p.3 #1 · Canon LP-E6N battery-stick with OEM or is generic good enough
The charge and discharge rates, thermal runaway, and the attached BMS from that era of battery cells and manufacturing compared to the cells and bms on the lpe6, especially more recently manufactured packs, are very different, and finally the cell capacities.
There is a reason canon changed battery design…. That being said, I found in the BP511 era, the 3rd party batteries almost always lasted longer than Canon's, provided they were the good 3rd party brands. I think it was easier for 3rd party manufacturers to put in higher capacity cells perhaps (Maximal, Sterlingtek).
Yes each are pretty close in size, use two cells, has a battery management board on top, but be different in all other aspects.
I have a couple neewer lpe6n copies and they seem to work well. I do charge them using a third party charger, as it seems they go longer versus charging them in the canon chargers. It seems more difficult for 3rd party manufacturers to make LPE6 equivalents that are better, but as long as they are at least 75% of the OE batteries, I am ahead, because the batteries are typically 25% of the cost of OE.
p.3 #2 · Canon LP-E6N battery-stick with OEM or is generic good enough
TeamSpeed wrote:
I am ahead, because the batteries are typically 25% of the cost of OE.
This logic still eludes me. I'm in the field, a snowy owl is flying right at me, I press the shutter on my R5 with the 3rd party fully charged battery and it shuts off after a dozen frames or so. Yup, I saved a lot... of time having to cull through those once in a lifetime shots... that I missed. Pound wise and penny foolish.
p.3 #3 · Canon LP-E6N battery-stick with OEM or is generic good enough
armd wrote:
This logic still eludes me. I'm in the field, a snowy owl is flying right at me, I press the shutter on my R5 with the 3rd party fully charged battery and it shuts off after a dozen frames or so. Yup, I saved a lot... of time having to cull through those once in a lifetime shots... that I missed. Pound wise and penny foolish.
Well my experiences don’t match your theory. I have shot with the same batteries for over three years, the last event was 9 hours with thousands of shots, I kept two spare in my pocket, and used three for the day. It takes me all of about 15sec to change a battery as well.
I have always used third party lpe6 batteries for years now. The logic is that I can get 3-4 aftermarket batteries for each OE so what I do is keep 2 OE around and 4 aftermarket, no issues at all.
Finally it isn’t like I would surprised by the battery just dying, I can see the battery level in the VF and then it will start to blink/go red when it gets closer to the end. I see that, I pop in a new battery easy peasy!
If you have actually had that happen, you chose the wrong aftermarket battery, or something is amiss.
p.3 #4 · Canon LP-E6N battery-stick with OEM or is generic good enough
TeamSpeed wrote:
Well my experiences don’t match your theory.
Finally it isn’t like I would surprised by the battery just dying, I can see the battery level in the VF and then it will start to blink/go red when it gets closer to the end. I see that, I pop in a new battery easy peasy!
If you have actually had that happen, you chose the wrong aftermarket battery, or something is amiss.
I've used Sterling-Tek, Wasabi, Neewer, and RavPower to name a few. All of them failed within months after a few cycles. They would charge (using the Canon or associated chargers) and would read as "full" in camera. The batteries would drain rapidly in camera after a few shots (sometimes as few as a half dozen, especially in cold weather). I've never had a OEM battery act like this and personally don't think that the after market batteries offer value for critical applications. You are fortunate to have an alternative experience which differs from mine and those demonstrated in objective testing by Camnostic.
p.3 #5 · Canon LP-E6N battery-stick with OEM or is generic good enough
I know for certain I am not unique in my experiences, so maybe it is just a lottery then. I have used those same brands, and really no issues. A couple did have reduced life after a while, but still a couple hundred shots in their decreased capacities.
p.3 #6 · Canon LP-E6N battery-stick with OEM or is generic good enough
AmbientMike wrote:
The charger should cut off at the correct voltage, regardless of whether the battery has any ability to communicate with it or not. I certainly don't want any temperature sensors set off
The charger needs to give the correct charge, not too much A or to too high V, and cut off if something is wrong. I feel like the canon chargers are more likely to do that.
you can experiment - buy the most crappiest battery and stuff it into Canon OEM charger ( which is expecting to have a chipped OEM battery in it )
Dec 14, 2022 at 08:19 PM
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p.3 #7 · Canon LP-E6N battery-stick with OEM or is generic good enough
I just haven't had the issues people described using 3rd party knock on wood. Even kinda worn out, older 3rd party BP-511 that I don't know the brand that didn't show full after charging on 30D, probably gave over 1000 photos at times in heat of summer. The recent rebel battery had a safety issue since it started to swell but it didn't have capacity issues imo.
