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Pre-order the Fujifilm X100VI camera now available!

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campy wrote:
What I don't understand is when developing a new product they must have an idea on how many units they think will sell in the first 6 months and based on that don't release them until they manufacture at least that amount. I find it hard to believe that the extra money received from not having to discount the price due to high demand is more than orders cancelled or customers that never accepted the preorders.
Not to mention camera store salesman pushing customers away from fuji towards something they can actually make a sale on. 2% of $100 is better...Show more →

No one really seems to know quite what the issue is with Fujifilm’s ongoing problems matching supply to demand — which is a polite way of saying “being unable to deliver products in an expected and reasonable way.”

Fujifilm has a lot of positive energy going for it, and this has been true since they introduced their modern aps-c digital cameras and then expanded those offerings. Their introduction fo a competitive and lower-cost miniMF system has also been a big plus. (Yes, I know that Fujifilm has a history that goes back much farther than this.)

But their supply/inventory issues have been an unfortunate drag on the goodwill that their products have otherwise created. All companies have such issues from time to time, but usually not to the extent we’ve seen with Fujifilm.

Jul 30, 2024 at 10:21 AM

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p.31 #2 · p.31 #2 · Pre-order the Fujifilm X100VI camera now available!

campy wrote:
What I don't understand is when developing a new product they must have an idea on how many units they think will sell in the first 6 months and based on that don't release them until they manufacture at least that amount. I find it hard to believe that the extra money received from not having to discount the price due to high demand is more than orders cancelled or customers that never accepted the preorders.
Not to mention camera store salesman pushing customers away from fuji towards something they can actually make a sale on. 2% of $100 is better...Show more →

My guess is based on their stated strategy to be more like Leica, Fuji is probably purposely managing X100VI demand - e.g. if they're making 15k/units/month as they claim, they probably have forecasted double the demand at the $1600 price point. They are probably ok with that because the other large sensor point and shoot manufacturers are playing the same game - look at the slow drip of Ricoh GRs and Leica Q3s with associated price increases yet still limited availability. Customer frustration also usually leads to the X-T50, X-S20, or X-T5 + lenses which probably have better margins and/or customer lifetime value for Fuji.

At the end of the day, the hype and frustration around the X100VI helps Fuji significantly. If they raised prices or production volume on the X100VI, that demand can quickly evaporate and they'll end up with less units sold in the long run. I'm also pretty sure most people looking at the X100VI aren't interested in a Nikon camera instead so there's only so much a camera salesman or more realistically in 2024, an online algorithm will do to steer customers to other brands.

The wait and frustration sucks but overall I think Fuji has done a lot to reignite consumer interest and camera demand broadly with their approach to the X100V/VI however intentional or unintentional it was.

Jul 30, 2024 at 11:38 AM

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tzhang4284 wrote:
My guess is based on their stated strategy to be more like Leica, Fuji is probably purposely managing X100VI demand - e.g. if they're making 15k/units/month as they claim, they probably have forecasted double the demand at the $1600 price point. They are probably ok with that because the other large sensor point and shoot manufacturers are playing the same game - look at the slow drip of Ricoh GRs and Leica Q3s with associated price increases yet still limited availability. Customer frustration also usually leads to the X-T50, X-S20, or X-T5 + lenses which probably have better margins and/or...Show more →

I agree with you regarding X100vi demand and production. There have been stories that they were producing a pretty substantial number of them per month and steadily allocating those to fill orders — though there still seems to be quite a backlog. In any case, I think we can at least partially forgive Fujifilm for the X100vi situation... or at least understand it.

If it were the only supply issue, in fact, I think we'd just chalk it up to the extremely large demand of this appealing camera, both on its own account, and because even its predecessor was in short supply for a long time.

But that last observation (about the X100v) leads us back to the recognition that this isn't just about the X100 series. It has affected the availability of various other bodies and lots of senses for years now and still does. If that is actually the result of an intentional Fujifilm plan, I have to think that it has more negative than positive effects on the company, especially in the long term as they get a reputation for being unable to deliver products.

I'm still not convinced that it is just "the plan," though. I think that they seem to have bigger problems than most companies predicting demand and planning production and shipping levels for whatever reasons. At least it sure looks that way.

Jul 30, 2024 at 12:04 PM

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p.31 #4 · p.31 #4 · Pre-order the Fujifilm X100VI camera now available!

if you look at amazon and B&H as two data points, other camera bodies outside of the X100 are readily available now. I don't think there's much of a shortage. They probably just do not want supply to outstrip demand since the market can turn on them at any moment.

Take a look at Peloton as a good example of what happens if you believe in your own fad too much.

Jul 30, 2024 at 12:18 PM

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p.31 #5 · p.31 #5 · Pre-order the Fujifilm X100VI camera now available!

