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RoamingScott wrote:
Well, you aren't comparing apples to apples, so yes, the variable aperture 27-82mm equivalent Fuji is markedly smaller.

The 18-55 serves the exact same purpose in my kit as the 24-105 did. So for me, they are apples to apples.

But I get that they are not apples to apples for everyone, especially those who use the lens more at the extremes of its range.

Sony does make a 28-70 f3.5-5.6, which isn't remarkably bigger than the Fuji. Definitely a more accurate analogue, though probably not on the radar of most people who are shooting with an A7RIV.
Dec 08, 2022 at 05:35 PM
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p.3 #2 · GFX 100s for travel


Sony's 28-60 is closer to the 18-55 as their lightweight compact mid range zoom, and it's smaller than the Fuji Just slap on an R body and you have more effective reach than Fuji. Sony is a very unique mount that can be as heavy or as light as you want, and is easily the most flexible mount.
Dec 08, 2022 at 06:08 PM
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p.3 #3 · GFX 100s for travel


DonInTheUSA wrote:
The ideal combination of perspectives for me goes all the way 15mm to 400mm, but, clearly that isn't realistic.

This is realistic in an X system camera, though...

10-24, 16-80, 70-300 and you have it covered.

XH2, XH2s, XT5, or even the XT4 so that you have IBIS and you won't need a tripod except for long exposure needs.

In GFX, you can't meet the long end (not even close right now) without using an adapted lens of some kind, and it would have to go up to about 525mm to meet the 400mm that you mention. Whatever solution it is, it will be a large kit.

I currently have this:

23mm
32-64mm
50mm
100-200mm
250mm plus 1.4TC (This lens and TC is about equivalent to a 300mm lens on 35mm)

Plus two 50R bodies and batteries, filters, etc.

As I mentioned, the kit won't fit in the largest Shimoda backpack. Part of the problem is that the lens barrels are thick enough that most of the camera bags out there can barely accommodate the lenses in the cubbyholes that they have designed the bags with, so fitting is a bit strained, to say the least.

If you want to go minimalist, you could go with a single body and then a 32-64 or the 45-100 as the single lens. For portraits, you could go with the 80mm or the 100mm and the body. It isn't terrible at that point, but it will still be 2x the size and weight of an X camera with the basic 18-55 or the 16-80 lenses or a portrait lens like the 50mm.

For a small single camera package, a GFX won't be too bad, but as a system, it gets to be a lot very quickly, unfortunately.
Dec 08, 2022 at 06:33 PM
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I have had a Sony body in my house since the A7 and the RX1 and I have struggled with the colors. I would take the 35-70 and a gfx body anyway.

My a7r2 is glued to the 70-400 for the occasional reach. Haven’t had the need to upgrade the body as the dr has not improved since the a7r!

Unless a lens has a G or GM they are full
Of compromises. That’s another issue. Except maybe the Zeiss 55 and the loxias

RoamingScott wrote:
Sony's 28-60 is closer to the 18-55 as their lightweight compact mid range zoom, and it's smaller than the Fuji Just slap on an R body and you have more effective reach than Fuji. Sony is a very unique mount that can be as heavy or as light as you want, and is easily the most flexible mount.

https://i.imgur.com/0UAOH5j.jpg
Dec 09, 2022 at 12:17 AM
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p.3 #5 · GFX 100s for travel


RoamingScott wrote:
Sony's 28-60 is closer to the 18-55 as their lightweight compact mid range zoom, and it's smaller than the Fuji Just slap on an R body and you have more effective reach than Fuji. Sony is a very unique mount that can be as heavy or as light as you want, and is easily the most flexible mount.

https://i.imgur.com/0UAOH5j.jpg

It is definitely a flexible mount and that's part of what makes it very appealing. And you make a very good point about the resolution allowing for more "reach" when cropped.

On the other hand, the resolution and the expense of the camera practically "begs" the use of larger, heavier, more expensive lenses. The 28-60 is a budget kit lens often sold with the A7C, while the A7R is usually marketed as a kit with a G lens.

