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highdesertmesa wrote:
Also since you're new to M:

"CV" (Cosina/Voigtlander), "VM" (Voigtlander M-mount), "VL" (Voigtlander), and "Cosina" all are used interchangeably to mean Voigtlander


..I sometimes have to re-think WTF people are talking about sometimes



Jul 24, 2023 at 11:30 PM
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CV need to update their 'CV' with more lenses. ;-) I like 'Voigts' too, can be used as shorthand.

On topic, the trouble here is that all M lenses are individual in ways that do not apply to the mainstream brands, so one person's favorite modern all rounder is not shared with the next person, and both are correct.

High end manual focus lenses vary greatly in character-usage-look, and finding the keepers, well that's a very personal journey. Maybe with a few misses along the way.



Jul 25, 2023 at 01:28 AM
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Desmolicious wrote:
The last new M mount lens Zeiss released was the ZM Distagon 35 1.4. Which maybe was 10years ago? That shows how little they care anymore, while Voigtlander has been releasing killer lenses ever since. I have the Distagon 35 and optically it is great, but as you say it is just too big for an M.
So if I was to buy a 35mm M lens today, that one would not be a consideration. It is also really freakin expensive new! Something like $2500.


Didn't Zeiss just build their M-mount lenses for their then M-mount camera? I'm not sure they're actually built for digital cameras.

Anyway, the 35mm 1.4 IS too large for the M system. You can buy new models for below $2,000, which is what I did, but I shouldn't have. I should have first checked it out via a rental or in a store. Oh well.



Jul 25, 2023 at 07:13 AM
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Ideally I'd like to be in the $500-600 (used) range just because I know from experience I'm going to use my 35mm more often. I'm hoping I can get something good in that range as my understanding is 50mm lenses are relatively simple to design.



Another less often mentioned option is the modern TTArtisan 50/1.4 M-mount lens for about $370. I don't think you can go wrong with this one - I haven't used this lens but so far but made very good experience with another TTArtisan lens for M-mount (the 11/2.8 fisheye). Unfortunately the TTArtisan 50/2 lens only exist in other mounts and is not available in rangefinder M-mount which would be more ideal regarding size limitation.



Jul 25, 2023 at 07:33 AM
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Modern? Affordable? 50mm? For Leica M?

The Leica Elmar-M 50mm f/2.8 is all of those things, and quite sharp. Not all Leica users feel safe collapsing this lens fully, when it is mounted on a digital M. As I understand it, an Elmar-M 50mm f/2.8 lens should be mounted and removed while locked in the extended position.

Cosina-made, Voigtlander-branded lenses, a.k.a. “CV,” can be wonderful choices. The best of them are not second-best, when compared to rival counterpart models in the Leica lens line. I have several Voigtlander lenses, but none of them are both affordable and 50mm, so, I am simply expressing confidence in the Voigtlander brand, and will let others recommend individual 50mm models. An inexpensive Voigtlander lens can be quite good, with a modern rendering, such as my Color Skopar 35mm f/2.5 II VM.

Notably, only the Voigtlander lenses with the Leica M bayonet mount are labeled as “VM.” Some Voigtlander lenses have the threaded mount, to fit pre-M and some non-M Leica cameras. Some Voitlander lenses are made for other camera system mounts. Pay attention while shopping. Adapters are available, for Leica Thread Mount, to M-mount, but that is an added expense.



Jul 25, 2023 at 08:20 AM
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I'm also a vote for the voigtlander 50mm f2 apo, I don't have much experience with different lenses, but its been a beast as the only 50mm I own for my Leica MA.


Jul 25, 2023 at 08:42 AM
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Thanks all. I think the CV 50 f/1.5 Nokton is probably going to be my frontrunner, if I come across the f/2 APO for a good deal I may be tempted. The viewfinder blockage on the APO isn't as bad as I thought it might be.

I love their 65mm APO for Sony, so I'm pretty sure I'd enjoy the 50mm as well.



Jul 25, 2023 at 09:22 AM
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Any thoughts on the Light Lens Lab 50mm f/2 ELCAN?

If you can find one...



Jul 25, 2023 at 08:41 PM
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Any thoughts on the Light Lens Lab 50mm f/2 ELCAN?