BP-511 and LP-E6 series both contain 2 li ion 18500 cells. Newer cells on the new batteries, sure, but probably not a lot of difference. If the manufacturer put good cells in, probably fine. If they put higher capacity than OEM, should last longer. If I photographed a lot in really cold I'd be more concerned but even then 3rd party might be OK.
I've always felt like Canon conservative on battery voltage charged to for safety. Need to check.
p.3 #8 · Canon LP-E6N battery-stick with OEM or is generic good enough
AmbientMike wrote:
I just haven't had the issues people described using 3rd party knock on wood. Even kinda worn out, older 3rd party BP-511 that I don't know the brand that didn't show full after charging on 30D, probably gave over 1000 photos at times in heat of summer. The recent rebel battery had a safety issue since it started to swell but it didn't have capacity issues imo.
BP-511 and LP-E6 series both contain 2 li ion 18500 cells. Newer cells on the new batteries, sure, but probably not a lot of difference. If the manufacturer put good cells in, probably fine. If they put higher capacity than OEM, should last longer. If I photographed a lot in really cold I'd be more concerned but even then 3rd party might be OK.
I've always felt like Canon conservative on battery voltage charged to for safety. Need to check....Show more →
There's two kinds of capacity. There's the amount of mAh you can get out of it immediately after charging, and there's what you'll get after its been sitting a while or after it's aged a bit. 3rd party batteries like to advertise greater capacity than OEM but that only applies when they're new and just charged. Canon is very conservative, so you'll see lower mAh ratings on their batteries. But you can bet you'll actually get that rating even after it's been sitting and after a few years of use. I can't say the same of the 3rd party batteries I've used.
p.3 #9 · Canon LP-E6N battery-stick with OEM or is generic good enough
BP511 don’t use 18500 cells, they use a lesser used cell of 18490. The BMS is very critical to liion packs as well. I build liion battery packs, and often it is the bms that fails, not the cells. This is one of the major faults of the early Ego 56v batteries, the cells were good, the bms subpar.
p.3 #10 · Canon LP-E6N battery-stick with OEM or is generic good enough
TeamSpeed wrote:
BP511 don’t use 18500 cells, they use a lesser used cell of 18490. The BMS is very critical to liion packs as well. I build liion battery packs, and often it is the bms that fails, not the cells. This is one of the major faults of the early Ego 56v batteries, the cells were good, the bms subpar.
That reminds me of LED light bulbs. They say, sure they cost a lot more, but they'll last practically forever. Ok, the LEDs might, but the cheap Chinese components driving them won't.
Dec 14, 2022 at 09:46 PM
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p.3 #11 · Canon LP-E6N battery-stick with OEM or is generic good enough
As I already mentioned, there's basically no difference between the 18490 & 18500. One is 18x49, one 18x50. One millimeter on a fairly inaccurate measurement to begin with. Little or no difference in charging the 2, or the larger 18650's for that matter. Using basically the innards of a battery charger you get on ebay, solder wires to, then test. 18650batterystore has a good description of the sizes, 18650's can vary maybe up to 5 mm in length. No guarantee that the 18490 isn't actually longer than the 18500, really.
There's one capacity imo, cheap 3rd party bare li ion batteries on ebay, for one, advertise overrated claims, i.e. 4000mah that's really more like 1200mah, if you're lucky. So I tend to ignore the mah claims on camera batteries, but as already mentioned if they put higher capacity batteries in there, can have longer life. I don't remember having issues on 3rd party self discharging in that short amount of time, I'm sure it is possible I don't think I've seen it though. Either that or I recharged soon before use. The higher power Delkin AA'S I had probably had more capacity than Eneloops, which are made to last on the shelf, and used to have less capacity from my understanding. Self discharge more of a separate issue
The lowest power battery I had was actually an apparently worn out Canon I got with a used camera. They all quit working eventually
p.3 #12 · Canon LP-E6N battery-stick with OEM or is generic good enough
armd wrote:
This logic still eludes me. I'm in the field, a snowy owl is flying right at me, I press the shutter on my R5 with the 3rd party fully charged battery and it shuts off after a dozen frames or so. Yup, I saved a lot... of time having to cull through those once in a lifetime shots... that I missed. Pound wise and penny foolish.
You buy decent third party batteries problem solved.
