61MP Sony A7R V specifications leaked
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aCuria wrote:
By "edge to edge" I mean that the "whole frame" has to be considered, not just the center.
There are multiple layers of possible misconceptions in this kind of discussion, and its difficult to get people to understand whats really going on. You probably already know some of this explanation below:
The first and most common misconception is that people think that detail in the photo will increase linearly with pixels, and this is wrong because the "megapixel" tag is a deliberately misleading metric. For us to perceive 2x the detail in an image you would have to double the pixels...Show more →
Well, now at least I see why you have the view you do and also how its different than Roger's: there no Bayer array in your account.
ruthenium wrote
Some of the disagreement around your statements might be due to the categorical nature of your writing. For example, "edge to edge performance that really matters too" makes me wonder how much, on average, we are pixel-peeping at the edges? Arguably, most times the area outside the central APS-C zone does not need to be razor-sharp.ruthenium wrote
I am also not sure about the truth of "100 MP FF aka 160lp/mm sensor from Sony is useless with the existing lens lineup alone." Here, I am thinking about those situations when an image is cropped. Intuitively, it seems that having more pixels in the cropped image should be better for the image quality. Is this wrong?The first and most common misconception is that people think that detail in the photo will increase linearly with pixels, and this is wrong because the "megapixel" tag is a deliberately misleading metric. For us to perceive 2x the detail in an image you would have to double the pixels...Show more →
Well, now at least I see why you have the view you do and also how its different than Roger's: there no Bayer array in your account.
Oct 22, 2022 at 01:04 PM
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aCuria wrote:
Take it up with Roger then.
And I think that's wrong.
We've gone a few rounds now. Let's call it and agree to disagree. Cheers!
It’s simply fact, there’s nothing to take up with Roger. You can compute maximum sensor lp/mm off pixel pitch specifications.
In fact I agree with what Roger is saying, find me a lens that’s produces a virtual image of 80lp/mm with high contrast edge to edge and I totally agree that said lens would be great with the Riv
Happy to agree to disagree (also always happy to be wrong if someone can explain something to me I don’t already know)I think the confusing part in what you write is that according to your criteria:
the existing lenses are "not good enough" even for already existing A7RIV (~130lpm / 60 MPx) and Fred's corner samples show that there's a number of lenses that are very sharp there (and seem to resolve more detail than on 42 MPx).
That's why what Roger writes seems more in line with what we are seeing in our photos...Do you have a link to said samples?
I mostly meant the relatively recent CV APOs:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1695782
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1625777
+ https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1698397/0 (35GM)
+ https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1741370/14#infinity5 (50GM but the shots are downsampled)
AFAIR, there were some lenses that Fred tried again after getting A7RIV, but I don't recall the details...
j4nu wrote
aCuria wrote
MAubrey wrote
aCuria wrote
Well, you do realize that from a sensor perspective the A7iv = 100 lp/mm, and the A7Riv = 130 lp/mm. A sensor above 100MP should be capable of 160+ lp/mmaCuria wrote
My entire point is that a > 100 MP FF aka 160lp/mm sensor from Sony is useless with the existing lens lineup aloneWe've gone a few rounds now. Let's call it and agree to disagree. Cheers!
In fact I agree with what Roger is saying, find me a lens that’s produces a virtual image of 80lp/mm with high contrast edge to edge and I totally agree that said lens would be great with the Riv
Happy to agree to disagree (also always happy to be wrong if someone can explain something to me I don’t already know)
aCuria wrote
The 135GM resolves at ~60% contrast at 100lp/mm in the center (a7iv sensor = 100lp/mm max). At 100lp/mm the corner contrast has already gone to shitThat's why what Roger writes seems more in line with what we are seeing in our photos...
I mostly meant the relatively recent CV APOs:
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1695782
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1625777
+ https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1698397/0 (35GM)
+ https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1741370/14#infinity5 (50GM but the shots are downsampled)
AFAIR, there were some lenses that Fred tried again after getting A7RIV, but I don't recall the details...
Oct 22, 2022 at 03:22 PM
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Stoffer wrote:
Very underwhelming if true. Feels like the A9 to A9 II upgrade or am I missing something? I’m not taking about resolution which is fine, more the feature set for the target group.
