Wow, you all have posted fantastic images with this lens. I would be lost at what to do with 10mm. May I ask you all how do you approach composition with such a wide angle? I would love to hear your thoughts on the process of composition. Very very cool!
GreenRay wrote:
Wow, you all have posted fantastic images with this lens. I would be lost at what to do with 10mm. May I ask you all how do you approach composition with such a wide angle? I would love to hear your thoughts on the process of composition. Very very cool!
I feel like this thread is a good representation of the various ways this lens can be utilized. But oftentimes you don't know you need it until you come across something where you say "wait this could use something really wide". Or, in the case of two of the shots I posted, in Las Vegas & Times Square, I knew there was a chance some opportunities would present themselves, so I packed the CV 10 for the trip. It's small so it's an easy lens to throw in just in case.
As others have said, it doesn't get used a lot, but in the right situation it can produce an image no other lens (or smarphone) can pull off.
GreenRay wrote:
Wow, you all have posted fantastic images with this lens. I would be lost at what to do with 10mm. May I ask you all how do you approach composition with such a wide angle? I would love to hear your thoughts on the process of composition. Very very cool!
I try and get close to my foreground subject and then it’s VERY important to keep the camera level both horizontally and vertically. Experiment with different positions and you’ll be happy with your results.
mudlake wrote:
I try and get close to my foreground subject and then it’s VERY important to keep the camera level both horizontally and vertically. Experiment with different positions and you’ll be happy with your results.
Now that you mention you keep the camera level in both directions, I see that it is a great place to start and that the majority of images in this thread so far adhere to that idea. And it really works! The majesty of the scenes captured in the photos made me not even notice at that many of the images have the horizon in the middle until you mentioned it. And yes keeping your subject close.
I have not ever really used the ultra wide angle lens on my phone. Now I am going to play around with it using this principle when the right scene hits. I am inspired. Thank you!
gocolts wrote:
I feel like this thread is a good representation of the various ways this lens can be utilized. But oftentimes you don't know you need it until you come across something where you say "wait this could use something really wide". Or, in the case of two of the shots I posted, in Las Vegas & Times Square, I knew there was a chance some opportunities would present themselves, so I packed the CV 10 for the trip. It's small so it's an easy lens to throw in just in case.
As others have said, it doesn't get used a lot, but in the right situation it can produce an image no other lens (or smarphone) can pull off. ...Show more →
I couldn't agree with you more that a wide angle like this is great for Times Square and Las Vegas. Using this lens really makes a statement about those places too. Literally creating the larger than life imagery in photos both places conjure in the imagination.
Al Trujillo wrote:
In your opinion do you think the Super Wide Helier 15mm would be a better choice, and maybe more practical for more situations?
I have the 15 too and mostly ues it on film, and the 10 only on digital, but to me they feel like pretty different things. The 15 is great for getting pictures that look pretty normal but need to be taken from awkward vantage points. I do a lot of photography of doorways and facades of buildings from the sidewalk where I can't step into busy traffic to back up enough, and it's great for that, even though usually 24mm is fine too.
The 10 can do all that as well but you're getting half the block in your picture from the sidewalk in front of it. It has more drop-off so the corners are quite dark without correction, and in poor light the necessary correction can make them pretty noisy. But as others have said, if you shoot with the 10 you can always crop.
I guess to me the 10mm feels much more "weird" than the 15, if that makes any sense.
One thing interesting about the 10mm is that it certainly looks strange looking through the viewfinder compared to standard focal lengths, but when you see the images, they look very much like how you felt when you were standing there!
I think it is because the human eye sees a VERY wide field of view including our peripheral vision which is very similar to the CV10. The 10mm has a 121.89 degree horizontal FOV and 100.39 degree vertical FOV. The human eye sees a 135 degree horizontal FOV and just over 180 degree vertical FOV. So it's not surprising that when looking at images from the CV10, I get the feeling as if I was standing in that spot again.
Are you saying we have a fov that is taller than it of wide? I think maybe those numbers should be switched, or maybe I’m just not understanding what you mean. I definitely prescient that human binocular field of view is more like 180 horizontally and 135 vertically (with a bit more on the bottom than the top because of our brow).
Regarding lenses, it seems a lens like this creates a lifelike fov, but a not so lifelike sense of close to distant scale and spatial distortion. I’ve often heard something like 43 or 45mm is like human vision so I wonder if that is referring to our perception of depth and spatial relationships. If you take a multi row panorama from a 40-50mm lens to get that 135 x 180 fov, that comes closest to approximating the sense of being there, at least for me.
mudlake wrote:
One thing interesting about the 10mm is that it certainly looks strange looking through the viewfinder compared to standard focal lengths, but when you see the images, they look very much like how you felt when you were standing there!
I think it is because the human eye sees a VERY wide field of view including our peripheral vision which is very similar to the CV10. The 10mm has a 121.89 degree horizontal FOV and 100.39 degree vertical FOV. The human eye sees a 135 degree horizontal FOV and just over 180 degree vertical FOV. So it's not surprising that when looking at images from the CV10, I get the feeling as if I was standing in that spot again....Show more →
StoneCrop wrote:
Are you saying we have a fov that is taller than it of wide? I think maybe those numbers should be switched, or maybe I’m just not understanding what you mean. I definitely prescient that human binocular field of view is more like 180 horizontally and 135 vertically (with a bit more on the bottom than the top because of our brow).
Regarding lenses, it seems a lens like this creates a lifelike fov, but a not so lifelike sense of close to distant scale and spatial distortion. I’ve often heard something like 43 or 45mm is like human vision so I wonder if that is referring to our perception of depth and spatial relationships. If you take a multi row panorama from a 40-50mm lens to get that 135 x 180 fov, that comes closest to approximating the sense of being there, at least for me.
Used it since release but was very happy to let it go as soon as the Laowa 9mm 5.6 came around as I was never satisfied with the 10mm's image quality in the periphery (tried 3 samples over the years).
But if it wasn't for the Voigtländer, maybe there would have never been that Laowa, so yes, Kudos to Cosina for this one.
Bastian, how would you characterize the degree and kind of distortion of the Laowa 9mm compared to the CV 10mm? Is it easily correctable and if so does the field of view remain wider than the 10mm's even after correction? I'm tempted by the Laowa.
qqphot wrote:
Bastian, how would you characterize the degree and kind of distortion of the Laowa 9mm compared to the CV 10mm? Is it easily correctable and if so does the field of view remain wider than the 10mm's even after correction? I'm tempted by the Laowa.
Of course it is still wider, much wider actually.
There is a comparison in my review: https://phillipreeve.net/blog/review-laowa-9mm-5-6-ff-rl/
A correction profile for Lightroom is also available, but the distortion isn't really high to begin with.
A correction profile for Lightroom is also available, but the distortion isn't really high to begin with.
This is good to know. Some other online review I saw claimed it had significant and complex distortion; i haven't had the opportunity yet to try one myself.
