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It's not about the sensor - although it is very good - it's the lenses. There's nothing in the "full frame" world that resolves fine image detail with the fidelity and sharpness that the GF lenses are capable of. Some of the Leica SL and Panasonic S Pro lenses come close, but everything else is a major letdown after using the GFX system (and I've tried pretty well all of them by now... I wish I had your restraint.)



It's about the lenses and the sensor. The sensor has very good detail rendering, dynamic range and tonality (especially skin tones, which makes the GFX, or any similar MF system, great for portraiture). The lenses are also incredibly sharp and combined with the sensor make compelling focal length/aperture combinations that cause images to "pop" in a way that is more difficult to achieve with a FF (or smaller) sensor. Obviously fashion and high end portrait photographers have been using MF backs and lenses for decades now as it has certain advantages in studio work. But smaller cameras are also frequently used. Lighting, concept, direction, styling, composition, all of those come together to make a compelling photograph regardless of what camera and lens you use.




Jan 19, 2023 at 02:39 PM
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Two things can simultaneously be true:

1. The miniMF format and the cameras and lenses that use it, when compared to smaller formats, have the potential to produce greater system resolution*, lower noise levels at a given ISO, different DOF at a given aperture, and so forth.

2. The difference in the final photographic output may or may not be significant or even visible. When it is, it may make sense to use a larger format system.

*A lens with some lp/mm resolution can produce greater image resolution on the larger sensor since it has "more millimeters to hold line pairs." It isn't so much that the lenses are necessarily better — this varies — but that a larger format can produce more detail in a photograph at a given reproduction size with equally "sharp" lenses based on the format size alone.



Jan 19, 2023 at 04:46 PM
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I'm flying Saturday down to Palm Desert-Springs/Salton Sea/Joshua Tree NP for a couple weeks. I'll be taking the 100S with my new GF35-70 and A1 with the 135 Batis as my primary landscape combo. They fit nicely together in my Billingham FStop 1.4 bag.

The 100S & A1 worked really well together in London last May. I work in 8K resolution format for my wife's video production of our trips. She does 4K now but is set up to reproduce the videos in 8K in the future. The A1's 50MP gives me OK elbow room for cropping & formatting but the 102 MPs of the 100S is a luxury I enjoy and benefit from.




Jan 19, 2023 at 05:40 PM
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How do you prefer to calculate how much light a lens “collects”?



There is no preference ...just science. You have a scene in front of the camera. The scene emits light that our camera needs to collect. The light emitted from our subject is a constant and won't change whatever we hold in front of it. Our cameras/lenses need project that available light from our scene to the film/sensor. Same amount of light to a larger area results in less brightness.

It's just the same as if you have a flashlight where you can narrow or spread your beam. The narrower it is the brighter the beam and vice versa.

That's why a four times larger sensor need four times the amount of light for same brightness.



Jan 23, 2023 at 07:20 AM
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There is no preference ...just science. You have a scene in front of the camera. The scene emits light that our camera needs to collect. The light emitted from our subject is a constant and won't change whatever we hold in front of it. Our cameras/lenses need project that available light from our scene to the film/sensor. Same amount of light to a larger area results in less brightness.

It's just the same as if you have a flashlight where you can narrow or spread your beam. The narrower it is the brighter the beam and vice versa.

That's why a four
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Sure. True. But not really relevant to photography or how exposure works. Changing formats has no impact on *exposure*. The only practical application of looking at it this way is to explain why larger formats need larger lenses. But once those lenses are in place already and assuming you're prepared to carry them, exposure is identical. Aperture, as a function of focal length already takes what you're saying into account. If a lens of any size and a sensor of any size sees the same scene then exposure will be exactly identical, assuming any loss due to the system is the same.

The flow of photons from a scene is constant. So it's not like we need to do anything to get a faster flow and we don't use lasers as our light source so we also don't need to worry about the spread to cover a larger angle of view. You need lenses with a larger entrance pupil to cover the sensor so all the extra gathering is done by the system with ZERO input on your part except choosing aperture, which is ratio not a measurement.