No, this is more substantial than the A9 II upgrade. It adds the processor upgrade (do not underestimate that impact - it eliminates the "waiting to clear buffer" impact, making the camera much more responsive if you shoot bursts); it adds the dual-mode slots letting you use faster cards or your existing ones; it gives you the better screen of the A7RIVa, but adds the gorgeous EVF of the A1; it brings in new AF functionality. The AF and video improvements sound significant, too.
We'll have to wait to see if this is real, or a concoction - it reads too much like someone's imagining Sony drawing together "the good bits" from every Sony announcement since the A7RIV...
The big question is how substantial the sensor improvements are. If Sony really has improved the sensor readout significantly, maybe this is Sony's answer to the Canon R5 - a faster camera that isn't stacked, so it can be rather cheaper.
Intriguingly, it explicitly denies one of the things SAR was touting: a much improved IBIS with 8+ stops.
Very underwhelming if true. Feels like the A9 to A9 II upgrade or am I missing something? I’m not taking about resolution which is fine, more the feature set for the target group.
No, this is more substantial than the A9 II upgrade. It adds the processor upgrade (do not underestimate that impact - it eliminates the "waiting to clear buffer" impact, making the camera much more responsive if you shoot bursts); it adds the dual-mode slots letting you use faster cards or your existing ones; it gives you the better screen of the A7RIVa, but adds the gorgeous EVF of the A1; it brings in new AF functionality. The AF and video improvements sound significant, too.
We'll have to wait to see if this is real, or a concoction - it reads too much like someone's imagining Sony drawing together "the good bits" from every Sony announcement since the A7RIV...
The big question is how substantial the sensor improvements are. If Sony really has improved the sensor readout significantly, maybe this is Sony's answer to the Canon R5 - a faster camera that isn't stacked, so it can be rather cheaper.
Intriguingly, it explicitly denies one of the things SAR was touting: a much improved IBIS with 8+ stops.
Oct 22, 2022 at 03:49 PM
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On SAR this morning:
Sony A7rIV has 693 phase detection points and AI assisted WB
Sony A7rIV has 693 phase detection points and AI assisted WB
Oct 24, 2022 at 07:42 AM
p.13 #661MP Sony A7R V specifications leaked
shutterbug40 wrote:
On SAR this morning:
Sony A7rIV has 693 phase detection points and AI assisted WB
So the V is getting closer to the A1 which has 759 points.
I sold my IV which I loved at the time a couple weeks after I started using my A1.
Do not see anything on the V that could entice me to buy one all they are doing yes the CF cards and buffer are a huge step forward as the phase detection and other but all they are doing is trying to catch up to the A1 and have not caught it yet so big deal. Always nice to see improvements but 50mp is plenty.
With all the things that the A1 does better the slight difference between 50 and 61mp is a yawner. When Sony comes out with a A1 with more MP and some other useful features like focus stacking or in camera pixel shift and more I will upgrade.
I could live with my A1 for the rest of my life it is a hell of a camera and we have excellent lenses.
Certainly enough to get the job done for the most discerning photographer.
On SAR this morning:
Sony A7rIV has 693 phase detection points and AI assisted WB
So the V is getting closer to the A1 which has 759 points.
I sold my IV which I loved at the time a couple weeks after I started using my A1.
Do not see anything on the V that could entice me to buy one all they are doing yes the CF cards and buffer are a huge step forward as the phase detection and other but all they are doing is trying to catch up to the A1 and have not caught it yet so big deal. Always nice to see improvements but 50mp is plenty.
With all the things that the A1 does better the slight difference between 50 and 61mp is a yawner. When Sony comes out with a A1 with more MP and some other useful features like focus stacking or in camera pixel shift and more I will upgrade.
I could live with my A1 for the rest of my life it is a hell of a camera and we have excellent lenses.
Certainly enough to get the job done for the most discerning photographer.
Oct 24, 2022 at 09:11 AM
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trstahly wrote:
I sold my IV which I loved at the time a couple weeks after I started using my A1.
With all the things that the A1 does better the slight difference between 50 and 61mp is a yawner. When Sony comes out with a A1 with more MP and some other useful features like focus stacking or in camera pixel shift and more I will upgrade.