Lots of anecdotal stories out there, but there is growing chatter of "I'm cancelling my VI preorder and going with ____ instead"

Had a friend get frustrated he couldn't get one and bought a Q2 instead. There's a fine line between holding back stock to keep viral interest and failing your customers. Fuji is firmly in the latter camp at this point with this particular camera line.

Regarding the larger market, it seems like having wide stock available is mostly correlated with company size and buying power on the manufacturing side. Apple is having zero problems making millions of the latest iPhones and Macs which use some of the most advanced technology in the electronics marketplace.

Jul 30, 2024 at 12:29 PM

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RoamingScott wrote:
Lots of anecdotal stories out there, but there is growing chatter of "I'm cancelling my VI preorder and going with ____ instead"

Had a friend get frustrated he couldn't get one and bought a Q2 instead. There's a fine line between holding back stock to keep viral interest and failing your customers. Fuji is firmly in the latter camp at this point with this particular camera line.

Regarding the larger market, it seems like having wide stock available is mostly correlated with company size and buying power on the manufacturing side. Apple is having zero problems making millions of the latest iPhones...Show more →

Fuji is not, and will never be Leica. Period.
Fuji knows that.

The analogy is that Grand Seiko wants to be a Rolex. Grand Seiko priced themselves well around the ones of Rolex, but nobody is buying that kind of crap.
Fuji will fail if they think they are Leica

Jul 30, 2024 at 01:29 PM

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Not sure if they’ll be like Leica but there is certainly room for another premium camera brand at a significantly lower price point than Leica. If Fuji can be the Apple Watch to Leicas Rolex, that’s a win for them.

As for the apple capacity example, apple for years had launch day capacity issues until they became the no. 1 phone brand. Cameras don’t have the same industry characteristics as phones so not sure it’s wise for any camera manufacturer to invest aggressively in production vs manage demand and price.

Jul 30, 2024 at 03:56 PM

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p.31 #8 · p.31 #8 · Pre-order the Fujifilm X100VI camera now available!

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Not sure if they’ll be like Leica but there is certainly room for another premium camera brand at a significantly lower price point than Leica. If Fuji can be the Apple Watch to Leicas Rolex, that’s a win for them.

As for the apple capacity example, apple for years had launch day capacity issues until they became the no. 1 phone brand. Cameras don’t have the same industry characteristics as phones so not sure it’s wise for any camera manufacturer to invest aggressively in production vs manage demand and price.

I think Fuji's strength is in being different from Canon/Nikon/Sony, for instance with their control dials approach, cameras with hybrid viewfinders, and emphasis on cameras that can product different JPEG styles, with minimal or no post processing needed. They also compete hard in areas the big three tend to ignore, namely APSC and medium format.

I would not regard the X100vi as a premium camera as much as just being unique, which therefore allows it to command a high price.

Leica in a sense is the same, though they also aim for very high quality in terms of finish. A Leica isn't a luxury version of a Canon, rather it is its own thing.

Jul 30, 2024 at 07:15 PM

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gdanmitchell wrote:
Small point, perhaps, but I think you are accurately making that case that you cannot “equate” the two cameras, not that the cannot be “compared.”

You can usefully “compare” them, though hopefully by considering their objective performances pluses and minuses for particular use cases. In such a comparison there are cases in which either might be the better choice.

True, Dan, you can 'compare' anything, even apples and oranges. But my point was that in my opinion it wasn't a fair (I did use the word fair to modify the word comparison) toe-to-toe comparison because the Leica has such superior specs, specifically the superb lens, the sensor, and the 60MP resolution compared (there I go again, using that word) to the Fuji's 40MP. Sure, we can compare use, esthetics, handling, portability, weight, appearance, and all other parameters. But I don't think the X100VI can produce photos with the same IQ as the Q3 and that was my point. There are other reasons to choose the Fuji over the Leica and, having said all this, in full disclosure, I prefer the Fuji cameras to the Leica. I like my X-T5 better than my Q2, even though the pictures that come out of the Q2 are better, IMO.

Jul 30, 2024 at 07:24 PM

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tzhang4284 wrote:
if you look at amazon and B&H as two data points, other camera bodies outside of the X100 are readily available now. I don't think there's much of a shortage.

The X-T5 has been in short supply. My regular dealer got me a silver one last week, and said the black one was "vaporware" at this point. I noticed the same thing on the B&H site -- a small trickle of silver cameras, which sold out quickly, then "expecting more soon." Black is on backorder, no expected date (or it was, anyway, when I looked last week.) Couldn't find an 18/2, either, but got a used one from Roberts for a good price.