If you can find one...


It bugs me that like the original the aperture dial turns the opposite way of all other M lenses. So on a manual metered M like an M6 or MP, the meter arrows are the opposite direction.



Jul 25, 2023 at 11:11 PM
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Desmolicious wrote:
It bugs me that like the original the aperture dial turns the opposite way of all other M lenses. So on a manual metered M like an M6 or MP, the meter arrows are the opposite direction.


I read about the opposite way of aperture and exposure dials - it never bothered me. I don't even realize it when using it - but what sometimes confuses me is that Leica changed the exposure dial direction between M6 non-TTL and my M7 for example. When using both in parallel, this can be a bit cumbersome. I honestly don't prefer one direction over the other - but dislike it was changed even it supposedly should made metering more easier (which doesn't apply to me likely because I am used to have differently rotating aperture and exposure dials from all kind of SLR cameras in the past - likely for the same reason that the focus tab is still bothering me and I never got used to it so far and prefer a good manual focusing ring instead).



Jul 26, 2023 at 07:43 AM
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M_Wales wrote:
Any thoughts on the Light Lens Lab 50mm f/2 ELCAN?







Jul 26, 2023 at 07:43 AM
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richyirich wrote:





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Jul 26, 2023 at 07:56 AM
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johnvanr wrote:
Didn't Zeiss just build their M-mount lenses for their then M-mount camera? I'm not sure they're actually built for digital cameras.

Anyway, the 35mm 1.4 IS too large for the M system. You can buy new models for below $2,000, which is what I did, but I shouldn't have. I should have first checked it out via a rental or in a store. Oh well.


Having two 35mm lenses is something I have done, with each of the two DSLR systems I have used. One f/2 compact, and one larger/faster, in each case. It makes sense to have two 35mm M-mount lenses. (Of course, the M-mount system is a bit different, as some compact lenses are “fast,” some of the optically very best are f/2.)

Most of the Zeiss ZM line were designed for film use, and not all of them have done as well with digital M cameras. Color shift is a problem with some of them, on pre-M11 digital M, unless used for monochrome images. (I love the quite compact Zeiss C-Biogon 21mm f/4,5 ZM, on an M Type 246 Monochrom.) The Distagon 35mm f/1,4 ZM was released notably later than the others, definitely with digital in mind, though the buzz it generated seemed most intense among those who want to shoot M lenses on other brands of camera. (I claim no expertise, but did a deep internet dive, on the Zeiss M-mount Ikon 35mm film camera, and the ZM lenses, in the early/mid-2010s. I have yet, however, to see a Zeiss Ikon M-mount camera, in the wild, or at a camera store.)

Perhaps it is because I started M-series shooting with a Summilux-M 50mm ASPH, and later added the hefty APO Summicron-M 75mm ASPH, but I do not find the size or mass of the Distagon 35mm ZM to be a problem. When using any of these three, I let the camera hang so that the lens is oriented toward the ground, with the strap passing over my right shoulder, so that the camera is positioned above my left hip. This is stable, and minimizes the distance that anything protrudes from my body. Within reason, the size of a lens does not matter, if it is hanging below the camera. A smaller-lighter lens balances on the camera in a way that lens facing outward, when the camera is hanging on its strap. I find myself worrying more about the hood catching on things, when the lens protrudes outward.

A personally-relevant reason that relatively large M-mount lenses do not bother me is that my right thumb, hand, wrist, and shoulder are not aging as well as those parts on my left side*. So, I would rather carry an object in my left hand, if it is as hefty as an M camera, regardless which lens is affixed. A lens can be the camera’s “add-on grip accessory,” enabling the camera body to be “run slick.” Plus, being left-eye dominant, my left hand is somewhat more efficient at bringing the camera to my left eye.

*I am left-handed, but right-armed, writing lefty, but throwing right-handed, and using large tools right-handed, so, more wear and tear, over time, on my right side.



Jul 26, 2023 at 11:04 AM
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RexGig0 wrote:
Having two 35mm lenses is something I have done, with each of the two DSLR systems I have used. One f/2 compact, and one larger/faster, in each case. It makes sense to have two 35mm M-mount lenses. (Of course, the M-mount system is a bit different, as some compact lenses are “fast,” some of the optically very best are f/2.)

