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Archive 2023 · Leica 35mm Summilux Steel Rim vs Reissue vs Lux v2

  
 
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p.1 #1 · Leica 35mm Summilux Steel Rim vs Reissue vs Lux v2


I’ve got all three lenses for comparison. Both the original Steel Rim and the lux v2 have been CLA’d within the past few months and both have excellent glass. The reissue is only a few months old and on loan from @RustyRus .

Let me know if you have any requests, or what you’d like to see. Planning to play around with these this weekend.







Aug 24, 2023 at 06:33 PM
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p.1 #2 · Leica 35mm Summilux Steel Rim vs Reissue vs Lux v2


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Aug 24, 2023 at 06:49 PM
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p.1 #3 · Leica 35mm Summilux Steel Rim vs Reissue vs Lux v2


Wow, you got all three! It’s interesting that the v2 is a bit taller, I didn’t know that.

lifeandmylens wrote:
I’ve got all three lenses for comparison. Both the original Steel Rim and the lux v2 have been CLA’d within the past few months and both have excellent glass. The reissue is only a few months old and on loan from @RustyRus@ .

Let me know if you have any requests, or what you’d like to see. Planning to play around with these this weekend.




Aug 24, 2023 at 07:40 PM
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p.1 #4 · Leica 35mm Summilux Steel Rim vs Reissue vs Lux v2


Fred Miranda wrote:
Wow, you got all three! It’s interesting that the v2 is a bit taller, I didn’t know that.



Interesting isn’t it. The v2 is the tallest, while the reissue is the widest. Here are the filters for the steel rim and the reissue.







Aug 24, 2023 at 07:44 PM
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p.1 #5 · Leica 35mm Summilux Steel Rim vs Reissue vs Lux v2


lifeandmylens wrote:
Interesting isn’t it. The v2 is the tallest, while the reissue is the widest. Here are the filters for the steel rim and the reissue.


For sure, 41mm versus 46mm – the 46mm option is more practical, but adds 5mm to the top width of the lens. I'd be interested to learn how close the SR lenses are in terms of resolution and how they render images at different distances. My assumption is that the original one has a slightly lower contrast, but not a significant difference.



Aug 24, 2023 at 08:43 PM
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p.1 #6 · Leica 35mm Summilux Steel Rim vs Reissue vs Lux v2


lifeandmylens wrote:
I’ve got all three lenses for comparison. Both the original Steel Rim and the lux v2 have been CLA’d within the past few months and both have excellent glass. The reissue is only a few months old and on loan from @RustyRus@ .

Let me know if you have any requests, or what you’d like to see. Planning to play around with these this weekend.


Would love to see them compared at f/1.4 at long distance out to infinity. The reissue Steel Rim I had was only sharp in the center at infinity and f/1.4 and became quite glow-blurry toward the edges almost like a tilt/shift effect:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1779165/14#16243762 (last two images in the post)

The v2 I had was more consistent across the frame with a mild glow:

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1762742/0&year=2022#15979000 (ones marked as f/1.4)

But to see a side-by-side comparison would rule out lighting variables, etc.



Aug 24, 2023 at 09:42 PM
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p.1 #7 · Leica 35mm Summilux Steel Rim vs Reissue vs Lux v2


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... It’s interesting that the v2 is a bit taller ...


To accommodate the clip-on 12504 hood perhaps.



Aug 24, 2023 at 11:00 PM
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p.1 #8 · Leica 35mm Summilux Steel Rim vs Reissue vs Lux v2


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To accommodate the clip-on 12504 hood perhaps.


Indeed. I was glad to know that the 12504 hood also fits the Leica 35/2 Summicron 8-Element including the LLL replica.



Aug 24, 2023 at 11:11 PM
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p.1 #9 · Leica 35mm Summilux Steel Rim vs Reissue vs Lux v2


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Indeed. I was glad to know that the 12504 hood also fits the Leica 35/2 Summicron 8-Element including the LLL replica.


Nice! It also fits the Cron v4 "Bokeh King" and is so much nicer (but less effective) than the factory plastic hood.

LLL does make 12504 clones in silver and black (with or without white in the engravings). I think those would look really good on their 8E, especially a silver hood on silver lens.



Aug 24, 2023 at 11:14 PM
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p.1 #10 · Leica 35mm Summilux Steel Rim vs Reissue vs Lux v2


highdesertmesa wrote:
Nice! It also fits the Cron v4 "Bokeh King" and is so much nicer (but less effective) than the factory plastic hood.

LLL does make 12504 clones in silver and black (with or without white in the engravings). I think those would look really good on their 8E, especially a silver hood on silver lens.


I just saw that on their website! I had an older 12504 in really good condition, and I'm using it on the 8E. It's lighter and shorter than the IROOA hood.



Aug 24, 2023 at 11:26 PM
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p.1 #11 · Leica 35mm Summilux Steel Rim vs Reissue vs Lux v2


Played around with these three a little. A few observations (rendering mostly refers to f/1.4):