I can only think of one example wher you would need to even consider this. Light painting. Other than that I see little point in doing the math. Actually I wouldn't do the math here either. I'd guess and have a good time.

So when you hold a m43 and 24x36mm camera with equivalent field of view in front of a scene the exposure is the same. The function of aperture (focal length/diameter) does the physics and maths for you and four times as much light will hit the sensor without any intervention on your part. If you had to do something different regarding exposure this would matter but you don't.

Photographers work with exposure. That's a constant. It's there so we don't have to do this kind of math.

Gordon



Jan 23, 2023 at 04:25 PM
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So when you hold a m43 and 24x36mm camera with equivalent field of view in front of a scene the exposure is the same. The function of aperture (focal length/diameter) does the physics and maths for you and four times as much light will hit the sensor without any intervention on your part. If you had to do something different regarding exposure this would matter but you don't.

Photographers work with exposure. That's a constant. It's there so we don't have to do this kind of math.

Gordon


Yup. And hence this is why handheld light meters, which we've been using for decades, do not require you to input the size of your sensor or film stock.




Jan 23, 2023 at 05:19 PM
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It's amazing how people can fail to understand such a basic concept. Why do you think larger sensors give less noise at a certain exposure? Is it magic, or just a coincidence?


Jan 24, 2023 at 05:46 AM
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If we try to aim the discussion back towards the "GFX 100s for travel" topic. What I was trying to point out is that the 100S and GF 20-35/4 is actually not that big or heavy compared to the best camera + ultra-wide lens in the X-system (H2S+8-16/2.8). An X-E4 +10-24/4 would probably not be my alternative when considering GFX for travel.

Just consider the GF 110mm f/2. Would any sane person suggest the comparable lens in the X system is the XF 50mm f/2 …the same aperture, right?



Jan 24, 2023 at 08:13 AM
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hauxon wrote:
If we try to aim the discussion back towards the "GFX 100s for travel" topic. What I was trying to point out is that the 100S and GF 20-35/4 is actually not that big or heavy compared to the best camera + ultra-wide lens in the X-system (H2S+8-16/2.8). An X-E4 +10-24/4 would probably not be my alternative when considering GFX for travel.

Just consider the GF 110mm f/2. Would any sane person suggest the comparable lens in the X system is the XF 50mm f/2 …the same aperture, right?


Re: GF 20-35 f4. Its field of view is equivalent to a 16-27mm lens on a FF sensor. Only considering field of view, the more comparable X-system lens would be the 10-24 (equivalent to 15-36 on a FF sensor). The XF 8-16 is quite a bit wider on the wide end.

Re: GF 110 f2. It depends what you mean by "comparable". What are you trying to compare? Field of view, minimum depth of field? If I had to "replace" the GF lens with an XF lens then I would choose the XF 56 f1.2, not 50 f2.

If I had to take a travel kit that gave me roughly the same results as a GFX camera (kind of an odd hypothetical, but let's go with it) then I'd choose a higher resolution sensor, not a stacked sensor. So I would take an XT5 or an XH2.



Jan 24, 2023 at 09:55 AM
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hauxon wrote:
If we try to aim the discussion back towards the "GFX 100s for travel" topic. What I was trying to point out is that the 100S and GF 20-35/4 is actually not that big or heavy compared to the best camera + ultra-wide lens in the X-system (H2S+8-16/2.8). An X-E4 +10-24/4 would probably not be my alternative when considering GFX for travel.

Just consider the GF 110mm f/2. Would any sane person suggest the comparable lens in the X system is the XF 50mm f/2 …the same aperture, right?


I suppose that it matters how your prefer to travel.

If you travel "heavy" — multiple checked bags, etc — then the larger system probably seems like less of an imposition.

On the other hand, if you prefer to travel "light" — and follow the one carry-on-bag-only school of travel, then adding that much bulk and weight seems not worth it.

And all of this is affected by what you are trying to do photographically when you travel (street or landscape? if your travel mostly about photography, or is it mostly about the travel), and also perhaps the destination of your travel and the role that photography plays in it.

