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We must live in different realities As fas as I know the new 70-200/4 G2 has been taken very positively, a welcome step up from the older slightly large and optically mediocre older version. And the positive vibes seem to be repeated with 16-35 G, 20-70 G... ...and now the 24-50 G. These are all the kind of zooms that appeal wide audience, sell well, and are commercially important to Sony. Deffinately not niche!

I can see Sony doing an important renew project across the whole range of G zooms. 24-50 G is a bit of a strange addition to the range, but small size more narrow range zooms like 28-60mm seem to be gaining popularity, so why not 24-50mm. Wider is better. Personally I also appreciate f/2.8 max aperture for occasional portraits.

adcimagery wrote:
Wow, the reviews coming out are really not doing this lens any favors. Kind of feels like the 70-200 f/4 announcement - a swing and a miss at a niche, and an expensive one at that.





Mar 02, 2024 at 04:22 AM
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Complaints about this lens have big "I want a 12-200mm f1.4 APO Macro zoom that weighs 300g" energy. Look at this gallery from Mark Galer with full size jpegs. Admittedly, 33mpx vs 61, but we have good enough central resolution throughout the range to get strong iris patterning, clearly discernible skin textures, and delineated eyelashes. CA is well controlled if not APO, and corner resolution is weaker... but that seems to be the extent of the flaws. There doesn't seem to be large sample variation on the long end like we see in the Tamron 20-40 or 28-75 G2, and even good copies of the 20-40 didn't seem to be as good past 28mm as the 24-50 is at the most extreme end of its telephoto range.

If you want the absolute best in optics, get the GM II. But if we're factoring in price and weight the 24-50 G might be the best low profile street and event zoom ever made... competing for me only with the 20-70 G.



Mar 02, 2024 at 06:28 AM
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I view these as lenses that are beaten by the alternatives. The 70-200 f/4 is weaker optically than the f/2.8, while not being that much lighter. If you want way lighter or are fine with around an f/4 aperture, you go to a 70-300 for way less money and weight. Or get the tamron 70-180 for 50% less money and the same weight, while getting an extra stop of aperture. Macro feels like a bit of a gimmick when you could get a true macro lens and either the 70-180 or 70-300 for around the same price.

Just like the 70-200 f/4, the 24-50 doesn’t really do anything “better” than alternatives. It’s not a meaningfully better performer than the 20-70, and certainly not the 24-70 ii. It’s not PZ and internal zooming, so it’s not useful on a gimbal. It’s not significantly smaller or lighter than 20-70 for travel, even before you consider how truncated that range is for a zoom these days.

It’s an OK lens, but it’s giving me the same vibes from Nikon Z’s 7 options for shooting at around 28mm - it’s a lot of R&D, supply chain, and marketing resources just to end up with a less useful 20-70 and not really expand the system’s capabilities. To your point - is a portrait at 50 f/2.8 going to look that different than 65mm f/4 on the 20-70?

tuomkok wrote:
We must live in different realities As fas as I know the new 70-200/4 G2 has been taken very positively, a welcome step up from the older slightly large and optically mediocre older version. And the positive vibes seem to be repeated with 16-35 G, 20-70 G... ...and now the 24-50 G. These are all the kind of zooms that appeal wide audience, sell well, and are commercially important to Sony. Deffinately not niche!

I can see Sony doing an important renew project across the whole range of G zooms. 24-50 G is a bit of a strange addition to
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Mar 02, 2024 at 07:06 AM
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So f/2.8 is considered a plus in the 70-200 range, but doesn't count as a differentiator in the 2x-50/70 range? Honestly, I imagine people who find this lens useful will find it useful, and those that don't won't.

For me, the shorter length of the 70-200/4 macro is a plus and I wouldn't necessarily miss the speed, you probably don't have the same priorities as me, and there isn't a single set of priorities shared by everyone. I would also take it over the 70-300. Some broad strokes of cherry picking quality in one comparison and then seeming to omit it in others. It's not as good as the 70-200 GM II so you might as well get the 70-300? Is the 70-300 as good as the 70-200/4 macro across the shared range?

https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=1387&Camera=1175&Sample=0&FLI=0&API=1&LensComp=1662&CameraComp=1538&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=0&APIComp=0

I'm just happy that Sony provides options, not just ones that are perceived as the majority desires of the masses.

In the end these lenses will sell, or they won't. I don't mind having options.

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I view these as lenses that are beaten by the alternatives. The 70-200 f/4 is weaker optically than the f/2.8, while not being that much lighter. If you want way lighter or are fine with around an f/4 aperture, you go to a 70-300 for way less money and weight. Or get the tamron 70-180 for 50% less money and the same weight, while getting an extra stop of aperture. Macro feels like a bit of a gimmick when you could get a true macro lens and either the 70-180 or 70-300 for around the same price.

