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Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses

  
 
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Paul Z wrote:
Is the EVF smooth on the SL2-S when you zoom in?

I changed from XH-2 to ZF, and the EVF lag (punched in on eye) is annoying me a bit more than I thought it would (ignoring resolution differences).


I read that you need to set the camera on performance mode or something like that.



Nov 23, 2024 at 01:29 PM
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I really hope other manufacturers follow-suit with this or a similar approach, maybe even something better, who knows.

I tried this in store and have some questions from that experience and in general.

-I noticed the detection box being green over a range of focus adjustment. Much in the same way that a DSLR focus confirmation box would, and not be that precise.

I saw an older video on DSLR focus confirmation saying it was best to rack out towards infinity and focus towards your critical focus point and when it first indicates focus that is the most accurate spot?

I see mixed views on the Nikon system discussed here. Some say they rarely miss. Others say the box turning green doesn’t get them critical focus. I wonder if it’s the individual technique influencing this?

I didn’t play with multiple lenses, but I’m guessing this range in which the box stays green varies with f stop and subject distance?

-can we move the box around to other points and use it that way easily? Does it work with other subject detection modes? Subject detection is really cool for this camera for sure, but just having focus confirmation period is unusual in the mirrorless world, so I’m surprised the reviews seem to mention only the subject detection aspect and only the eye focus. Isn’t Canon the only other mirrorless manufacturer to have focus confirmation? How is their’s?

-I still can’t find an easily digestible answer on whether or not my soon to arrive Sony A7RV maintains at least a higher megapixel VF view when zooming in than one that starts at a lower resolution? Apparently it doesn’t continue to just read off the sensor. I saw a similar complaint with the Panasonic implementation on the S5II vs the orginal S5. I hadn’t realized this would even be a concern. One of the reasons I got the V over a CR was hoping to do better with MF

Hopefully I can make it work, as even if Sony adds better MF aids, I certainly don’t count on them to add it via firmware.

I should stop there, I can see people’s eyes glazing over now.

Thanks much




Jan 03, 2025 at 04:26 AM
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p.45 #3 · Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses


aman74 wrote:
I really hope other manufacturers follow-suit with this or a similar approach, maybe even something better, who knows.

I tried this in store and have some questions from that experience and in general.

-I noticed the detection box being green over a range of focus adjustment. Much in the same way that a DSLR focus confirmation box would, and not be that precise.

I saw an older video on DSLR focus confirmation saying it was best to rack out towards infinity and focus towards your critical focus point and when it first indicates focus that is the most accurate spot?

I
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One of the issues with MF focus accuracy I believe depends on whether the lens is passing the rear element position distance (pupil distance)….apologies if I’ve got this a bit wrong in the details. A non-electronic lens using a smart adapter to fool the Nikon body into providing green focus confirmation box will likely not focus as well as say a Voigtlander Z lens which operates as Nikon require.



Jan 03, 2025 at 10:20 AM
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p.45 #4 · Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses


Has anyone found a 6bit adapter for Leica M that includes a close focus helicoid?


Jan 17, 2025 at 10:53 AM
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p.45 #5 · Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses


Nikon Zf CV 50mm f1

Janelle at the Beach 2 Final (1 of 1) by Christopher Rankin, on Flickr

Anyone else hoping they release the new CV 90mm f2 in Z mount?



Jan 18, 2025 at 01:00 PM
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p.45 #6 · Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses


C.Rankin wrote:
Anyone else hoping they release the new CV 90mm f2 in Z mount?


I too wait for the CV Z 90/2 Apo!



Jan 18, 2025 at 02:32 PM
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p.45 #7 · Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses


Voigtlander Nokton 35mm 1.4 ii SC & Nikon Zf




























Jan 19, 2025 at 11:54 AM
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p.45 #8 · Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses


Nikon Z f with Zeiss 135/2 APO ZF.2 lens. The green focus confirmation box works properly for Zeiss claasic/Milvus/Otus ZF.2 lenses.



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Jan 19, 2025 at 08:59 PM
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p.45 #9 · Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses


The Zf has me in a bit of a muddle over future lens strategy.
I have a Sony A7R2, it will get upgraded at some point, this is my AF camera. I have the lenses I need and am happy with it.
I expect at some point I will get either a M8 or type 240 just to try Leica, who doesn't want to try, though that will be a few years off yet.
The Zf is my learn to shoot manual and have fun camera.
I have a collection of old Pentax glass to play around with for now and I just bought a Zeiss Biotar 58mm F2 as well

I want to build out a decent set of MF lenses, I have a couple of choices for maximum flexibility.