Jul 30, 2024 at 07:40 PM

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TENOG wrote:
I like my X-T5 better than my Q2, even though the pictures that come out of the Q2 are better, IMO.

I sold my Q2 to a friend. Great camera, but I really wanted just one post processing workflow, and I prefer the files from the Fujis.

Jul 30, 2024 at 07:41 PM

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p.31 #12 · p.31 #12 · Pre-order the Fujifilm X100VI camera now available!

kenbennett wrote:
The X-T5 has been in short supply. My regular dealer got me a silver one last week, and said the black one was "vaporware" at this point. I noticed the same thing on the B&H site -- a small trickle of silver cameras, which sold out quickly, then "expecting more soon." Black is on backorder, no expected date (or it was, anyway, when I looked last week.) Couldn't find an 18/2, either, but got a used one from Roberts for a good price.

People keep saying this, but it hasn't been backordered at smaller shops all year. I've been sending links to stores with plenty of stock to people for months.

Just checked my primary supplier, and both colors in stock. People are just bad at shopping

Jul 30, 2024 at 08:27 PM

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True, Dan, you can 'compare' anything, even apples and oranges. But my point was that in my opinion it wasn't a fair (I did use the word fair to modify the word comparison) toe-to-toe comparison because the Leica has such superior specs, specifically the superb lens, the sensor, and the 60MP resolution compared (there I go again, using that word) to the Fuji's 40MP. Sure, we can compare use, esthetics, handling, portability, weight, appearance, and all other parameters. But I don't think the X100VI can produce photos with the same IQ as the Q3 and that was my point. There...Show more →

Not to put too fine a point on it but you just compared them and decided that they are not equal. Which was (part of) my point. ;-)

Jul 30, 2024 at 08:31 PM

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p.31 #14 · p.31 #14 · Pre-order the Fujifilm X100VI camera now available!

kenbennett wrote:
The X-T5 has been in short supply. My regular dealer got me a silver one last week, and said the black one was "vaporware" at this point. I noticed the same thing on the B&H site -- a small trickle of silver cameras, which sold out quickly, then "expecting more soon." Black is on backorder, no expected date (or it was, anyway, when I looked last week.) Couldn't find an 18/2, either, but got a used one from Roberts for a good price.

This was my experience, too. I gave up and bought one on the board here, even though I'd have preferred a new one. I recall the X100V also had these issues, so I don't know what the strategy is. It just doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. But I know nothing about manufacturing.

Aug 01, 2024 at 07:50 AM

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p.31 #15 · p.31 #15 · Pre-order the Fujifilm X100VI camera now available!

Taking preorders on my X100F for when I decide to sell it.

Aug 06, 2024 at 12:56 PM

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p.31 #16 · p.31 #16 · Pre-order the Fujifilm X100VI camera now available!

For those of you still actively monitoring X100V sales, have you noticed a significant drop in asking prices recently? I've been seeing a few used X100V for sale on FB Marketplace and they are all at prices that kind of seem too good to be true, but could be attributed to the sellers simply not being aware of the rabid 2nd hand market. Everything about each of the ads seems legit, but I would rather not get caught up in some scam or other shady dealings.

Aug 06, 2024 at 03:09 PM

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p.31 #17 · p.31 #17 · Pre-order the Fujifilm X100VI camera now available!

FB is full of scammers. Check the listings here to get a feel of what the last listed prices were on sold units.

Aug 06, 2024 at 03:56 PM

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VetraLens wrote:
For those of you still actively monitoring X100V sales, have you noticed a significant drop in asking prices recently? I've been seeing a few used X100V for sale on FB Marketplace and they are all at prices that kind of seem too good to be true, but could be attributed to the sellers simply not being aware of the rabid 2nd hand market. Everything about each of the ads seems legit, but I would rather not get caught up in some scam or other shady dealings.

If you look closely I think you'll see that none of those too-good-to-be-true deals involve actually meeting the seller in person. They are always labeled 'Ships to You.' You can bet these are not naive sellers, they are scammers. Meet in person at a police station or other secure place.

Aug 07, 2024 at 11:01 AM

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p.31 #19 · p.31 #19 · Pre-order the Fujifilm X100VI camera now available!

As a long-time Fuji enthusiast and owner, I must say that the supply situation of the X100VI is unacceptable. Sure glad I gave up and bought an X-T50/16-50 and enjoying it!

Aug 07, 2024 at 02:10 PM

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p.31 #20 · p.31 #20 · Pre-order the Fujifilm X100VI camera now available!

5 month wait, but mine came in today. Picked it up tonight, installed a screen and lens protector, and charging up the battery. Looking forward to testing out the 40mp sensor, IBIS, and film sims.

Aug 07, 2024 at 09:44 PM

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