Of course, you could mount a lot of lenses onto it which is what makes it appealing, but why would you? Other than to demonstrate that a FF kit can be just as compact as an APS-C kit.
Dec 09, 2022 at 08:48 AM
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DonInTheUSA wrote:
The way I see it, if I add GFX to the mix it would be for very specialized trips. Two scenarios that come to mind are exotic landscapes I'm unlikely to visit more than once, and places where people portraiture will be on offer, especially amongst cultures unfamiliar (exotic) to me and people that I consider to be beautiful. Not to say APS-C or FF cameras can't handle these, but these are 2 areas where the GFX shines & they also happen to be of interest to me.

Well Don, your specialized trip notion is a solid reason to go get that 100S and 35-70 kit lens right now. They are each on sale for $500 off, that hasn't happened before.

And please disregard Dan's warning about the mandatory tripod use to get the best out of the 102 MP sensor. He often gives authoritative judgements on equipment he doesn't own or use. I'm a very critical pixel peeper and I max out the 100S sensor with the Ibis by keeping the shutter speed at 1/focal length while hand holding. I'm 68. I would however advise investing in a quality monopod and tilt head for those times when coffee consumption is up or light levels are down ;-)




Dec 09, 2022 at 03:15 PM
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I think we're converging on the idea that we need to know a lot more about the OP's photography, at least if we go with a "traveling to do photography" idea about "travel photography," and not the "photography white I'm traveling" idea.

I think what you are talking about is more like "traveling to a place where I can do wildlife photography. Recently I traveled to the east coast of the US to photograph New England fall color — that was "traveling to a place where I could do landscape photography." Like you, I carried a lot of gear: a complete FF...Show more →

Apologies. I meant to type "just under 4kg, plus the 80mm." But that's not what I typed. So I apologise for misleading. Just under 4kg includes the body, three zooms, no hoods, Kase filter ring and magnetic cap on each lens plus 4 Kase 82mm filters and one spare battery, as measured on my scales at home. That's my main base. To that I add specialty lenses, a tripod (I have several) or monopod and a bag (usually a Wandred backpack), which has a remote and a rocket blower.

I have carried my 5.5-6kg bag all over the world. That's 4kg of gear plus bag and accessories. All day. It's kind of my personal threshold. But if I need to adding another 3-4kg for a few hours is fine. But that's me. I don't pretend it's for everyone.

Generally if I travel, photography is a primary goal. But for my last trip to New Zealand with some friends, which wasn't photography based, I still took an X2D, 21, 30, 35-75, 55, 90 and 135 plus an XH2 and 150-600, 18-135 and 10-24. Mostly I carried the X2D, zoom and 135. But mixed it up on other days. The GFX would have been a better kit but I wanted to play with my new toys. Also picked up an XT5 during the trip.

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Dec 09, 2022 at 03:57 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
Sony's 28-60 is closer to the 18-55 as their lightweight compact mid range zoom, and it's smaller than the Fuji Just slap on an R body and you have more effective reach than Fuji. Sony is a very unique mount that can be as heavy or as light as you want, and is easily the most flexible mount.

https://i.imgur.com/0UAOH5j.jpg

Your example is missing 25mm at the long end and an aperture ring.....

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Dec 09, 2022 at 04:02 PM
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Welp - GAS won out and I am getting the 35-70 in addition to the 32-64. The current sale is too good to resist. I don't *need* it but it's so light and compact that it'll make a nice one lens walkaround with the 100S when carrying something a little chunky isn't a problem.


Dec 09, 2022 at 04:24 PM
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18mm on Fuji is 27mm on FF.

flash wrote:
Your example is missing 25mm at the long end and an aperture ring.....

Gordon
Dec 09, 2022 at 06:34 PM
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The 18-55 is also optically stabilized, and has a metal body.

As far as optical quality, I heard the 28-60 was very good for a kit lens, as is the 18-55, so I'm not sure it's worth pixel peeping.

I think it's often kind of a futile exercise to try to find "apples to apples" lenses on two different systems. Rarely are there two systems with two different lenses with the exact same characteristics.

It would be great if Fuji updated its midrange zoom lenses. The build quality and image quality are great on the f2.8 version, but I'm sure people would welcome a smaller, lighter version (XC branded perhaps?).


Dec 09, 2022 at 07:04 PM
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goodbokeh wrote:
Well Don, your specialized trip notion is a solid reason to go get that 100S and 35-70 kit lens right now. They are each on sale for $500 off, that hasn't happened before.

