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Archive 2023 · It's official: Voigtländer Nokton 50mm f/1.0 in Z mount

  
 
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p.1 #1 · It's official: Voigtländer Nokton 50mm f/1.0 in Z mount


https://nikonrumors.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Voigtlander-NOKTON-50mm-f1-Aspherical-lens-for-Nikon-Z-mount-2.jpg

Minimum focus distance 45cm! (M mount version has 90cm MFD.)

Designed exclusively for Nikon Z mount: Equipped with an optical system optimized for the image sensor of a mirrorless camera that uses the Nikon Z mount. size (Nikon DX format) mirrorless cameras.
GA (ground aspherical) lens and mechanism: The first surface of the lens uses an in-house produced GA (ground aspherical) lens. It is possible to simplify the lens configuration while ensuring high performance, and achieve both high-level image quality and a compact style while maintaining an ultra-large Stable image quality can be obtained even for distant motifs.
Information communication with the body by electronic contact: An electronic contact is mounted on the lens mount, enabling electrical communication between the lens and the body. In addition to Exif information and in-body image stabilization (3-axis), three types of focusing support functions (focusing by changing the color of the focus point frame, focusing by peaking) are provided by combining a body that supports telecommunications and the latest firmware*1. , and focusing with the zoom button).
Manual focus for reliable focus operation: The use of an all-metal helicoid unit that has been processed and adjusted with high precision and high-quality grease that produces just the right amount of torque enables focusing with a smooth operating feel .
Beautiful bokeh with 12 aperture blades: A 12-blade diaphragm is used to make the hole formed by the diaphragm blades closer to a circle. Out-of-focus areas are rendered naturally, and point light sources are not polygonal but softly rounded.

https://nikonrumors.com/2023/01/16/officially-announced-voigtlander-super-wide-heliar-15mm-f-4-5-voigtlander-nokton-50mm-f-1-mirrorless-lenses-for-nikon-z.aspx/

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Jan 16, 2023 at 03:52 PM
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p.1 #2 · It's official: Voigtländer Nokton 50mm f/1.0 in Z mount


Interesting! This is another small increment that draws me toward eventually wanting to use a Z camera. I have been using the Nokton 50mm f/1.0 VM, on Leica M, but the Z camera that most has my attention is the Z9.

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Jan 17, 2023 at 08:11 AM
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p.1 #3 · It's official: Voigtländer Nokton 50mm f/1.0 in Z mount


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Jan 17, 2023 at 08:13 AM
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p.1 #4 · It's official: Voigtländer Nokton 50mm f/1.0 in Z mount


Regarding field curvature, I hope that the redesigned optics fixed the issue that we have seen with the M mount version. If not, I might solely use it with my Ultra Thin converted Z6.

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Jan 17, 2023 at 10:44 AM
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p.1 #5 · It's official: Voigtländer Nokton 50mm f/1.0 in Z mount


I guess we have to wait for reviews to know if the "optical system optimized for the image sensor of a mirrorless camera that uses the Nikon Z mount" does reduce FC or not. If I were interested in a 50/1 lens and had a UT converted Z6, I'd consider the VM version in combination with the TZM-02 adapter.


Jan 17, 2023 at 11:41 AM
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p.1 #6 · It's official: Voigtländer Nokton 50mm f/1.0 in Z mount


Ripolini wrote:
I guess we have to wait for reviews to know if the "optical system optimized for the image sensor of a mirrorless camera that uses the Nikon Z mount" does reduce FC or not. If I were interested in a 50/1 lens and had a UT converted Z6, I'd consider the VM version in combination with the TZM-02 adapter.


I hope so. Regarding the VM version, I passed it even though I have my Z6 UT converted by Kolari Vision and two autofocus M to Z adapters (MTZ11 & TZM-02). The problem with the M version is outward bending field curvature, even on digital Leica M cameras. If Cosina did in fact modify the lens for a flatter field, they might still go for a similar field curvature characteristic. I am of course hoping they don't but if they do, then a Z camera with UT converted sensor glass may achieve a flatter plane of focus at shorter focus distances.



Jan 17, 2023 at 11:51 AM
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p.1 #7 · It's official: Voigtländer Nokton 50mm f/1.0 in Z mount


Sample pictures from Cosina:

https://www.cosina.co.jp/wp/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Z-50_10_P01uirew.jpg

https://www.cosina.co.jp/wp/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Z-50_10_P02lkiujy.jpg

The third image may actually show some reverse / outward field curvature...
https://www.cosina.co.jp/wp/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Z-50_10_P03tyges.jpg

https://www.cosina.co.jp/wp/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Z-50_10_P04uikjg.jpg

https://www.cosina.co.jp/wp/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/Z-50_10_P05rtydf-scaled.jpg




Jan 17, 2023 at 11:55 AM
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p.1 #8 · It's official: Voigtländer Nokton 50mm f/1.0 in Z mount


I compared the optical schemes of VM and Z mount versions:
https://www.cosina.co.jp/voigtlander/en/z-mount/nokton-50mm-f1-aspherical/
https://www.cosina.co.jp/voigtlander/en/vm-mount/nokton-50mm-f1-aspherical/
They appear identical. Probably, to correct the outward bending FC Cosina should adopt a more complex scheme (leading to a larger/heavier lens).