Go down the CV route, the 40mm F1.2 is very appealing as is the 50mm F1. I could buy Z mount, or buy M mount and adapt. This would mean I could use these lenses on my Zf, A7 and any future M mount camera

Be alot more patient and save for 2nd hand Leica glass, buy once, don't regret type approach. There are a few Zeiss lenses for Leica I'd like to try as well.

Having never owned a Leica lens (and I realise how subjective this is) are they that much better than other glass, I guess Im thinking particularly compared to the CV MF range? It is a lot of money to spend even 2nd hand to find out either way.

More importantly, if I forget about the whole summilux/elmarit/summicron thing, what do I lose if I buy M mount glass and adapt it to the Zf over native Z MF glass. I particularly think about the CV Z mount lenses here. If I buy the 40mm F1.2 in M Mount and use the ttartisans 6 bit adapter do I lose anything over the native Z mount version of the same lens. I don't think the Z mount CV's send distance info to the camera?

This is a collection I want to build out and keep, but I can only afford to buy once, Im leaning towards buying M mount for flexibility, but want to be sure Im OK with the compromises and understand what they are I guess?



Jan 21, 2025 at 02:42 AM
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wastedimages wrote:
The Zf has me in a bit of a muddle over future lens strategy.
I have a Sony A7R2, it will get upgraded at some point, this is my AF camera. I have the lenses I need and am happy with it.
I expect at some point I will get either a M8 or type 240 just to try Leica, who doesn't want to try, though that will be a few years off yet.
The Zf is my learn to shoot manual and have fun camera.
I have a collection of old Pentax glass to play around with for now and I just bought
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Owning both the M 240 and the M 246, I consider more and more the Zf to add as EVF-based predominantly manual focus camera with my rangefinder M- and LTM-lenses replacing my Sony A7R. Ideal would be a hypothetical Leica EVF based M camera (or Q with exchangeable M-mount) but I don't see this happening any time soon and even then for a high price uptick.

Known former issues adapting rangefinder M lenses to MLCs can cause especially at 35 mm focal length and below some color fringing in corners of the frame and blurriness. This depends on the thickness of the sensor stack - the Zf seems pretty good here and comes currently closest of available third party choices in stack thickness to digital Leica M cameras. It does not matter which rangefinder brand you are using - in the past, the wider open the lens is, the less of an issue adapted to my Sony A7R. I think you will be perfectly fine with the CV 40/1.2 adapted to the Zf.

Keep us posted here in case you go for the Zf and use it with M-lenses. I am very interested to hear.



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p.45 #11 · Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses


retrofocus wrote:
Owning both the M 240 and the M 246, I consider more and more the Zf to add as EVF-based predominantly manual focus camera with my rangefinder M- and LTM-lenses replacing my Sony A7R. Ideal would be a hypothetical Leica EVF based M camera (or Q with exchangeable M-mount) but I don't see this happening any time soon and even then for a high price uptick.

Known former issues adapting rangefinder M lenses to MLCs can cause especially at 35 mm focal length and below some color fringing in corners of the frame and blurriness. This depends on the thickness of
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I have the Zf already, and it is impressive as hell. For the next few months I can play around with my legacy pentax glass which I am enjoying.
Then Im going to want to buy some manual lenses.
I need to decide whether to
buy the CV lenses in Z mount ( can only use on the ZF)
buy the CV lenses in M Mount ( can use on the Zf, A7R2 and possible future Leica)
Ignore the CV lenses and save the extra for the Elmarit/summicron/summilux lenses




Jan 21, 2025 at 08:02 AM
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wastedimages wrote:
I have the Zf already, and it is impressive as hell. For the next few months I can play around with my legacy pentax glass which I am enjoying.
Then Im going to want to buy some manual lenses.
I need to decide whether to
buy the CV lenses in Z mount ( can only use on the ZF)
buy the CV lenses in M Mount ( can use on the Zf, A7R2 and possible future Leica)
Ignore the CV lenses and save the extra for the Elmarit/summicron/summilux lenses



I decided in the past for M-mount lenses quite some time before I even had a digital M and only my Sony A7R. The M-mount is very felxible, and it keeps you options open later to change MLC brands again or even add a digital or film M camera. Using a CV lens with dedicated MLC-brand mount limits options to adapt it later to other cameras. So I would buy CV lenses in M mount always. If Leica M or Cosina-Voigtlander based M mount lenses is a metter of willing to pay a price and if the image quality makes a difference to you. From my experience, I have a hard time to tell a difference in image quality between modern M lenses of both brands. I would highly consider CV lenses to start off with.