And please disregard Dan's warning about the mandatory tripod use to get the best out of the 102 MP sensor. He often gives authoritative judgements on equipment he doesn't own or use. I'm a very critical pixel peeper and I max out the 100S sensor with the Ibis by keeping the shutter speed at 1/focal length while hand holding. I'm 68. I would however advise investing in...Show more →

I would split the difference between IBIS–vs–TRIPOD if you want perfect sharpness in the far corners of every image when pushing the shutter speed limits with IBIS. Most of us have some rotational movement when handholding, and at slower shutter speeds (~1/30 sec. or slower), the movement speed of the far corners of the large-ish 44x33 sensor can be very hard for IBIS to perfectly compensate for. When shooting handheld at slower shutter speeds, I often shoot 3-4 images to make sure I get one of them without micro-blur in one or more corners.
Dec 09, 2022 at 07:53 PM
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liggy wrote:
Welp - GAS won out and I am getting the 35-70 in addition to the 32-64. The current sale is too good to resist. I don't *need* it but it's so light and compact that it'll make a nice one lens walkaround with the 100S when carrying something a little chunky isn't a problem.

The 100S plus 35-70 is light and small. If you only carry that, it will obviously seem lighter than an A7 or X camera with a bag full of lenses.
Dec 09, 2022 at 07:56 PM
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RoamingScott wrote:
18mm on Fuji is 27mm on FF.



The Fuji goes to an equivalent of 85mm. And extra 25mm of reach over the Sony you listed.

Gordon
Dec 10, 2022 at 12:38 AM
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goodbokeh wrote:
And please disregard Dan's warning about the mandatory tripod use to get the best out of the 102 MP sensor. He often gives authoritative judgements on equipment he doesn't own or use.

No one said that at ripped is "mandatory." However, if resolution (and ideal framing) is your goal and the higher detail potent of the 100MP sensor is part of what attracts you, in order to take full advantage of the highest resolution a tripod is pretty useful. It takes a pretty high standard of camera stability to take full advantage of the resolution potential of a high res camera system. That doesn't mean — obviously — that you cannot shoot such a system handheld or that there aren't other potential advantages (smaller noise "grains" size, somewhat smoother gradients, etc.) but it does suggest looking carefully and what and how you photograph.

I get a bit tired of the "My Camera Is The Perfect Solution To Everyone Else's Problems" approach. There are very good reasons why companies like Fujifilm produce more than one camera format, and it isn't just about cost. It is about suitability for uses and users.

As to your point that I do not use a GFX 100s, that is indeed correct. But that kind of comment – offered up as an argument closer — is naive. Let me explain it to you.

1. In many cases people actually understand the tradeoffs among different camera features. A person cannot own every example of every brand of gear, but that doesn't negate their knowledge of principles that apply. And in some cases they actually carefully tested the examples they chose not to acquire before deciding on something else. (I extensively tested the GFX 50s back when it was first released, for example.)

2. Some principles simply apply in a general way, whether or not one uses a particular brand an model of camera. For example, I can state with certainty that the 100MP sensor on the GFX 100s is capable of resolving more detail than the 50mp miniMF sensor on other models without owning either. Likewise, I can state with certainty that obtaining the highest subject resolution requires the best possible camera stability, independent of camera brand and model. (The basic principles here are obvious to anyone who has used a lot of different cameras and formats over decades of photography.)

(There are some things that I cannot speak about definitely regarding something I don't personally use, of course. I can't say too much about the ergonomics of the GFX bodies, for example... and I don't, beyond pointing out the downsides of larger gear weight and bulk for many users' travel photography.)

The "only listen to people who use the thing" idea has its upsides and downsides. Those who do use the specific thing in question may well have some deeper experience with that thing if they have used it for a long time. On the other hand, once we commit to a particular thing (like a brand and model of camera, a political party, a favorite food, etc.), "motivated reasoning" kicks in and it becomes difficult to view things from outside of a bubble created by that perspective.

Speaking of things I do "know and use," I do quite a lot of "travel photography" and similar... There are good reasons that the use of larger camera systems (and big collections of lenses and other gear) is less common among those who photograph their travel. Note that I did not say "unheard of among such people." In the same way that some people do landscapes with their iPhones and others have photographed sports using view cameras, anything is possible. ;-)
Dec 10, 2022 at 11:02 AM
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mdude85 wrote:
It is definitely a flexible mount and that's part of what makes it very appealing. And you make a very good point about the resolution allowing for more "reach" when cropped.