Just like the
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Mar 02, 2024 at 07:28 AM
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I really doubt that. Possible of course.


I‘m not an expert for all those tests. But keep in mind that it‘s digitalkamera.de that I refer, too. The most respectable source in Germany I‘d say.
Sure, they test the lenses on a scientific basis, and therefore in the laboratory. I just bought the full results. Just 0,69 Euro, so not that expensive. But it takes someone who has more in-depth knowledge of how the data is ultimately to be interpreted than me. In addition, I‘m not really a landscape photographer, so resolution isn‘t top priority to me.



Mar 02, 2024 at 12:51 PM
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Yes, 200 f/2.8 vs f/4 is a more meaningful of a differentiator than at 50mm.

Also, I'm referring to the Tamron 70-300, not Sony's. For 1/3rd the price, these samples really look close enough, hence returning to my point that the 70-200 f/4 is too expensive for what it is. If it's all about IQ, just go for the 70-180 f/2.8, which is sharper, faster, cheaper, and weighs the same.

I'm curious what you see the 70-200 f/4 as having over the Tamron 70-300 or 70-180 f/2.8, for instance: similar weight and size, lower prices, better IQ on the 70-180 along with a 1 stop advantage, the 70-180 also has a .5x macro, the 70-300 gets to 300mm, etc.

The only thing in Sony's favor for the 70-200 f/4 is the artificial limitation to FPS when shooting, but really none of these lenses would make sense paired with an a1 or a9.

It's not a problem that Sony provides options - I appreciate both the range of native lenses and the openness of the mount enabling great third party options. My original point has always been that some of these announcements (24-50, 70-200 f/4, the rumored 16-25) are overpriced and not differentiated from what's already available. If you needed a faster midrange aperture, a 20-70 and 50mm f/1.8 is far more capable for around the same price and has already been around for a year.

Tamron 70-300 samples:
https://www.the-digital-picture.com/Reviews/ISO-12233-Sample-Crops.aspx?Lens=1662&Camera=1538&Sample=0&FLI=3&API=0&LensComp=1533&CameraComp=1175&SampleComp=0&FLIComp=2&APIComp=1

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So f/2.8 is considered a plus in the 70-200 range, but doesn't count as a differentiator in the 2x-50/70 range? Honestly, I imagine people who find this lens useful will find it useful, and those that don't won't.

For me, the shorter length of the 70-200/4 macro is a plus and I wouldn't necessarily miss the speed, you probably don't have the same priorities as me, and there isn't a single set of priorities shared by everyone. I would also take it over the 70-300. Some broad strokes of cherry picking quality in one comparison and then seeming to omit it
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Mar 02, 2024 at 08:11 PM
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While it may seem silly, the Tamron 70-180 would be pushing it to fit vertically in one of my slots in my backpack. I think the Sony would fit, albeit barely. Maybe the Tamron would too, I'd have to measure. I could use my 1.4x TC with the Sony if I wanted more reach, or more magnification for macro (than the Tamron 70-180.) The Tamron 70-300 is slightly slower in overlapping range and doesn't really pass for trying to do macro, at least I don't think it would be as useful. And I believe the Sony would be better optimized for OSS+IBIS with my a7R V.

At the end of the day, I'm not saying they aren't good options, but they don't really tempt me at all. I'm predominantly a prime shooter, but the 70-200/4 G does tempt me somewhat. Cost isn't a huge factor in my lens choices...unless we're talking about big whites as I don't shoot enough wildlife/birds to make that investment.

I have the 20-70/4, so the only way the 24-50 would tempt me would be if it turned out to perform tangibly better, which I'm doubting. But I can see how some people would trade the range for a little more speed.

You seem so sure of exactly how everything is, there is no willingness to see nuances that people with other priorities may have. I respect that you don't see any value in these lenses, based on other options, but it would help if you soften your tone and not speak in so absolute terms that no one can have a differing opinion. No where did you say "in my opinion", or "I believe", or "I think". I definitely understand you see no value in these lenses (vs other available options.) I think maybe we can just leave it at that.

adcimagery wrote:
Yes, 200 f/2.8 vs f/4 is a more meaningful of a differentiator than at 50mm.

Also, I'm referring to the Tamron 70-300, not Sony's. For 1/3rd the price, these samples really look close enough, hence returning to my point that the 70-200 f/4 is too expensive for what it is. If it's all about IQ, just go for the 70-180 f/2.8, which is sharper, faster, cheaper, and weighs the same.

I'm curious what you see the 70-200 f/4 as having over the Tamron 70-300 or 70-180 f/2.8, for instance: similar weight and size, lower prices, better IQ on the 70-180 along with
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Mar 02, 2024 at 08:50 PM
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I've had the 70-180 since it came out and I love the image quality. But if you want to shoot anything that moves the AF doesn't come close to any of the Sony lenses. And I can't add a teleconverter to it either. If I didn't shoot so much low light stuff with my 70-180 I'd sell it for the Sony 70-200 f/4 in a heartbeat.