Interestingly enough though Sony has been discounting the A1 left and right. Either this A7RV is a really good value or Sony actually wants to get the A1 in people's hand. You decide
I sold my IV which I loved at the time a couple weeks after I started using my A1.
With all the things that the A1 does better the slight difference between 50 and 61mp is a yawner. When Sony comes out with a A1 with more MP and some other useful features like focus stacking or in camera pixel shift and more I will upgrade.
Interestingly enough though Sony has been discounting the A1 left and right. Either this A7RV is a really good value or Sony actually wants to get the A1 in people's hand. You decide
Oct 24, 2022 at 09:21 AM
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To be fair, there are likely a lot of factors outside the release of the A7RV that could affect discounting the A1. I think diving into them would likely turn political, so I'm going to leave it at that.
On the plus side, new camera bodies mean more discounts on older, used models for those of us who don't have deep enough pockets for an A1.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go tell my A7III it's still a perfectly good camera that takes lovely pictures.
On the plus side, new camera bodies mean more discounts on older, used models for those of us who don't have deep enough pockets for an A1.
Now if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go tell my A7III it's still a perfectly good camera that takes lovely pictures.
Oct 24, 2022 at 09:33 AM
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Alan Parker wrote:
With all the things that the A1 does better the slight difference between 50 and 61mp is a yawner. When Sony comes out with a A1 with more MP and some other useful features like focus stacking or in camera pixel shift and more I will upgrade.Interestingly enough though Sony has been discounting the A1 left and right. Either this A7RV is a really good value or Sony actually wants to get the A1 in people's hand. You decide
Are you really trying to put the A1 down because someone is discounting it from $6,498 after it has been out just short of two years?
BH Photo today - A1 $6,498 which is over double 2.2x what they sell the IVa for $2,998.
What is your point again?
trstahly wrote
I sold my IV which I loved at the time a couple weeks after I started using my A1.With all the things that the A1 does better the slight difference between 50 and 61mp is a yawner. When Sony comes out with a A1 with more MP and some other useful features like focus stacking or in camera pixel shift and more I will upgrade.
Are you really trying to put the A1 down because someone is discounting it from $6,498 after it has been out just short of two years?
BH Photo today - A1 $6,498 which is over double 2.2x what they sell the IVa for $2,998.
What is your point again?
Oct 24, 2022 at 09:46 AM
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trstahly wrote:
Sony A7rIV has 693 phase detection points and AI assisted WBSo the V is getting closer to the A1 which has 759 points.
I sold my IV which I loved at the time a couple weeks after I started using my A1.
Do not see anything on the V that could entice me to buy one all they are doing yes the CF cards and buffer are a huge step forward as the phase detection and other but all they are doing is trying to catch up to the A1 and have not caught it yet so big deal. Always nice to see improvements but 50mp is plenty.
With all the things that...Show more →
I think these cameras are simply different. R will never catch up in speed, while 1 will not offer the same resolution and DR...
shutterbug40 wrote
On SAR this morning:Sony A7rIV has 693 phase detection points and AI assisted WB
I sold my IV which I loved at the time a couple weeks after I started using my A1.
Do not see anything on the V that could entice me to buy one all they are doing yes the CF cards and buffer are a huge step forward as the phase detection and other but all they are doing is trying to catch up to the A1 and have not caught it yet so big deal. Always nice to see improvements but 50mp is plenty.
With all the things that...Show more →
I think these cameras are simply different. R will never catch up in speed, while 1 will not offer the same resolution and DR...
Oct 24, 2022 at 09:55 AM
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shutterbug40 wrote:
On SAR this morning:
Sony A7rIV has 693 phase detection points and AI assisted WB
SAR keeps saying "RIV" instead of "RV"
if it has all the rumored features, this is going to be a beast ...
On SAR this morning:
Sony A7rIV has 693 phase detection points and AI assisted WB
SAR keeps saying "RIV" instead of "RV"
if it has all the rumored features, this is going to be a beast ...
Oct 24, 2022 at 11:19 AM
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Canon r5 is a beast after all. I wish a7rv will match canon in speed - 1/60s scan speed and 15/20fps with e shutter. Plus all the common canon/Sony features. That would be a great camera somewhere between a7iv and a1 and a1ii which is to be expected in less than year ?
