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Archive 2024Done with Leica
p.3 #1Done with Leica
I’m fearful because I like it so much. I’d love a 10r and really like a 10m one day.
Other than specific pics my band new Z8 sits in a bag.
Other than specific pics my band new Z8 sits in a bag.
Feb 06, 2024 at 07:48 PM
p.3 #2Done with Leica
newyork wrote:
I’m fearful because I like it so much. I’d love a 10r and really like a 10m one day.
Other than specific pics my band new Z8 sits in a bag.
From my own experience with both M10R and M10M for the past few years, they have been very reliable and consistent. Just enjoy your M10.
I’m fearful because I like it so much. I’d love a 10r and really like a 10m one day.
Other than specific pics my band new Z8 sits in a bag.
From my own experience with both M10R and M10M for the past few years, they have been very reliable and consistent. Just enjoy your M10.
Feb 06, 2024 at 08:05 PM
p.3 #3Done with Leica
Desmolicious wrote:
this sort of conversation got me 'banned' from l-camera forum.
"You can't handle the truth!"
No seriously, fan boi sites are a lot of fun...
I also got banned from l-camera forum. Not for the same reason as you, but for something that I would not think would result in a ban. A warning at best. Those guys over there are just overly sensitive. I have a phrase I would like to describe them, but I will keep it to myself to not risk getting banned from another forum.
this sort of conversation got me 'banned' from l-camera forum.
"You can't handle the truth!"
No seriously, fan boi sites are a lot of fun...
I also got banned from l-camera forum. Not for the same reason as you, but for something that I would not think would result in a ban. A warning at best. Those guys over there are just overly sensitive. I have a phrase I would like to describe them, but I will keep it to myself to not risk getting banned from another forum.
Feb 06, 2024 at 09:59 PM
p.3 #4Done with Leica
Remember that different to this forum, the leica forum, if not mistaken, is managed by the leica store miami employees/owners, therefore anything that might impact sells is probably a no no...
cbass wrote:
"You can't handle the truth!"
No seriously, fan boi sites are a lot of fun...I also got banned from l-camera forum. Not for the same reason as you, but for something that I would not think would result in a ban. A warning at best. Those guys over there are just overly sensitive. I have a phrase I would like to describe them, but I will keep it to myself to not risk getting banned from another forum.
cbass wrote:
Desmolicious wrote
this sort of conversation got me 'banned' from l-camera forum."You can't handle the truth!"
No seriously, fan boi sites are a lot of fun...
Feb 07, 2024 at 06:36 AM
p.3 #5Done with Leica
Malabito wrote:
Remember that different to this forum, the leica forum, if not mistaken, is managed by the leica store miami employees/owners, therefore anything that might impact sells is probably a no no...
"You can't handle the truth!"
No seriously, fan boi sites are a lot of fun...I also got banned from l-camera forum. Not for the same reason as you, but for something that I would not think would result in a ban. A warning at best. Those guys over there are just overly sensitive. I have a phrase I would like to describe them, but I will keep it to myself to not risk getting banned from another forum.
Interesting comment - I had no idea that this is the case. This store seems very active in social networks and on YouTube, too. Sine the Leica online forum is brand-specific, I simply stay out of comments criticizing the brand - too many brand defender drones in this forum. But I sometimes press the like button in regard to other critical comments - for example when it came to the M6 film scratching issue.
Remember that different to this forum, the leica forum, if not mistaken, is managed by the leica store miami employees/owners, therefore anything that might impact sells is probably a no no...
cbass wrote
Desmolicious wrote
this sort of conversation got me 'banned' from l-camera forum."You can't handle the truth!"
No seriously, fan boi sites are a lot of fun...
Interesting comment - I had no idea that this is the case. This store seems very active in social networks and on YouTube, too. Sine the Leica online forum is brand-specific, I simply stay out of comments criticizing the brand - too many brand defender drones in this forum. But I sometimes press the like button in regard to other critical comments - for example when it came to the M6 film scratching issue.
Feb 07, 2024 at 06:49 AM
p.3 #6Done with Leica
this sort of conversation got me 'banned' from l-camera forum.
Badge of honor, I'd say.