- Despite being the smallest lens of the three, the steel rim is the heaviest at 220 grams. The reissue is 206, and the v2 is 182.
- The reissue has the highest contrast, followed by the v2, and finally the steel rim.
- The reissue is much more flare resistant. The v2 flares very easily, followed slightly by the steel rim.
- The steel rim has the warmest image, followed very slightly by the reissue (which also has slightly more magenta), while the v2 has a noticeably cooler rendering.
- The reissue is the sharpest at all distances (but most noticeable at mid distance-infinity), followed slightly by the v2, and finally the steel rim.
- The reissue is the largest of the three (46mm filter thread vs 41mm on the steel rim and what would probably be 39mm on the v2).
- The steel rim has the nicest build quality, followed by the reissue and finally the v2 (mostly because it’s plastic).
- The aperture ring on the reissue is much “flimsier” than the steel rim. It’s closer in feeling and use to the v2.
- The v2 vignettes the most, and despite having a much larger front filter thread the reissue vignettes a little more than the steel rim.
- The reissue field of view is narrower than the steel rim and the v2 by 1-2mm which produces more blur and larger specular highlights than the other two.
- The glow seems pretty similar between the three, but the higher contrast of the reissue makes the glow seem more intense and more widespread in some cases. It also appears to have some CA mixed in with the glow.
- My copy of the steel rim is softer than both the v2 and the reissue at infinity. I am not sure if this is a hard stop issue with my copy or a characteristic of the lens. Because of this, the v2 and reissue are sharper at infinity than my steel rim.

Going to take a few more pics this morning. Will share some images later today. Here is an iPhone shot of the steel rim and the reissue showing the size and coating difference (those aren't scratches, just reflections).







Aug 26, 2023 at 08:44 AM
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p.1 #12 · Leica 35mm Summilux Steel Rim vs Reissue vs Lux v2


Awesome man!! Very promising to hear the results so far!!!!


Aug 26, 2023 at 11:34 AM
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p.1 #13 · Leica 35mm Summilux Steel Rim vs Reissue vs Lux v2


RustyRus wrote:
Awesome man!! Very promising to hear the results so far!!!!


Thanks for lending me your reissue!



Aug 26, 2023 at 11:57 AM
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p.1 #14 · Leica 35mm Summilux Steel Rim vs Reissue vs Lux v2


Here are a few comparisons. First set was about 20' away.




  LEICA M10-P    35 Summilux f/1.4 SR Reissue lens    35mm    f/1.4    1/1000s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  






  LEICA M10-P    35 Summilux v1 Steel Rim (1960) lens    35mm    f/1.4    1/1000s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  






  LEICA M10-P    35 Summilux f/1.4 v2 Canada - (1983) lens    35mm    f/1.4    1/1000s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  




Aug 26, 2023 at 11:58 AM
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p.1 #15 · Leica 35mm Summilux Steel Rim vs Reissue vs Lux v2


~5' away.




  LEICA M10-P    35 Summilux f/1.4 SR Reissue lens    35mm    f/1.4    1/750s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  






  LEICA M10-P    35 Summilux v1 Steel Rim (1960) lens    35mm    f/1.4    1/750s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  






  LEICA M10-P    35 Summilux f/1.4 v2 Canada - (1983) lens    35mm    f/1.4    1/750s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  




Aug 26, 2023 at 11:59 AM
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p.1 #16 · Leica 35mm Summilux Steel Rim vs Reissue vs Lux v2


Lenses set to infinity.




  LEICA M10-P    35 Summilux f/1.4 SR Reissue lens    35mm    f/1.4    1/3000s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  






  LEICA M10-P    35 Summilux v1 Steel Rim (1960) lens    35mm    f/1.4    1/3000s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  






  LEICA M10-P    35 Summilux f/1.4 v2 Canada - (1983) lens    35mm    f/1.4    1/3000s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  



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Aug 26, 2023 at 12:01 PM
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p.1 #17 · Leica 35mm Summilux Steel Rim vs Reissue vs Lux v2


8' or so to the bird feeders.




  LEICA M10-P    35 Summilux f/1.4 SR Reissue lens    35mm    f/1.4    1/500s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  






  LEICA M10-P    35 Summilux v1 Steel Rim (1960) lens    35mm    f/1.4    1/500s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  






  LEICA M10-P    35 Summilux f/1.4 v2 Canada - (1983) lens    35mm    f/1.4    1/500s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  




Aug 26, 2023 at 12:02 PM
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p.1 #18 · Leica 35mm Summilux Steel Rim vs Reissue vs Lux v2


7' or so to the mailbox. All had hoods on. FYI - screw on hood was used with the reissue and a filter. Didn't realize until after I loaded them up that it was the original (flawed) hood.




  LEICA M10-P    35 Summilux f/1.4 SR Reissue lens    35mm    f/1.4    1/4000s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  






  LEICA M10-P    35 Summilux v1 Steel Rim (1960) lens    35mm    f/1.4    1/4000s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  






  LEICA M10-P    35 Summilux f/1.4 v2 Canada - (1983) lens    35mm    f/1.4    1/4000s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  




Aug 26, 2023 at 12:04 PM
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p.1 #19 · Leica 35mm Summilux Steel Rim vs Reissue vs Lux v2


Same as above.




  LEICA M10-P    35 Summilux f/1.4 SR Reissue lens    35mm    f/1.4    1/4000s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  






  LEICA M10-P    35 Summilux v1 Steel Rim (1960) lens    35mm    f/1.4    1/4000s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  






  LEICA M10-P    35 Summilux f/1.4 v2 Canada - (1983) lens    35mm    f/1.4    1/4000s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  




Aug 26, 2023 at 12:05 PM
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p.1 #20 · Leica 35mm Summilux Steel Rim vs Reissue vs Lux v2


Same hoods, focus was white house, near infinity.




  LEICA M10-P    35 Summilux f/1.4 SR Reissue lens    35mm    f/1.4    1/4000s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  






  LEICA M10-P    35 Summilux v1 Steel Rim (1960) lens    35mm    f/1.4    1/4000s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  






  LEICA M10-P    35 Summilux f/1.4 v2 Canada - (1983) lens    35mm    f/1.4    1/4000s    200 ISO    0.0 EV  




Aug 26, 2023 at 12:06 PM
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