Jan 17, 2023 at 11:59 AM
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p.1 #9 · It's official: Voigtländer Nokton 50mm f/1.0 in Z mount


Ripolini wrote:
I compared the optical schemes of VM and Z mount versions:
https://www.cosina.co.jp/voigtlander/en/z-mount/nokton-50mm-f1-aspherical/
https://www.cosina.co.jp/voigtlander/en/vm-mount/nokton-50mm-f1-aspherical/
They appear identical. Probably, to correct the outward bending FC Cosina should adopt a more complex scheme (leading to a larger/heavier lens).

Right. The question is whether we can trust the optical scheme of the Z version. Did the marketing department actually get the new drawing?

If the drawings are completely identical, then what they are actually saying contradicts the drawings:
"Optics optimized for the image sensors of mirrorless cameras with the Nikon Z-mount are implemented."



Jan 17, 2023 at 12:03 PM
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p.1 #10 · It's official: Voigtländer Nokton 50mm f/1.0 in Z mount


What I am expecting out of this lens is similar to what I have experienced in other Voigtlanders like this one. A lens with multiple personalities. Soft and dreamy wide open, becoming sharper as you stop down. Wonderful and interesting rendering and colors in all cases. A great character lens for portrait and other uses.


Jan 17, 2023 at 12:23 PM
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p.1 #11 · It's official: Voigtländer Nokton 50mm f/1.0 in Z mount


I do not understand why no MTF has been published

The qi looks like it is not that dreamy wide open.



Jan 17, 2023 at 12:38 PM
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p.1 #12 · It's official: Voigtländer Nokton 50mm f/1.0 in Z mount


1bwana1 wrote:
What I am expecting out of this lens is similar to what I have experienced in other Voigtlanders like this one. A lens with multiple personalities. Soft and dreamy wide open, becoming sharper as you stop down. Wonderful and interesting rendering and colors in all cases. A great character lens for portrait and other uses.


Have you seen the tests done with the M mount version?

It is quite sharp wide open; distinctly sharper than the Leica 50mm f/0.95 Noctilux-M Asph. So, the Z mount version should be far from soft and dreamy at any aperture. At the price point Cosina has put the Nokton 50mm f/1.0 lens it should be sharp, I would add.



Jan 17, 2023 at 12:44 PM
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p.1 #13 · It's official: Voigtländer Nokton 50mm f/1.0 in Z mount


LarsHP wrote:
Have you seen the tests done with the M mount version?

It is quite sharp wide open; distinctly sharper than the Leica 50mm f/0.95 Noctilux-M Asph. So, the Z mount version should be far from soft and dreamy at any aperture. At the price point Cosina has put the Nokton 50mm f/1.0 lens it should be sharp, I would add.


Yes, I have seen many reviews and image samples of the M mount version. To me it is decently sharp in the center wide open, but not clinically so, it falls off to dreamy rather quickly as you move off center. On stopping down the center sharpens up noticeably, proving that there is softness wide open. The edges also sharpen up considerably. I consider this multiple personality a feature not a fault.



Jan 17, 2023 at 01:01 PM
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p.1 #14 · It's official: Voigtländer Nokton 50mm f/1.0 in Z mount


_Gundam_ wrote:
I do not understand why no MTF has been published

The qi looks like it is not that dreamy wide open.


Certainly there are dreamier lenses out there. This one is a good middle ground.



Jan 17, 2023 at 01:02 PM
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p.1 #15 · It's official: Voigtländer Nokton 50mm f/1.0 in Z mount


LarsHP wrote:
Right. The question is whether we can trust the optical scheme of the Z version. Did the marketing department actually get the new drawing?

If the drawings are completely identical, then what they are actually saying contradicts the drawings:
"Optics optimized for the image sensors of mirrorless cameras with the Nikon Z-mount are implemented."


As I understand it, it is possible to correct for the thicker sensor glass by subtle changes to the lens elements and their spacing that wouldn't show up on the lens diagrams. I could be wrong, however.

What I do know is that I cannot see differences between the diagrams for all the Nokton lenses that are VM and Sony E and yet the Sony E lenses perform better on an unmodified Sony camera.

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Jan 17, 2023 at 01:53 PM
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p.1 #16 · It's official: Voigtländer Nokton 50mm f/1.0 in Z mount


_Gundam_ wrote:
I do not understand why no MTF has been published

The qi looks like it is not that dreamy wide open.


CV has only published MTFs for the APO Lanthar lenses.



Jan 17, 2023 at 01:54 PM
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p.1 #17 · It's official: Voigtländer Nokton 50mm f/1.0 in Z mount


One other quick question. I assume the lens focusses in the Nikon/Pentax direction and not the Canon/Leica direction. Is that accurate.


Jan 17, 2023 at 01:57 PM
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p.1 #18 · It's official: Voigtländer Nokton 50mm f/1.0 in Z mount


The 40 1.2 for Z focuses from far to near counterclockwise. That’s the same as my f mount CV 40/2

Steve Spencer wrote:
One other quick question. I assume the lens focusses in the Nikon/Pentax direction and not the Canon/Leica direction. Is that accurate.




Jan 17, 2023 at 02:06 PM
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p.1 #19 · It's official: Voigtländer Nokton 50mm f/1.0 in Z mount




Certainly there are dreamier lenses out there. This one is a good middle ground.


To me a less dreamy lens is a plus… middle dreamy lens seems the right classification… but lets see some more shots…




Jan 17, 2023 at 02:39 PM
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p.1 #20 · It's official: Voigtländer Nokton 50mm f/1.0 in Z mount


Steve Spencer wrote:
CV has only published MTFs for the APO Lanthar lenses.


For a 2000 euro mf lens i do expect to see mtf.




Jan 17, 2023 at 02:41 PM
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