Most of the Zeiss ZM line were designed for film use, and not all of them have done as well with digital M cameras. Color shift is a problem with some of them, on pre-M11 digital M, unless used for
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It’s all relative of course. As such, the Distagon is tiny, but on a Leica M it’s large. If I can’t sell it for a good price, I’ll keep it and see how much use it gets.



Jul 26, 2023 at 07:37 PM
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How about the Summarit 2.5? Not much more costly than the Voigtlander APO. I replaced my Planar 50 with the Summarit and like it much better. I really dislike that chrome hood ring so common on Zeiss and Voigtlander lenses. And the Summarit is tiny and has a focus tab.


Jul 27, 2023 at 05:58 AM
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my experience 50mm is one focal length that I use in a wide variety of circumstances. This includes shooting in low light, and executing compositions where I want strong subject separation, and soft backgrounds like portraits. Therefore for my 50mm I would choose as fast a lens as I can find/afford.

Just a thought you may want to consider...



Jul 27, 2023 at 10:06 AM
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1bwana1 wrote:
my experience 50mm is one focal length that I use in a wide variety of circumstances. This includes shooting in low light, and executing compositions where I want strong subject separation, and soft backgrounds like portraits. Therefore for my 50mm I would choose as fast a lens as I can find/afford.

Just a thought you may want to consider...


True - from my own experience a faster 50 mm is beneficial, but I shine away from anything faster than f/1.4 since the lens gets too bulky for a rangefinder camera IMO. Advantage of some vintage f/1.4 lenses is their compactness. For best subject separation I find the 75 mm FL more advantageous - like the CV 75/1.5 give you a fantastic background blur and separation wide open which you could only resemble with a 50/1.2 or wider in a similar way. But the 75 mm avoids a too bulky or heavy lens to use. As a positive side effect I encountered that I can manage > 90% of my 50 mm shots with the 75 mm FL, too. I often use now the pair of 28/35 and 75 mm FL and leave 50 mm at home.



Jul 27, 2023 at 10:26 AM
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retrofocus wrote:
True - from my own experience a faster 50 mm is beneficial, but I shine away from anything faster than f/1.4 since the lens gets too bulky for a rangefinder camera IMO. Advantage of some vintage f/1.4 lenses is their compactness. For best subject separation I find the 75 mm FL more advantageous - like the CV 75/1.5 give you a fantastic background blur and separation wide open which you could only resemble with a 50/1.2 or wider in a similar way. But the 75 mm avoids a too bulky or heavy lens to use. As a positive side effect
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That’s the great thing about the CV 50 1.5 II - it is very small.



Jul 27, 2023 at 10:51 AM
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Desmolicious wrote:
That’s the great thing about the CV 50 1.5 II - it is very small.


Also less than half the weight of a 50 Lux. I might have to get one of these in silver.


https://jacktaka.com/voigtlander-50mm-f15-ii



Jul 27, 2023 at 12:24 PM
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retrofocus wrote:
True - from my own experience a faster 50 mm is beneficial, but I shine away from anything faster than f/1.4 since the lens gets too bulky for a rangefinder camera IMO. Advantage of some vintage f/1.4 lenses is their compactness. For best subject separation I find the 75 mm FL more advantageous - like the CV 75/1.5 give you a fantastic background blur and separation wide open which you could only resemble with a 50/1.2 or wider in a similar way. But the 75 mm avoids a too bulky or heavy lens to use. As a positive side effect
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Agree 100% about the VM Nokton 75 f/1.5 ASPH. It is one of my favorite M body portrait lenses. Great colors, at wide apertures it is sharp in center and falls off beautifully to a creamy background. Stop it down and it is sharp everywhere.

By the way an exception for me is that with with Leica lenses at 50mm I actually prefer the Summicron to the Summilux sharpness, aberrations, and rendering.

Here is a sample from one of my shoots. This was shot natural light at the counter of a temporary outdoor wine bar. The background looked like a homeless encampment. The Noktoned creamed it out and made for a successful shot.





Leica M10-P, VM Nokton 75mm F/1.5 ASPH



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