Jan 21, 2025 at 08:07 AM
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wastedimages wrote:
I have the Zf already, and it is impressive as hell. For the next few months I can play around with my legacy pentax glass which I am enjoying.
Then Im going to want to buy some manual lenses.
I need to decide whether to
buy the CV lenses in Z mount ( can only use on the ZF)
buy the CV lenses in M Mount ( can use on the Zf, A7R2 and possible future Leica)
Ignore the CV lenses and save the extra for the Elmarit/summicron/summilux lenses



I respect retrofocus as a photographer (I think his work is excellent) and I think his arguments are sound, but I think about these issues slightly differently. Whether I go with Leica M mount lenses or lenses for the specific mirrorless camera depends on whether the lenses underperform on mirrorless or not. I don't want my lenses to have reduced performance because of the cover glass on the sensor. Despite that concern some lenses work fine in Leica M mount when they are adapted and I typically get those in Leica M mount.

Now there are two ways to make the lenses and sensors match. You can buy lenses optimized for the sensor or you can get the camera sensor modified. Either way it will cost, or potentially cost, a bit of money to get your lenses and sensor "matched." If you buy lenses optimized for the Z-mount, then if you switch cameras to another brand you will have to sell them and buy lenses optimized for the other mount (you can use E-mount lenses on Z-mount with an adapter, but Z-mount lenses cannot be used on any other mount). You will likely lose a bit a money in the switch. On the other hand if you modify the sensor in your camera, then you will pay about $500 to get a sensor that is optimized for Leica M mount lenses (and older film lenses like your Pentax legacy lenses). If you keep your M mount and legacy film lenses, and want to continue to get performance optimized for them, then you will have to modify the sensor on future cameras as well (unless you go with a film camera or a Leica camera). Either way, you pay for optimizing the match between your lenses and your camera, but for me that is a price I am willing to pay.

Here is what I am doing specifically. I have a Sony A7r V. I have a bunch of Voigtlander E mount lenses for it. Right now I have the 21 f/1.4, 40 f/1.2, 50 f/1.2, and 50 f/2 APO. I also have the 75 f/1.5 in Leica M mount that I adapt. I adapt that lens because Fred's (and several other people here) testing has pretty clearly shown that this lens' performance is not affected by the thicker sensor stack on Sony E-mount. I also plan to get the Voigtlander 28 f/1.5 in Sony E mount, which will be available in a few weeks later this year, and I plan to swap the 40 f/1.2 for the 35 f/2 APO, and sometime either this year or next I will very likely get the Voigtlander 90 f/2 ultron APO--Fred is testing that right now and it looks like a lens I would like--but that one I will likely get in Leica M mount as well. So, for me you can see I get the Leica M mount version of Voigtlander (and other brands) lenses when I think the performance is unaffected by the sensor stack, but I get the mirrorless mount version when I think it is affected by the sensor stack, but I do so knowing that if I switch camera brands, which I have been known to do, then I will have to sell those lenses and buy other ones for the new mount and will lose a bit of money in the process (typically about $100 a lens). Note with this plan there is only one lens I have in Sony E mount that you couldn't get in Nikon Z mount.

I have also seriously considered modifying the sensor of my camera, but have decided not to do that just yet. If I did, then I could (and would) buy all Leica M mount lenses. I would go this route if there were Leica M mount lenses I really wanted to use that weren't available in mirrorless mount, but with so many good Voigtlander lenses and more nice lenses coming from other manufacturers there are no Leica M mount only lenses that I feel would add something I would use much at all to my kit.

As you can see these decisions, in my view, come down to some pretty nuanced personal preferences. I don't think you need to solve what you plan to do right away. Your plan to start sounds solid to me, but do know that your options include all the ones you mention plus potentially getting your sensor modified.



Jan 21, 2025 at 09:00 AM
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p.45 #14 · Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses


wastedimages wrote:
I have the Zf already, and it is impressive as hell. For the next few months I can play around with my legacy pentax glass which I am enjoying.
Then Im going to want to buy some manual lenses.
I need to decide whether to
buy the CV lenses in Z mount ( can only use on the ZF)
buy the CV lenses in M Mount ( can use on the Zf, A7R2 and possible future Leica)
Ignore the CV lenses and save the extra for the Elmarit/summicron/summilux lenses



It all comes down to your preferences and tolerances for quality. You are either the kind of guy that sits around measurbating on forums, or you're a guy that goes outside, shoots, looks at their images, and decides if they like the output. If you do, keep the lens, if you don't, move on with life.