Feb 07, 2024 at 07:20 AM
p.3 #7Done with Leica
Remember that different to this forum, the leica forum, if not mistaken, is managed by the leica store miami employees/owners, therefore anything that might impact sells is probably a no no...
Not the LUF - seems to be operated by one Andreas Jürgensen in Bonn, at least according to the legal notice
https://www.l-camera-forum.com/imprint.html/
and who is a former Leica contractor
https://www.japancamerahunter.com/2012/03/leica-forum-interview-andreas-jurgensen/
and who says that l-camera was initiated by the Leica marketing dept.
Make of that what you will.
Not the LUF - seems to be operated by one Andreas Jürgensen in Bonn, at least according to the legal notice
https://www.l-camera-forum.com/imprint.html/
and who is a former Leica contractor
https://www.japancamerahunter.com/2012/03/leica-forum-interview-andreas-jurgensen/
and who says that l-camera was initiated by the Leica marketing dept.
Make of that what you will.
Feb 07, 2024 at 07:29 AM
p.3 #8Done with Leica
Malabito wrote:
Remember that different to this forum, the leica forum, if not mistaken, is managed by the leica store miami employees/owners, therefore anything that might impact sells is probably a no no...
"You can't handle the truth!"
No seriously, fan boi sites are a lot of fun...I also got banned from l-camera forum. Not for the same reason as you, but for something that I would not think would result in a ban. A warning at best. Those guys over there are just overly sensitive. I have a phrase I would like to describe them, but I will keep it to myself to not risk getting banned from another forum.
You're thinking of Red Dot Forum, which is largely unused as a forum, but the website is kept up to date.
https://www.reddotforum.com
Remember that different to this forum, the leica forum, if not mistaken, is managed by the leica store miami employees/owners, therefore anything that might impact sells is probably a no no...
cbass wrote
Desmolicious wrote
this sort of conversation got me 'banned' from l-camera forum."You can't handle the truth!"
No seriously, fan boi sites are a lot of fun...
You're thinking of Red Dot Forum, which is largely unused as a forum, but the website is kept up to date.
https://www.reddotforum.com
Feb 07, 2024 at 09:29 AM
p.3 #9Done with Leica
highdesertmesa wrote:
"You can't handle the truth!"
No seriously, fan boi sites are a lot of fun...I also got banned from l-camera forum. Not for the same reason as you, but for something that I would not think would result in a ban. A warning at best. Those guys over there are just overly sensitive. I have a phrase I would like to describe them, but I will keep it to myself to not risk getting banned from another forum.You're thinking of Red Dot Forum, which is largely unused as a forum, but the website is kept up to date.
https://www.reddotforum.com
thanks! seems like i was mistaken
Malabito wrote
Remember that different to this forum, the leica forum, if not mistaken, is managed by the leica store miami employees/owners, therefore anything that might impact sells is probably a no no...cbass wrote
Desmolicious wrote
this sort of conversation got me 'banned' from l-camera forum."You can't handle the truth!"
No seriously, fan boi sites are a lot of fun...
https://www.reddotforum.com
thanks! seems like i was mistaken
Feb 07, 2024 at 10:01 AM
p.3 #10Done with Leica
cbass wrote:
"You can't handle the truth!"
No seriously, fan boi sites are a lot of fun...I also got banned from l-camera forum. Not for the same reason as you, but for something that I would not think would result in a ban. A warning at best. Those guys over there are just overly sensitive. I have a phrase I would like to describe them, but I will keep it to myself to not risk getting banned from another forum.
Very true. I have not posted there in a long, long time. After reading some of the off-topic remarks by moderators during COVID I distanced myself, probably permanently.
Desmolicious wrote
this sort of conversation got me 'banned' from l-camera forum."You can't handle the truth!"
No seriously, fan boi sites are a lot of fun...
Very true. I have not posted there in a long, long time. After reading some of the off-topic remarks by moderators during COVID I distanced myself, probably permanently.
Feb 07, 2024 at 12:50 PM
p.3 #11Done with Leica
cbass wrote:
"You can't handle the truth!"
No seriously, fan boi sites are a lot of fun...Those guys over there are just overly sensitive.
Probably an understatement... Overly sensitive and 100% apologist...
