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formula4speed wrote:
Well I snagged an M240 off the Buy & Sell, and I personally blame all of you for what I assume will be my financial ruin.


I loved my M240 and regret selling it. Looking back on my output over the years a great many of my absolute favorites came from my year with the M240.

It’s far from perfect but it’s also exceptional at drawing you into capturing good images. Enjoy the fling!



Jun 21, 2023 at 07:59 PM
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My M10 landed flat on it back, on brick pavers, from shoulder height, as I was climbing into my 2014 Toyota Tundra, a rather high-clearance vehicle. I am right at six feet tall, so, the drop distance was considerable. The Tenba wrap prevented actual exterior damage, but is a very thin layer of neoprene, so, could not offer much of a cushion. The momentum of my Summilux-M 50mm ASPH certainly did not help the camera, though not being an engineer, I am not sure that it made things worse.



Ouchy mama!




Jun 21, 2023 at 11:35 PM
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p.3 #3 · Help me understand Leica model differences


Desmolicious wrote:
Ouchy mama!



Ouch, indeed. I was saddened, and depressed, and very nearly backed-out of using the Leica M system. My Summilux seemed unaffected, however, as it functioned well, when I took it to Houston Camera Exchange to try it on some used or demo cameras. That is largely what led to my eventually buying a pre-owned M Type 246 Monochrom, and then a spare, pre-owned M10. Rather than quit Leica, I “got back on the horse that threw me.”



Jun 22, 2023 at 07:43 AM
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Leica tough? I never tried this myself, but I found this photo by TAMARKIN CAMERA to be encouraging 😅
http://www.tamarkin.com/why-leica-rangefinder

http://www.tamarkin.com/sites/default/files/styles/panopoly_image_full/public/general/stand_on_camera.jpg




Jun 22, 2023 at 08:05 AM
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Leica tough? I never tried this myself, but I found this photo by TAMARKIN CAMERA to be encouraging 😅
http://www.tamarkin.com/why-leica-rangefinder



That was an M6 film camera, though. Some backstory here: https://johnnymartyr.wordpress.com/2023/01/13/dan-tamarkin-stands-on-a-leica-m6/

Not sure if he'd do that to a digital M; I'm not claiming they're any less robust, but it's possible that the film cameras could take more abuse. (Edited: he does say at the end that he stands on the digital models too!)

Edited on Jun 22, 2023 at 09:30 AM · View previous versions



Jun 22, 2023 at 08:42 AM
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bjhurley wrote:
That was an M6 film camera, though (the earlier version, not the one recently re-released by Leica). Some backstory here: https://johnnymartyr.wordpress.com/2023/01/13/dan-tamarkin-stands-on-a-leica-m6/

Not sure if he'd do that to a digital M; I'm not claiming they're any less robust, but it's possible that the film cameras could take more abuse.


"In an email conversation about his performance, Tamarkin joked “This falls under the ‘Don’t try this at home, kiddies’ category.”
😉



Jun 22, 2023 at 08:44 AM
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bjhurley wrote:
That was an M6 film camera, though. Some backstory here: https://johnnymartyr.wordpress.com/2023/01/13/dan-tamarkin-stands-on-a-leica-m6/

Not sure if he'd do that to a digital M; I'm not claiming they're any less robust, but it's possible that the film cameras could take more abuse. (Edited: he does say at the end that he stands on the digital models too!)


Not an M6. M6 does not have a self timer. Looks like an M3.

edit - for the pic posted above.

Interestingly it almost looks like he is not standing on the camera, but jumping in front of it!



Jun 22, 2023 at 12:13 PM
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Desmolicious wrote:
Not an M6. M6 does not have a self timer. Looks like an M3.

edit - for the pic posted above.

Interestingly it almost looks like he is not standing on the camera, but jumping in front of it!


You might be right! Regardless, I thought it was an interesting stunt/photo--but not so interesting that I would consider dropping my Valuable Personal Property insurance for my gear

Edited on Jun 22, 2023 at 12:36 PM · View previous versions



Jun 22, 2023 at 12:34 PM
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Desmolicious wrote:
Not an M6. M6 does not have a self timer. Looks like an M3.

edit - for the pic posted above.