If you have a SERIOUS plan to get a Leica, and not just passing GAS, it might be worth picking up the M CV first for your ZF and see if you like it. If anything, you can assume you'll eke out a bit more IQ on a Leica body to boot.



Jan 21, 2025 at 09:46 AM
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RoamingScott wrote:
and not just passing GAS


Well played


For OP. I tend to go Leica M on the Zf primarily for: future potential Leica acquisition probably on the film side), multiple brand usage, you can get AF with the techart, and they tend to be a little smaller (but the adapter does even this out some). I might be lucky in my choices (28 Ultron II, 50 1.5 MC II panda, and Thypoch Simera 28 1.4 right now but have also owned the CV 40 1.2) but I've never looked at my pictures and been disgusted by sensor stack thickness.

Please note, I'm also the kind of person that when another member posts a side by side of the their back porch and talks about lens rendering differences, I'm hard pressed to tell a difference in most of these tests. I vote for versatility, and to Steve's point, if you can get an M mount that is known to play well all the better.



Jan 21, 2025 at 10:08 AM
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I think on the balance of things, as Im not an absolute sharpness kind of guy, (who is when they use adapted lenses) Im leaning toward getting M mount as the flexibility across multiple systems is worth more to me.
However, I have a bag full of vintage glass that I intend to enjoy and when I want to try something different, I can see if I still feel the same way.

This has been a very useful discussion that has helped to clear up some doubts for me so thank you, it is appreciated.




Jan 21, 2025 at 11:34 AM
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Pentax SMC K 30mm handheld - pushing my poor old lens to its limit as F2.8 isn't really enough for this unless I used a tripod.



I used ON1 to remove the noise, it is an impressive tool. I never edit photo's, I really should learn, as I have so many photo's that are 'nearly' there and with a bit of playing around could probably be reasonable photos. I spend all day in front of a PC, I don't really want a PC to intrude on my favourite hobby though.
Maybe next time I will look up how to turn the sky black to get rid of the light pollution. For this I just played around with a few sliders to see what they did more than anything.



Jan 24, 2025 at 02:17 PM
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p.45 #18 · Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses


So I finally broke down and picked up a Zf to try with M mount lenses. I've tried this approach before with Sony and eventually end up growing tired of it. The promise of better or more convenient manual focus aids (plus a better camera aesthetic) won me over. I switched out some of my M glass this time around as well. I went from the 50mm Lux ASPH v1 to the pre ASPH v3 and picked up a a 35mm Lux Pre FLE as well. I already had the 50mm Summicron Rigid which seems to perform well on any sensor (even the GFX I had for a bit).

My read on things is that the v3 Lux and the pre FLE 35 should perform better on a thicker sensor stack than their modern replacements. My question is I have both the 21 SEM and the 21 f1.4 Nokton both in M mount and my sense is the SEM will probably suffer from the Nikon standard sensor stack. If you were using this camera primarily for Leica M lenses with a smattering of AF native lenses would you go the thin filter route or would you run stock and find a different 21mm option or just live with the decreased performance? 21mm isn't a common focal length for me but I love this lens on my M10M and would probably drop the Nokton and maybe look at the Voigtlander 28mm f1.5 in Z mount? I don't typically need AF on lenses this wide and with the ease of manual focus on the ZF even less so. Anyone that has done the filter mod that uses Voigtlander Z lenses?



Jan 31, 2025 at 02:32 PM
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ocean2059 wrote:
Nikon Z f with Zeiss 135/2 APO ZF.2 lens. The green focus confirmation box works properly for Zeiss claasic/Milvus/Otus ZF.2 lenses.


really? I thought the focus confirmation does NOT work with classic Zeiss ZF oder ZF.2. Does not with my Z7.
Is there a new firmware upgrade for Zf? What adapter to Z do you use the 135/2 with?



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p.45 #20 · Nikon Zf as a platform for adapted/native manual focus lenses


cyra wrote:
really? I thought the focus confirmation does NOT work with classic Zeiss ZF oder ZF.2. Does not with my Z7.
Is there a new firmware upgrade for Zf? What adapter to Z do you use the 135/2 with?


Yes, the green focus confirmation box of Zf does work for all the Zeiss ZF.2 lenses. I use the original Nikon FTZ adapter (version 1). But you're correct that the Z7 does not have that feature. I hope Nikon will update the firmware for Z7 in the future.





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