Desmolicious wrote
this sort of conversation got me 'banned' from l-camera forum."You can't handle the truth!"
No seriously, fan boi sites are a lot of fun...
Probably an understatement... Overly sensitive and 100% apologist...
Feb 07, 2024 at 01:03 PM
p.3 #12Done with Leica
The mods at l-camera forum deleted some of my comments showing that Leica acknowledged that the M6 had film scratching issues, but allowed comments insulting me and saying I was making stuff up.
Then gave me a temp ban for being 'argumentative'..
The beautiful thing about the internet is all you gotta do is type M6 film scratching and all is revealed...
Sites like l-camera are completely useless to me as their only goal is to promote product. I want to know the real deal, and again I love my Leicas - they by far give me the most satisfaction in use - but I will let people know any issues I have encountered, and how to look out for them.
And this is what I really value about fredmiranda.com - people here do the same - telling the good with the bad no matter what they are using.
Then gave me a temp ban for being 'argumentative'..
The beautiful thing about the internet is all you gotta do is type M6 film scratching and all is revealed...
Sites like l-camera are completely useless to me as their only goal is to promote product. I want to know the real deal, and again I love my Leicas - they by far give me the most satisfaction in use - but I will let people know any issues I have encountered, and how to look out for them.
And this is what I really value about fredmiranda.com - people here do the same - telling the good with the bad no matter what they are using.
Feb 07, 2024 at 01:36 PM
p.3 #13Done with Leica
RoamingScott wrote:
At the end of the day, it's your job as a photographer to make an image, not the camera. If you use any brand as an excuse otherwise, the door to other hobbies or professions is that way
Yeah, sometimes you just got to buy the camera equivalent of a Toyota (Canon) or a Honda (Nikon).
At the end of the day, it's your job as a photographer to make an image, not the camera. If you use any brand as an excuse otherwise, the door to other hobbies or professions is that way
Yeah, sometimes you just got to buy the camera equivalent of a Toyota (Canon) or a Honda (Nikon).
Feb 07, 2024 at 02:21 PM
p.3 #14Done with Leica
Sorry to hear of these problems. Just for some balance I have owned an M 9 M and had it for 9 years. The only issue I had was the recall for the sensor. I also had a M-E and the only issue I had was the senors recall. My M 262 I had no issues. I now have 2 M 10s and an M 10 mono and I have been lucky I guess. And I am not easy on my gear. I had from more issues, even with the sensor recall (Leica), with my Canons than I have had with my Leica's. I was shooting for NATO here in Chicago in 2012 and had a complete shutter failure. Had a mirror fall out of a 5 D II. Had a 1DX Mk II show up from CPS DOA. And a lot of other issues. I will say that Canon CPS was very good. As Fred pointed out service can be an issue with Leica.
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Feb 07, 2024 at 04:38 PM
p.3 #15Done with Leica
The question isn't how reliable are Leica's, it's how does Leica support their customer after the initial sale. Here, it appears like Leica falls flat on it's face...which is very disappointing given it is a luxury brand.
Feb 07, 2024 at 05:31 PM
p.3 #16Done with Leica
I think the issue is not with stuff going wrong - that can happen to all mfgs - but with the lack of after sales service.
Feb 07, 2024 at 05:35 PM
p.3 #17Done with Leica
Even from a service standpoint isnt it still Canon and Nikon?
I'm not a hard core working photographer so my insight in this is minimal. Only ever had to deal with one broken Nikon DSLR and it was a 6 week door-to-door fix and return on a broken shutter mech.
At least Leica is committed to serviceability of old products. If they had access to Kodak CCDs I'm sure they would be happy to repair M8 and M9 bodies like they repair M7 still.
I'm not a hard core working photographer so my insight in this is minimal. Only ever had to deal with one broken Nikon DSLR and it was a 6 week door-to-door fix and return on a broken shutter mech.
At least Leica is committed to serviceability of old products. If they had access to Kodak CCDs I'm sure they would be happy to repair M8 and M9 bodies like they repair M7 still.
Feb 07, 2024 at 06:28 PM
p.3 #18Done with Leica
ottokbre wrote:
Even from a service standpoint isnt it still Canon and Nikon?