As for the 24-50 I ordered it on day 1 because that lens works for me and my workflow.



Mar 02, 2024 at 10:01 PM
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zeitlos wrote:
I‘m not an expert for all those tests. But keep in mind that it‘s digitalkamera.de that I refer, too. The most respectable source in Germany I‘d say.
Sure, they test the lenses on a scientific basis, and therefore in the laboratory. I just bought the full results. Just 0,69 Euro, so not that expensive. But it takes someone who has more in-depth knowledge of how the data is ultimately to be interpreted than me. In addition, I‘m not really a landscape photographer, so resolution isn‘t top priority to me.


I have nothing against their results; but their lab testing is chart based and so relatively close distance. lab testing doesn’t have to be: the gold standard is a tri optics or Zeiss infinity MTF bench, but no one is publishing that now that Lens Rentals doesn’t, so only the makers have that data!


So that’s reservation no. one. Number two is interpretive: how much resolution is visible. It’s easy to say that (eg) chart tested MTF 40 is say down to 60lpmm in the corners. Another to say what magnification and viewing distance that’s distinguishable for the highest levels.


Of course I’m not saying they are wrong, just that I’m not sure. It’s also worth bearing in mind that with zooms sample variation is huge. In digitalkamera’s review of the Nikon 28-70 they say that it performs better than the Tamron version 1 which is what the Nikon is a rebadge of. They suggest maybe the Nikon branded ones are better made. Well, maybe, but the difference is well within the sample to sample variation you expect with zooms: and sadly no one is testing ten copies of lenses any more. I’m tempted to try one..



Mar 03, 2024 at 12:14 AM
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Is it sharper than Tamron 28-75mm G2?


Mar 03, 2024 at 09:16 AM
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I think the new 24-50/2.8 competes directly with the sigma 24-70/2.8

They cost the same new and I think most people will be better off with the native glass.



Mar 03, 2024 at 09:51 AM
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aCuria wrote:
I think the new 24-50/2.8 competes directly with the sigma 24-70/2.8

They cost the same new and I think most people will be better off with the native glass.


Not looked at either lens here but Sony does usually have more lens function controls like AF/MF switch plus focus hold and sometimes an aperture ring. I honestly want that stuff and have not gone 3rd party in quite awhile and just go native glass. First it's not the money that I care about or really the size and weight although do like small but the functions overrule the brand of 3rd party. I just go Sony and call it a day. Just a decision I made long ago when I started buying like the 6700 A7c and these smaller bodies that take off function controls. The A1 and A7rv where never a issue with enough control functions but as you buy the smaller bodies you may lose one or two of them so going Sony lenses helped bring some of that back with this extra lens functions.

Ive tested Sony lenses for a long time and in many cases they are hard to beat with 3rd party . Not everything is perfect always but like the little PZ 16-35 F4 it is a great lens and still has functions I want. Now I shoot a lot of manual focus so that is also the driving force behind my decision here as a need a couple function buttons for how I work.

Just an example I turn that focus hold into. magnify function on the lens so I can focus in manual at a magnified view and the AF/MF switch on lens keeps that switch off the body itself. That picks up 2 functions on the lens and not the body



Mar 03, 2024 at 10:16 AM
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gclipper wrote:
Is it sharper than Tamron 28-75mm G2?


I saw a YouTube video that compared the two lenses and the Sony looked slightly better/sharper. Time will tell once this thing is released into the wild.




Mar 03, 2024 at 10:40 AM
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&ab_channel=RichardWong

From the chart tests, once the distortion drops off (~28-35mm) the tested 24-50 G is within copy variation range of the 24-70 GM II in terms of resolution.

One of those data points that makes me go hmmmmmmm... . From what I've seen here, and a few other reviews, I think the lenses would stack up like this:

* Excellent GM II
* Good GM II | Excellent G
* Average GM II | Good G
etc

but looking at a lot of reviews the difference between those categories doesn't seem to be too big (again, once one gets past the huge distortion that kills resolution on the extreme wide end). Bigger differences would be found in vignetting and the degree of cat's eye one gets across the range. CA seems pretty well controlled. Closeups being better on the wide end again is a bit disappointing, but fitting everything else into a package this petite is a worthwhile trade IMO.



Mar 04, 2024 at 02:57 PM
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It's interesting how many takes people have on this lens, but, and I might be of course over-simplifying things, I think its raison d'être is pretty straighforward: C series.
I don't think anyone who is considering a regular 24-70/2.8 would replace it with 24-50 due to the loss of the tele end, and modern 24-70s are not that big/heavy on a regular camera anyway.
20-70/4 on the other hand is a contender, but it's still a bit bigger and you loose that stop of light...