It is also fair to ask about the ultimate use of the photographs. If you are in a position to market your images professionally to high-quality travel publications and/or advertising campaigns, you might think of this differently than someone who will share the photos with friends and family.



Jan 24, 2023 at 12:30 PM
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hauxon wrote:
If we try to aim the discussion back towards the "GFX 100s for travel" topic. What I was trying to point out is that the 100S and GF 20-35/4 is actually not that big or heavy compared to the best camera + ultra-wide lens in the X-system (H2S+8-16/2.8). An X-E4 +10-24/4 would probably not be my alternative when considering GFX for travel.

Just consider the GF 110mm f/2. Would any sane person suggest the comparable lens in the X system is the XF 50mm f/2 …the same aperture, right?


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Re: GF 20-35 f4. Its field of view is equivalent to a 16-27mm lens on a FF sensor. Only considering field of view, the more comparable X-system lens would be the 10-24 (equivalent to 15-36 on a FF sensor). The XF 8-16 is quite a bit wider on the wide end.

Re: GF 110 f2. It depends what you mean by "comparable". What are you trying to compare? Field of view, minimum depth of field? If I had to "replace" the GF lens with an XF lens then I would choose the XF 56 f1.2, not 50 f2.

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Personally I'm probably somewhere in between. I'd choose an XT5 over my XH2 for size but I wouldn't take a 50mm f1.0 (which I don't actually own) because than I may as well take the GFX. The whole point of a smaller sensor is that the system becomes more portable. Or has something unique that other systems can't offer. If I were to choose to take my 8-16 over my 10-24 it'd be because I want the extra coverage. I must have a unicorn of a 10-24 as my copy is REALLY good. So it's not a matter of IQ, even. I might take a smaller system because I want MORE apparent DoF for a given exposure, which is a real advantage of smaller systems.

As of Friday last week I now have my foot in every mainstream mirrorless system (I bought a Canon R5). Some would call it a problem. I call it a hobby. Whan I look at each system as a whole I see subtle but distinct reasons to chaoose all or any of them. There is no doubt that there's a small improvent in IQ as sensor sizes increase but very little real world differences between sensors of the same size. It's also true that for a given bag weight you can carry more flexibility in a smaller sensor system. That difference may be smaller or larger depending on brand and personal choices but it's there.

The GFX is a stunning travel system, with limitations in weight and flexibility. *Personally* I think the 250 is too big as a travel lens. And to a lesser extent the 110. But you can get really good coverage from 20-200 (16-160 equiv) with three zooms. Add a fast prime 80mm 1.7 or the upcoming 55 and you're golden. Some will carry more. Some will carry less. Maybe a body and three primes is all you need. But *for me* the 20-35, 45-100, 100-200 and the 80 is almost ideal for 90% of my travel needs.

Where I can and when it suits I personally will carry a mini MF system for travel. I lke the files. I like the format. 90% of what I shoot is covered by these systems. I actually much prefer my X2D/907x cameras over the GFX100S but I mostly travel with the Fuji because of the zooms. Especially the 20-35, which was a big deal for the GFX system. It's fabulous. And I know I'm happy with the weight on my shoulders/hips for a full day out.

The X system suits me for a few specific reasons. I like the XT controls. It's MUCH easier to sling an XT5 with a SIgma 35mm over my shoulder than a GFX and a 63mm for a night out where photography isn't the primary purpose. Also the 1.4 lens will give me more DoF/higer shutter/lower ISO (pick your poison) than a 24x36mm system would, which I like at night. Finally there is nothing I have seen like the 150-600 (which I need/want in July). To have that reach and exposure I can't find anything unless I go for a 400 2.8 w' 2x or 600 f4 w' TC's. The trip I'm taking in July won't allow those lenses (too heavy) and they're not flexible like a zoom. The GFX certainly can't do that. And the zooms are f4, which is going to be an issue when I trek to the mountain gorillas. Hence the R5 and 28-70 f2.0.

