWAYS eventually found what I wanted at a realistic price I was happy to pay. I think I enjoy the hunt more tbh

I�m not alone, most buyers now are way too savvy to pay �through the nose� hence why the high street is a dead duck. It�s only the small minority that have to have the latest at whatever the cost often purchased purely for bragging rights that are hit the hardest, that�s fine by me, I�ll sit by patiently and snatch it up once the novelty has worn off.

Mar 23, 2024 at 01:55 AM

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DustinLevine wrote:
There is definitely an economic reason behind it, but I always tell people, your living lifestyle in Lima Peru really doesn't change. While all jobs pay less than they would in the USA, it is all equal in the end in my opinion. Because cost of living is also cheaper. So while your salary pays you less money, ALL your bills are also cheaper. Your rent, food, electric, water, etc. all cost less! So I felt it was always the same to me. Here I can make more money for sure, but everything costs me more here........except electronics! Those are...Show more →

You would know better having lived there 10 years but could a more accurate description be that anything imported costs a lot more in Peru, in respect to the average person's purchasing power, because incomes are not as high as those in the markets where the imports originate, such as the US, Western Europe, Japan and similar? Plus the steep Peruvian import taxes/duties, etc. compound the matter. Or is it really more so just electronics? What about cars? I did a quick Google Streetview tour of a few streets in Lima and it was surprisingly a majority of relatively new looking cars, but mostly 4-cylinder sedans, hatches and CUVs from Korea, Japan, China, the US and a few Germans too (VW but not Audi, BMW, Mercedes).

If you could buy the MBP in Peru at the same price as in the US, it would seem the purchasing power of the average Peruvian would be lower than Americans, meaning it would take longer to save for the purchase.

Mar 25, 2024 at 12:38 AM

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p.1 #19 · Canon - not much of interest ?

A few months seems like a long time, but sometimes timing is everything. I've listed a few things here and they've gone nowhere fast. Then I'll pull the listing, and the next similar item that gets posted sells right away!

Try multiple places to list it as well, if more than one is available in your area.

Mar 25, 2024 at 08:37 PM


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