Mar 04, 2024 at 03:32 PM
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JVan_02 wrote:

&ab_channel=RichardWong
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Recently found and watch this comparitive review Un YouTube and found it a well rounded and complete.



Mar 04, 2024 at 04:32 PM
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adcimagery wrote:
I'm curious what you see the 70-200 f/4 as having over the Tamron 70-300 or 70-180 f/2.8, for instance: similar weight and size, lower prices, better IQ on the 70-180 along with a 1 stop advantage, the 70-180 also has a .5x macro, the 70-300 gets to 300mm, etc.


The Tamron never does .5x. It gets to 1:2.6 on the wide end and 1:4.7 on the tele. And, if you treat the Tamron G2 like a constant f/4 lens, their overall IQ is more similar than different. There are combinations of focal length and focus distance where one presents a slight resolution advantage over the other or has slightly less vignetting. Overall, both are capable but nothing special landscapers stopped down, the Tamron generally has smoother mid-to-portrait distance bokeh regardless of aperture, and the Sony very much differentiates itself .3m and closer, not only in optical performance, but also in operational speed and on-lens control.

The idea of a constant 1:2 RR isn't as universally appealing as a constant f/2.8 max aperture, but it's a very big deal if you spend time focusing on the small things. Without touching the aperture or changing your framing, you can impact apparent depth of field, the focus roll-off, the appearance of the bokeh, and, because it's still a zoom and has a sweet spot, the overall resolution. It also gives you more control over working distance without having to change lenses. There's certainly room for improvement there (I can only imagine what Sony would charge for it if it were perfect), but that's no more or less true for the Tamron. They're both compromises (the Tamron over the bigger, higher performing 70-200/2.8 options, the Sony over a closer focusing prime macro), but my feeling is you wouldn't gravitate to one or the other with the exact same usage and expectations in mind. The Sony certainly wouldn't be worth the extra cash if its unique advantage is meaningless to you.

I'm not sure why the Tamron 70-300 is in the conversation. It's a fine lens of it's type, but its performance is even more distance sensitive than the other two and, yes, it gets to 300, but the overall performance takes a big dive getting there. If size and weight are critical, it's a solid option, but it doesn't present any other advantages.



Mar 06, 2024 at 07:59 PM
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freaklikeme wrote:
The Tamron never does .5x. It gets to 1:2.6 on the wide end and 1:4.7 on the tele. And, if you treat the Tamron G2 like a constant f/4 lens, their overall IQ is more similar than different. There are combinations of focal length and focus distance where one presents a slight resolution advantage over the other or has slightly less vignetting. Overall, both are capable but nothing special landscapers stopped down, the Tamron generally has smoother mid-to-portrait distance bokeh regardless of aperture, and the Sony very much differentiates itself .3m and closer, not only in optical performance, but also
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The 70-200/4Gii has quad xd linear motors and a lens design which moves two optical groups to focus even faster.

Faster autofocus also seems to mean more af calculations per second, even if you are happy with the 15fps cap.

Ultimately the 70-200 focal range tends to be sports oriented, maximum autofocus capability is often more important than one stop imo

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Mar 07, 2024 at 01:15 AM
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aCuria wrote:
The 70-200/4Gii has quad xd linear motors and a lens design which moves two optical groups to focus even faster.

Faster autofocus also seems to mean more af calculations per second, even if you are happy with the 15fps cap.

Ultimately the 70-200 type lens is a sports oriented focal length, autofocus capability is more important than one stop.


Oh, it's very fast. It, along with the AI-assisted AF on the rV or 6700, tracks butterflies better than any combo I've used. It's not sports, but it's where the lens differentiates itself from anything else available. You can call it a sports lens type if you want (the f/2.8 variants are certainly popular among sports shooters, but they're equally popular among portrait and event shooters) but, to my mind, it ignores the biggest advantage the lens' capabilities presents. I see it as less a GM Jr and more a greatly improved version of the Nikon 70-180 macro.



Mar 07, 2024 at 01:43 AM
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freaklikeme wrote:
Oh, it's very fast. It, along with the AI-assisted AF on the rV or 6700, tracks butterflies better than any combo I've used. It's not sports, but it's where the lens differentiates itself from anything else available. You can call it a sports lens type if you want (the f/2.8 variants are certainly popular among sports shooters, but they're equally popular among portrait and event shooters) but, to my mind, it ignores the biggest advantage the lens' capabilities presents. I see it as less a GM Jr and more a greatly improved version of the Nikon 70-180 macro.


it only takes an extension tube to turn the other 70-200 type lenses into a macro. There’s also some filters that do this

I don’t really consider the 0.5x magnification on the Gii as its biggest advantage, it’s more of a convenience that you don’t have to carry the filter / tube.

It doesn’t really replace a dedicated macro either.



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