Travel photography isn't a thing like *sports*, where the requirements are quite plain. Travel can be portraits, architecture, landscapes, street, wildlife, underwater, mountaineering. You're probably not going to need a 600 f4 hiking to base camp and you probably have limited use for a fisheye in the Serrengetti. I would speculate most people who have a GFX system also have something lighter and more flexible. But they always want to take the GFX becuase of the IQ and usability when they know it'll be easier with an XT2 and they don't usually print big enough to really see much difference. But they take the GFX, just in case. This is me, more often than not. Super high IQ is the lure of the GFX but I've left my mini MF systems at home and still been pleased with the photos I took. OTOH when I look back *I* see the differences.

There's also how you see the world. What's your vision? Some people are focused to a single prime. Really doesn't matter if all you have is one body and a 50 equivalent slung over your shoulder. Other have a bag of zooms. Some shoot wide open and others at f8. Some have a camera over each shoulder and nothing else. We have different budgets. Is it feasable to have a second GFX body on your once in a life time trip? How much stuff will the airline let you take? Or is this a car trip and you have five systems in the boot? What are your physical limitations? Not everyone can carry 4kg all day long. Not every one wants to.

Sure, we'd all like a system with the size of an OM-1, the IQ of the GFX100, the AF of an R5 and the price of a coffee. But that's not a reality and the only constant in gear choice will be compromise. Mostly though these compromises are in our heads because the most important tool for travel photography is the one holding the camera.

I have 5 big trips in the next 12 months and another 5 smaller ones booked. Italy, Tanzania and Uganda, Mongolia, India and Iceland. The gear I take to each one will be radically different to the others. Because that's what travel photography is. Laying out everything you have on a bed and then picking the best kit for the job, you can. If you're lucky you get to splurge on an extra lens you've always wanted.

Talking about sensors is fun but really not the most important thing for travelling.

Gordon

p.s. My Africa trip is in 4 months and I've been planning gear for it for at least the last two..... So there's that.



Jan 24, 2023 at 04:40 PM
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I suppose that it matters how your prefer to travel.

If you travel "heavy" — multiple checked bags, etc — then the larger system probably seems like less of an imposition.

On the other hand, if you prefer to travel "light" — and follow the one carry-on-bag-only school of travel, then adding that much bulk and weight seems not worth it.

And all of this is affected by what you are trying to do photographically when you travel (street or landscape? if your travel mostly about photography, or is it mostly about the travel), and also perhaps the destination of your travel and
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True.

I travelled to Myanmar (Burma) a couple of years ago in a small photography group. One of our group had 6kg. In total. Including cameras, clothes. Everything. He shot with a Leica M Monochrom and three lenses. Persoanlly I don't know how he didn't miss shooting in colour as that's one of my overriding things from the trip. But it suited him fine and his shots were beautiful. One of the group had so much luggage they needed to use his baggage allowance on one of the internal flights!!

One member of our group has a GFX100 (not S) and a swag of glass. Files were sublime but I'm not sure if they were *better* than the Monochrom images. Two photographers at the opposite end of the scale who both brought the right gear. I had my S1R, SIgma 14-24, Leica 24-90 and Panasonic 70-200 plus a 50 and 90mm primes. 90% of that trip was shot on the 14-24, 50 and 90. So much so I stopped carrying the two zooms about halfway through the trip. Apparently I was the middle ground...

Choosing gear is different for everybody. Take the advice but make your own choices.

Gordon



Jan 24, 2023 at 04:54 PM
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Just out of curiosity, there wasn't someone named Oliver on your trip, was there? I have a friend who does a lot of photography there and who leads tours to interesting places.

Dan

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True.

I travelled to Myanmar (Burma) a couple of years ago in a small photography group. One of our group had 6kg. In total. Including cameras, clothes. Everything. He shot with a Leica M Monochrom and three lenses. Persoanlly I don't know how he didn't miss shooting in colour as that's one of my overriding things from the trip. But it suited him fine and his shots were beautiful. One of the group had so much luggage they needed to use his baggage allowance on one of the internal flights!!

One member of our group has a GFX100 (not S) and
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Jan 24, 2023 at 10:22 PM
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Just out of curiosity, there wasn't someone named Oliver on your trip, was there? I have a friend who does a lot of photography there and who leads tours to interesting places.