I'm not a hard core working photographer so my insight in this is minimal. Only ever had to deal with one broken Nikon DSLR and it was a 6 week door-to-door fix and return on a broken shutter mech.
At least Leica is committed to serviceability of old products. If they had access to Kodak CCDs I'm sure they would be happy to repair M8 and M9 bodies like they repair M7 still.
If they could get all the parts then why wouldn’t they be happy to repair old equipment? Service and repair is a profit center if run properly.
Even from a service standpoint isnt it still Canon and Nikon?
I'm not a hard core working photographer so my insight in this is minimal. Only ever had to deal with one broken Nikon DSLR and it was a 6 week door-to-door fix and return on a broken shutter mech.
At least Leica is committed to serviceability of old products. If they had access to Kodak CCDs I'm sure they would be happy to repair M8 and M9 bodies like they repair M7 still.
If they could get all the parts then why wouldn’t they be happy to repair old equipment? Service and repair is a profit center if run properly.
Feb 07, 2024 at 06:34 PM
p.3 #19Done with Leica
chez wrote:
I'm not a hard core working photographer so my insight in this is minimal. Only ever had to deal with one broken Nikon DSLR and it was a 6 week door-to-door fix and return on a broken shutter mech.
At least Leica is committed to serviceability of old products. If they had access to Kodak CCDs I'm sure they would be happy to repair M8 and M9 bodies like they repair M7 still.If they could get all the parts then why wouldn’t they be happy to repair old equipment? Service and repair is a profit center if run properly.
As long as parts are actually available. The sensors for the M8 or M9 are long out of production and Leica most likely burned through their stock during the recall. There were replacements for the M6 TTL meters for years but they're all gone. Leica tends to keep more parts in stock longer than other manufactures but training new repair staff bogs down the process. It would also help if they made a batch of replacement bodies to swap out if your brand new, still under warranty Leica develops problems.
I like my Sony but Sony's idea of a firmware update is for the consumer to buy a new camera.
ottokbre wrote
Even from a service standpoint isnt it still Canon and Nikon?I'm not a hard core working photographer so my insight in this is minimal. Only ever had to deal with one broken Nikon DSLR and it was a 6 week door-to-door fix and return on a broken shutter mech.
At least Leica is committed to serviceability of old products. If they had access to Kodak CCDs I'm sure they would be happy to repair M8 and M9 bodies like they repair M7 still.
As long as parts are actually available. The sensors for the M8 or M9 are long out of production and Leica most likely burned through their stock during the recall. There were replacements for the M6 TTL meters for years but they're all gone. Leica tends to keep more parts in stock longer than other manufactures but training new repair staff bogs down the process. It would also help if they made a batch of replacement bodies to swap out if your brand new, still under warranty Leica develops problems.
I like my Sony but Sony's idea of a firmware update is for the consumer to buy a new camera.
Feb 07, 2024 at 07:22 PM
p.3 #20Done with Leica
ottokbre wrote:
At least Leica is committed to serviceability of old products. If they had access to Kodak CCDs I'm sure they would be happy to repair M8 and M9 bodies like they repair M7 still.
I am not so sure...
When Leica discontinued the Leica CL in 2022 the official message was that they guaranteed 6 years of support from the date of Purchase. That was all and as far as I know you can still get CMOS sensors...
So if you bought your CL in 2017 (like I did) it means that you already have run out of guaranteed support...
Leica also already since quite a few years does not service the Leica X cameras anymore of which the last one was released in 2014...
Same for Leica R cameras which were discontinued in 2009.
At least Leica is committed to serviceability of old products. If they had access to Kodak CCDs I'm sure they would be happy to repair M8 and M9 bodies like they repair M7 still.
I am not so sure...
When Leica discontinued the Leica CL in 2022 the official message was that they guaranteed 6 years of support from the date of Purchase. That was all and as far as I know you can still get CMOS sensors...
So if you bought your CL in 2017 (like I did) it means that you already have run out of guaranteed support...
Leica also already since quite a few years does not service the Leica X cameras anymore of which the last one was released in 2014...
Same for Leica R cameras which were discontinued in 2009.
Feb 07, 2024 at 07:25 PM