On the other hand, the resolution and the expense of the camera practically "begs" the use of larger, heavier, more expensive lenses. The 28-60 is a budget kit lens often sold with the A7C, while the A7R is usually marketed as a kit with a G lens.

Of course, you could mount a lot of lenses onto it which is what makes it appealing, but why would you? Other than to...Show more →

My FF Sony kit and my Fuji kit in pics below, I don't see a size advantage for the Fuji at all.
These lenses on my A7Rii provide noticeably better IQ and AF than my Fuji kit (XPro3), yes even the Samyang lenses that are optically superb
My Fuji kit provides more fun-per-shot than my Sony kit.
My Sony mount lenses were cheaper than my Fuji lenses and by some margin
The Build quality of the Fuji lenses is better than the Samyang but worse than my Sigmas

Yes, I know there are some smaller Fuji lenses (50mm f2, 35mm f2), but same is true for Sony as well (50mm 2.5, 24mm 2.5, 40mm 2.5, Samyang 35mm 2.8)
I had the Tamron 17-28 f2.8 and have the Fuji 10-24, and the Tamron was sharper, cheaper and faster it was also about the same size.

so to answer your question 'why would you' ... I do it to have an equally small, cheaper and better IQ kit...the Fuji system is great (which is why I have one) but it is generally not smaller and lighter except under extreme use cases/conditions, and it does not match contemporaneous FF systems in IQ overall (noise at comparable ISO, lens sharpness, DOF control...)...I use my Fuji for the great Film Sims and for more casual stuff and the OVF...
Dec 10, 2022 at 11:23 AM
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DonInTheUSA wrote:
I like to travel light. I find a Sony FF camera and 2-3 lenses too heavy to travel with. I know there are plenty of professional photographers who use the Fuji X system and have created fabulous photos with them. So it would only be logical that I should consider migrating to the APS-C X system. So why am I even thinking of the GFX 100s? Because every few months I drool over the GFX system. I walk myself to the precipice & somehow manage to pull back. One more attempt...

So, for those who travel with the GFX, is the...Show more →

So, I’m not you, and I can’t pretend to know precisely what would check all the boxes for you; however, I can tell you my experience. I was looking for a travel camera, something small, light, 35mm lens, durable, and high quality, which I could shove in my backpack when I jump on a plane. The GFX100s intrigued me. The possibility of being able to crop and carry only one lens. Lots of high-quality pixels. Relatively small, weatherproof, and has plenty of features. I was sucked in through all the YouTube advertisers and bought a used unit, figuring it would be cheaper than renting. I tried and tried to love it but only liked it, and only liked just a little, but not enough to keep it. So it’s gone, and I’m trying a Leica M for the second time. Years ago, I tried the M9 and was not too fond of it; however, I had a different use case then, and Leica was the wrong choice for my needs at the time. Now I’m trying a Leica M10-R with a Summicron-M 1:2/35mm ASPH and, so far, enjoying the experience. I bought the M10-R new and the Summicron used from Hong Kong to save some money vs the M11 which doesn’t intrigue me. The additional pixels of the M11 over the M10-R are wasted unless you stop down or buy an APO lens and the additional features are of no interest to me. Soon I will list my Canon R3 to fund the Leica kit and use the M10-R for 2023.

Good luck with your search!



Dec 10, 2022 at 11:25 AM
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Have you ever packed "too heavy" and regretted hauling all that gear for no reason?

Have you ever packed "too light" and regretted not having the gear you needed?

Which happens more often?


Dec 10, 2022 at 11:41 AM
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mmm55 wrote:
Have you ever packed "too heavy" and regretted hauling all that gear for no reason?

Have you ever packed "too light" and regretted not having the gear you needed?

Which happens more often?

Too heavy makes the trip a chore. Too light, you can still concentrate on the photos you can make with the gear you have. I’d much rather leave a lens behind than drag along the kitchen sink just in case.
Dec 10, 2022 at 11:49 AM
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chez wrote:
Too heavy makes the trip a chore. Too light, you can still concentrate on the photos you can make with the gear you have. I’d much rather leave a lens behind than drag along the kitchen sink just in case.

Your opinion. I was replying to the OP, providing another point of consideration to help him make his own decision. Each individual has to decide for himself.
Dec 10, 2022 at 11:56 AM
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