Dan



No. No Olivers. This particular trip was organised by Nick Rains from the Leica Acadamie in Australia. I've done a few trips with Nick and the';re highly reccomended if you like to go to interesting places, meet interesting people and then shoot them... Seriously though. If you want to travel in a small photography focused group with occasional special access and real time to get some great shots, tours like Nick's a re highly reccomended. These aren't your 15 countries in three days rush. They're specialty trips that focus on two or three things that you can really get your teeth into. I'm travelling with him again in November.

If you can afford them, photo tours are the way to go for photographers. They're immersive in that you are there with a small group of photo nerds who all understand you might need an extra 3 mins to get the shot. Who share ideas and tips. I was a working photographer for over 30 years and I steal ideas and inspiration on these trips every day. And K, who is *not a photographer* (she's a full time artist and now carries a two body camera kit, so she really IS a photographer regardless of her protests) loves them. I took her on a Leica trip to Burma with me and now she's addicted. For that trip she had her PenF and a few zoom lenses. I loaned her a couple of primes for that trip and now she shoots primes where ever possible. So they're partner friendly and for all levels of skill and experience. Just don't expect to get away taking them only once.

The second best way is to get a hire car or camper and just explore. I guess we've all done this at some point.

If we go back to gear selection for a sec. Unless I'm on the above two types of trips, I find carrying lots of stuff pointless. I did a cruise to New Zealand last year. New Zealand is a photographers paradise. And yet the most useful combo was my new XT5 and 18-135 superzoom. We were really moving around too fast to shoot anything meaningfully. Mostly the X2D stayed in the safe. I really wished I'd taken the GFX instead of the X2D because the zooms would have been invaluable. But once I relaxed and just enjoyed ot for what it was the XT5 was more than adequate. Gear choice needs to be dictated by the trip. As good as a GFX might be, sometimes it's the wrong choice. We used this trip as a bit of a planner trip. We're going back in 2024 (2023 is full...) and getting a camper for a month, at least. We did something sililar in Ireland in 2019 and it was simply fabulous.

To make up for a couple of years of lockdown (which I didn't mind, honestly) we're definitely going for broke this year. 5 photo trips organised in the next 13 months, including one with Nick Rains and a couple with companies I haven't travelled with before. Plus a couple of local excursions and self guided trips. I started working on gear lists for each of them months ago.... And they're all going to be quite different. As will be the cameras and lenses I take. That's why this topic is interesting to me. Preparing for a big trip is front and centre at the moment. I have some really good ones in 2023.

Gordon



Jan 25, 2023 at 03:30 PM
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Personally I'm probably somewhere in between. I'd choose an XT5 over my XH2 for size but I wouldn't take a 50mm f1.0 (which I don't actually own) because than I may as well take the GFX. The whole point of a smaller sensor is that the system becomes more portable. Or has something unique that other systems can't offer. If I were to choose to take my 8-16 over my 10-24 it'd be because I want the extra coverage. I must have a unicorn of a 10-24 as my copy is REALLY good. So it's not a matter of IQ,
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Yeah, I agree... as has been said many times before, it comes down to what you like to shoot and what you're willing to haul. The OP said their FF Sony kit was already too big, so the answer is pretty clear. The restrictions of GFX will literally *outweigh* the benefits.

For some people, that extra bulk is worth it. Some people like tinkering with gear and have the money to do it and that's their hobby -- some people tinker with high end cars, some people collect watches, some people tinker with their boat.

But a compelling photo can be taken with any camera, and I think that travel photography in particular is very "forgiving" when it comes to this. By that I mean you're already rolling a lot of dice with travel work...you might arrive to a location with poor weather, or bad light, or people who don't want you there. Therefore, in my opinion it's not as critical to have the "best" gear from a technical standpoint.



Jan 25, 2023 at 04:46 PM
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I still know plenty of people that do daily work and travel with 5D Mark whatevers. Are they bigger/heavier/older than gear I'd want to take? Sure. Are these people paying their mortgages with these clunkers? Yep. It's not about the camera, and hasn't been in many years.


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