Oct 24, 2022 at 11:33 AM
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A little off topic but since people are mentioning “sar” here - I wouldn’t rely much on their “rumors”. Essentially they worth nothing until like a day or two before the actual release. It seems to me the dude that runs the site wants to keep the audience engaged (i.e. clicking his affiliate links) with whatever controversial BS randomly comes to his mind. I quitted reading it in 2014.
Just be patient folks and in a few days we all know… so far I can predict with a 100% probability this new camera won’t replace my A1.
Just be patient folks and in a few days we all know…
so far I can predict with a 100% probability this new camera won’t replace my A1.Oct 24, 2022 at 11:46 AM
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amv8 wrote:
and where's that focus stacking functionality?...
Focus stacking would be nice and could be implemented in a firmware update! Canon has it at 10 FPS and it makes handholding for DoF bracketing so much easier. Stephen Bay came up with a way to implement it using a Sony remote, but it's a little cumbersome and I expect would still require a tripod.
and where's that focus stacking functionality?...
Focus stacking would be nice and could be implemented in a firmware update! Canon has it at 10 FPS and it makes handholding for DoF bracketing so much easier. Stephen Bay came up with a way to implement it using a Sony remote, but it's a little cumbersome and I expect would still require a tripod.
Oct 24, 2022 at 11:55 AM
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docusync wrote:
A little off topic but since people are mentioning “sar” here - I wouldn’t rely much on their “rumors”. Essentially they worth nothing until like a day or two before the actual release. It seems to me the dude that runs the site wants to keep the audience engaged (i.e. clicking his affiliate links) with whatever controversial BS randomly comes to his mind. I quitted reading it in 2014.
Just be patient folks and in a few days we all know… so far I can predict with a 100% probability this new camera won’t replace my A1.
I guess noone expect it to replace an a1. Unless you do landscapes only.
A little off topic but since people are mentioning “sar” here - I wouldn’t rely much on their “rumors”. Essentially they worth nothing until like a day or two before the actual release. It seems to me the dude that runs the site wants to keep the audience engaged (i.e. clicking his affiliate links) with whatever controversial BS randomly comes to his mind. I quitted reading it in 2014.
Just be patient folks and in a few days we all know…
so far I can predict with a 100% probability this new camera won’t replace my A1.I guess noone expect it to replace an a1. Unless you do landscapes only.
Oct 24, 2022 at 12:00 PM
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No one takes SAR seriously. Really just something to chat about
Oct 24, 2022 at 12:15 PM
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Sar is to rumors what Ken Rockwell is to reviewers... 
Oct 24, 2022 at 12:17 PM
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Bottlom line until it hits the streets it means nothing. Except planning on announcements that are official . It take a lot for me to move on something given I have the A1. Now something better on the EVF on my A7c would perk my interest
Oct 24, 2022 at 12:20 PM
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Suddenly I'm realizing that I'm spending more time on photographic literature than taking photos...
Now that I think about it carefully, given how old I am, what does it matter if they announce a camera with focus stacking or with higher resolution... I still have so many photos to take...
Now that I think about it carefully, given how old I am, what does it matter if they announce a camera with focus stacking or with higher resolution... I still have so many photos to take...
Oct 24, 2022 at 12:39 PM
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michal.narozny wrote:
Canon r5 is a beast after all. I wish a7rv will match canon in speed - 1/60s scan speed and 15/20fps with e shutter. Plus all the common canon/Sony features. That would be a great camera somewhere between a7iv and a1 and a1ii which is to be expected in less than year ?
This is what I've been saying for 2 years - I'd like a Canon R5 style camera in the Sony line up - a Goldilock model, if you will. Or just lower the price of the A1 to $3,900 :-)
Canon r5 is a beast after all. I wish a7rv will match canon in speed - 1/60s scan speed and 15/20fps with e shutter. Plus all the common canon/Sony features. That would be a great camera somewhere between a7iv and a1 and a1ii which is to be expected in less than year ?
This is what I've been saying for 2 years - I'd like a Canon R5 style camera in the Sony line up - a Goldilock model, if you will. Or just lower the price of the A1 to $3,900 :-)
Oct 24, 2022 at 04:18 PM