Sorry to say but some posters great you want to buy OEM enjoy, but these mirrorless cameras chew through cells quickly, days of 1 spare are long over if you are not using DSLR (or shooting video)
Add up 4-5 batteries and suddenly it starts to get expensive, and that money could be spent on something else
p.3 #13 · Canon LP-E6N battery-stick with OEM or is generic good enough
Pinky Boy wrote:
You buy decent third party batteries problem solved.
Sorry to say but some posters great you want to buy OEM enjoy, but these mirrorless cameras chew through cells quickly, days of 1 spare are long over if you are not using DSLR (or shooting video)
Add up 4-5 batteries and suddenly it starts to get expensive, and that money could be spent on something else
"decent third party batteries"
Like the brands recommended here that have all come up short for me?
Not everyone goes through 4-5 batteries in a day. It's rare than I'll go through more than two. If you're regularly going through 4-5 batteries a day, I hope you're making money off photography and can pay for the batteries.
p.3 #14 · Canon LP-E6N battery-stick with OEM or is generic good enough
Mike_5D wrote:
"decent third party batteries"
Like the brands recommended here that have all come up short for me?
Not everyone goes through 4-5 batteries in a day. It's rare than I'll go through more than two. If you're regularly going through 4-5 batteries a day, I hope you're making money off photography and can pay for the batteries.
One word "video" eats batteries and no a spare or 2 isn't going to cut it
I've used a few good brands Nitecore is one their cells have held up just as good as any OEM, mostly because they are using the same cell as the OEM
p.3 #15 · Canon LP-E6N battery-stick with OEM or is generic good enough
@Mike_5D It's all how you're using the gear. Certainly video will use a lot more battery than stills. It's like shooting in live view all the time. When I did that with my 1DXII, I'd get maybe 150-200 shots before changing the battery. But I've gotten over 8,000 actuations on the same battery in a situation where I was constantly shooting action (it was practically non-stop) and had little to no time to review images.
As for 'decent third party batteries' that is the whole point of this thread. How do you know what is good and what is cr*p browsing Amazon listings, etc.?
Pinky Boy wrote:
I've used a few good brands Nitecore is one their cells have held up just as good as any OEM, mostly because they are using the same cell as the OEM
Thanks for the Nitecore tip. I have one of their USB chargers and they seem like a decent brand/company.
p.3 #16 · Canon LP-E6N battery-stick with OEM or is generic good enough
Another FM member recently warned me about a new troll who has entered this discussion, FWIW. Perhaps "hide" and don't engage?
Regarding the OEM versus third-party question, at this point I think everyone has heard all sides. There's enough information out there to decide whether it is worth it to take chances on them or not. Some will and some won't. Their choice.
p.3 #17 · Canon LP-E6N battery-stick with OEM or is generic good enough
FWIW I have (2) Canon LPE6nh and (4) Neewer used interchangeably in R, R5 and R7. I do almost no video, so can't speak to that workload, but with still shots I see no difference in life, charge speed, shots per charge or shelf-life. Obviously, some have had different experiences. If I'm grabbing a battery, I probably grab the Neewer first because the green "charged" window on the cap is a little easier for my old eyes to see.
p.3 #18 · Canon LP-E6N battery-stick with OEM or is generic good enough
Eh, I've been using STK batteries since the original 5D classic up to my current EOS R bodies...I've never had any Canon batteries besides the ones that came with the cameras.
I've had a couple of dozen of them. In the last three years, I've been using them a lot in video, so I need a good number available. I've got six in rotation right now. None of them has ever caused me a problem, and I've got some that have been in use longer than any of my Canon batteries have lasted.
p.3 #19 · Canon LP-E6N battery-stick with OEM or is generic good enough
I’ve been using Newer LPE6nh equivalent battery and dual charger for a year and I can only recommend it.
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Canon chargers are ridiculous, they should have a compact dual charger by default. The batteries perform amazingly considering the price. You might not get the same fps as a canon battery but I have to say I couldn’t really notice as even canon ones drop the high fps below a certain threshold.
I also have a 30w powerbank which i never use as 3 batteries are good for a day of wildlife shooting in mild winter.
I’m considering getting the newer triple charger and get rid of the powerbank to save weight.
Dec 15, 2022 at 10:57 PM
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p.3 #20 · Canon LP-E6N battery-stick with OEM or is generic good enough
rscheffler wrote:
Thanks for the Nitecore tip. I have one of their USB chargers and they seem like a decent brand/company.
Haven't used, but Nitecore is a good brand imo. I'd be hesitant to use a random 3rd party charger but Nitecore is probably good. Popular flashlight brand.
