gdanmitchell wrote:
SONY, too, then? And FUJIFILM?
You are misunderstanding me, I'm not talking about the logos that are written on actual products, like on a camera.
I mean the practice where Zeiss is written in capitals also in the body text. Many brands use uppercase or small-cap styles, also within plain text, in their marketing. Couple of examples, just to name a few: IKEA, NASA, UNICEF, 3M and so on. The use of all caps or small caps in regular text depends on the brand's style guide... nothing new...
Kalainen wrote:
You are misunderstanding me, I'm not talking about the logos that are written on actual products, like on a camera.
I mean the practice where Zeiss is written in capitals also in the body text. Many brands use uppercase or small-cap styles, also within plain text, in their marketing. Couple of examples, just to name a few: IKEA, NASA, UNICEF, 3M and so on. The use of all caps or small caps in regular text depends on the brand's style guide... nothing new...
Anyway, this is getting a bit irrelevant here...
I hope that you don’t have to justify spelling correctly.
Kalainen wrote:
New Loxia's could be designed so that they would function well (they should fix the old Loxias as well, I think), but I'm not seeing signs of that.
Which is really a shame I only have the Loxia 50mm. But I want to buy the Loxia 85mm and 21mm to have a lovely kit.
But as I understand it this would mean that I can use them on my old Sony A7 III body without any issues however, not on a newer Sony body
Garmadon wrote:
That is the first time I hear about those issues , I thought a manual lens will be issue-free...
So how can you use those lenses on newer bodies then ?
I wonder if I should get one for my a7c.
I use the 85 on my Sony A7r V often without issues. It is not every lens that has problems and if I have problems the lens would work if I simply taped over the electrical contacts. I would just have to select the lens profile to be added in post processing, set the focal length manually for IBIS, and I would lose EXIF data. Meaning it would function like an old SLR lens without contacts but still very usable.
zeitlos wrote:
So not all Loxias are affected?
Where can I find out which ones are? I am especially interested in the 21 and 85.
I am not saying that some focal lengths are affected and some are not. What I am saying is that some individual lenses don't show any problems. I have no problems with my Loxia 85. At work I have a 25 and a different 85 and neither of them have any problems.
tsdevine wrote:
My Loxia 85 is the least affected and my Loxia 25 is the most affected, my Loxia 21 is somewhere in between.
Only when used on my a7R V.
My Loxia 21 was purchased pretty much upon release. I've tried multiple Loxia 25's and they all had the problem. The Loxia 85 was purchased within the past year or two.
It would help if people could actually tell which lens was used in a print or on the web or…
Photographers with sharp monitors, like to zoom in and marvel at the “3D Pop/micro detail etc etc,” but then out in the real world looking at a print, no one can tell, and they don’t care either. What they care about is the content. I’ve gone to so many museums and galleries in New York, London, Paris, Los Angeles… I have personally had prints in the MOMA, Sotheby’s, etc.
No one knows or cares about the equipment used. So why spend five times more than a good lens from Sony or Canon, etc.? Especially when lots of them are manual focus.
I think the above is the real issue with selling these lenses. It’s not the fault of some YouTube reviewers. It’s the fact that nobody in the real world can tell the damn difference.
ronno wrote:
It would help if people could actually tell which lens was used in a print or on the web or…
Photographers with sharp monitors, like to zoom in and marvel at the “3D Pop/micro detail etc etc,” but then out in the real world looking at a print, no one can tell, and they don’t care either. What they care about is the content. I’ve gone to so many museums in New York, London, Paris, Los Angeles… I personally had prints in the MOMA, Sotheby’s, etc.
No one knows or cares about the equipment used. So why spend five times more than a good lens from Sony or Canon, etc.? Especially when lots of them are manual focus.
I think the above is the real issue with selling these lenses. It’s not the fault of some YouTube reviewers. It’s the fact that nobody in the real world can tell the damn difference....Show more →
I agree that content is king.
Personally, photography is getting kind of split for me. There is the practical side, which is more about just getting the image, and the art side, which is more about enjoying the process of taking the photo and enjoying the output of the finished image. Which is why sometimes I am grabbing for a lens like the Nikon 28-400, and other times I am grabbing a lens like the Zeiss 35mm f2.
I think about it similar to headphones. My Apple Airpod Pros are my most used headphones. They are convenient, have good sound and great noise canceling. But I can't deny that when I am in a quiet space and want to listen to music, my over ear wired headphones sound better to me.
Content is king, but a great lens can make a photo of mediocre content interesting. Speaking for myself and maybe others, I am not in the places of the world where great content is available. I got lots of photos of trees and old cars etc, and making them best as possible, or dare I say special, is where I tend to end up.
ronno wrote:
It would help if people could actually tell which lens was used in a print or on the web or…
Photographers with sharp monitors, like to zoom in and marvel at the “3D Pop/micro detail etc etc,” but then out in the real world looking at a print, no one can tell, and they don’t care either. What they care about is the content. I’ve gone to so many museums and galleries in New York, London, Paris, Los Angeles… I have personally had prints in the MOMA, Sotheby’s, etc.
No one knows or cares about the equipment used. So why spend five times more than a good lens from Sony or Canon, etc.? Especially when lots of them are manual focus.
I think the above is the real issue with selling these lenses. It’s not the fault of some YouTube reviewers. It’s the fact that nobody in the real world can tell the damn difference....Show more →
You make it sound like manual focus is a bad thing. For my landscape photography, I use manual focus lenses that allow me buttery smooth precise focus exactly where I want it in my image. With auto focus you are not getting this level of precision.
I agree that content is king, but why not get this content as best you can? Why spend thousands of dollars getting to a destination and then using a subpar lens. The content would be the same, but the actual result will not.
I only have the Loxia 50mm. But I want to buy the Loxia 85mm and 21mm to have a lovely kit.