Interestingly it almost looks like he is not standing on the camera, but jumping in front of it!


Yeah, in the video it is definitely an M6 (the older version, not the new one) but I agree about the photo; it says "not photoshopped" but it doesn't look right. But we can see it in the video, and he says he grew up seeing Leica salesmen stand on cameras to show how sturdy they are. I don't doubt it, but standing on a camera is not the same as dropping it.



Jun 22, 2023 at 12:36 PM
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Congratulations. Enjoy your new camera.

12. Have fun. That’s the whole point….

Gordon


Some really good stuff in there, I've used zone focus in the past and it's great in certain situations and I'm looking forward to trying the rangefinder.

I recently took a 12 week course on documentary photography and it was an eye opener, one of the side effects being that I've been shooting stopped down a lot more frequently. Since I'm shooting a lot in the f/5.6-f/8 range these days I should have a little cushion if I don't nail the focus every time.

The plan is to try to carry the M240 basically everywhere. I do okay with my A7III in that regard, I also own a Ricoh GRII which I thought would make a great carry everywhere camera but I struggle with the 28mm focal length.




Jun 22, 2023 at 01:04 PM
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Don't stand on anything that has a prism.
Don't stand on anything that has teeth. Or fangs.



Jun 22, 2023 at 01:10 PM
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formula4speed wrote:
I recently took a 12 week course on documentary photography and it was an eye opener, one of the side effects being that I've been shooting stopped down a lot more frequently. Since I'm shooting a lot in the f/5.6-f/8 range these days I should have a little cushion if I don't nail the focus every time.



The thing I've concluded about zone focusing and stopping down is that since most lenses are much more similar to each other stopped down than they are wide open, your lens choice almost doesn't matter if you're mainly shooting this way. It's silly to spend lots of money on expensive fast lenses with lots of character if you're only (or mainly) going to use them stopped down. I have several 35mm lenses and the images from them are pretty much indistinguishable from each other stopped down, although their prices were different. They look very different from each other wide open, each with its own individual character. If you're mainly going to be a street shooter, I think slow, cheaper lenses will do the job just fine.



Jun 22, 2023 at 01:50 PM
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bjhurley wrote:
The thing I've concluded about zone focusing and stopping down is that since most lenses are much more similar to each other stopped down than they are wide open, your lens choice almost doesn't matter if you're mainly shooting this way. It's silly to spend lots of money on expensive fast lenses with lots of character if you're only (or mainly) going to use them stopped down.


Exactly.



Jun 22, 2023 at 04:26 PM
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p.3 #14 · Help me understand Leica model differences


bjhurley wrote:
The thing I've concluded about zone focusing and stopping down is that since most lenses are much more similar to each other stopped down than they are wide open, your lens choice almost doesn't matter if you're mainly shooting this way. It's silly to spend lots of money on expensive fast lenses with lots of character if you're only (or mainly) going to use them stopped down. I have several 35mm lenses and the images from them are pretty much indistinguishable from each other stopped down, although their prices were different. They look very different from each other wide open,
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Summicrons for the win!

I do have some very fast 50’s (1.0, 1.2 and 1.4’s but my lenses of choice are generally f2.0’s. Mostly because I just love the way that the small lenses handle on an M. Heck, my walk around and travel kit I even carry a 90mm macro instead of the Summicron. 28 CV Ultron, 50 ‘APO and 90 macro is a potent kit in a tiny bag. (actually often a pocket for the double capped extra lenses.)

Nothing wrong with a fast lens or two but generally the SUmmicrons or Elmarits are the go.

Gordon



Jun 22, 2023 at 05:19 PM
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I love the 24 2.8 Elmarit asph. A real gem....


Jun 26, 2023 at 09:03 AM
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I'm not ready for you guys to sell me on Leica lenses yet. I've got my CV 35mm f/1.7 and it's all I need right now.

I don't need anything else. I don't need anything else. I don't need anything else.

If I say it enough, maybe I'll believe it.



Jun 26, 2023 at 11:37 AM
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