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Yep, it has been a rough 2.5 years for me (like many) and I'm just getting back behind my camera. So one of the things my wife suggested is that I go on a photography workshop to get back into the 'swing of things'. Which is a very nice hall pass to get. So I went to Google and searched for best photography workshops and found this article: https://www.photographytalk.com/top-photography-workshops-to-attend-in-2020-2021

Now I have never been on a photography workshop and spent some time jumping through each of the workshops on this list webpages. Dang, photography workshops are pricey. But I guess you get what you pay for?

Let me ask you this, what questions should I ask to the workshops? Not to ask a potentially dumb question, is there such thing as a best photo workshop for someone who hasn't been to one before? Damn, as I ask that it doesn't sound like I have the question in my head.

Basically if you have never been to one before, would you spend this kind of cash on a photography meetup? OK that doesn't sound right. But you see what I'm saying?

Thank you in advance.



Mar 28, 2022 at 11:43 PM
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Oh, and one last question, what ratio of teacher to student (attendee) is considered good for a workshop?

Thanks again!



Mar 28, 2022 at 11:43 PM
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I'd save the cash and plan your own week of photography. Pick where you want to go and plan your own road trip. Maybe you could buy a lens with the $$$ you save.
Researching locations and planning shots in advance are helpful. It's also nice to get yourself in a good location and discover things on your own. My best photos are ones I created myself. It's an exercise in solitude but that's what landscape photography entails.



Mar 28, 2022 at 11:56 PM
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Be sure to understand the focus of the "workshop". Some leaders consider themselves guides to get you to great locations at the best times, others provide a significant amount of class room presentations, including processing and group image reviews.

Keep in mind, very few workshops include accommodations or meals, and then there may be airfare. So, yes, workshops are not cheap. If your budget can handle it, great. It is always fun hanging out with others with the same interests. Otherwise, consider a nice vacation with you wife to a area with great photography opportunities.



Mar 29, 2022 at 03:46 AM
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Consider a group workshop only to those locations that are hard or impossible to access without being part of a group. Say, Antarctica, Greenland, Baffin Island - you get the idea. Otherwise best to plan your own programme and spend the money saved on hiring private guides locally (guides who know the place intimately and can get you to locations in that country).

I don't know about African photo expeditions - perhaps there it makes sense to go on a well-managed group photography excursion.

Also - any photographer advertising "vision" and how he (it's almost always a he) will help you develop your "vision" must be avoided like the plague.







Mar 29, 2022 at 05:06 AM
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AHanson wrote:
Yep, it has been a rough 2.5 years for me (like many) and I'm just getting back behind my camera. So one of the things my wife suggested is that I go on a photography workshop to get back into the 'swing of things'. Which is a very nice hall pass to get. So I went to Google and searched for best photography workshops and found this article: https://www.photographytalk.com/top-photography-workshops-to-attend-in-2020-2021

Now I have never been on a photography workshop and spent some time jumping through each of the workshops on this list webpages. Dang, photography workshops are pricey. But I guess you
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You live 30 minutes from me, and I will tell you you're within a 5 hour driving radius of some of the most beautiful scenery that can be photographed.

* Eastern Sierra
* Joshua Tree
* Death Valley
* Laguna, Newport, and La Jolla beaches

I also suggest to skip the workshop prices, and plan your own trip. If you do go on a workshop, i would suggest finding a location first, then find workshops in that location. Book with a well established workshop crew, not someone that just started a YouTube channel.



Mar 29, 2022 at 08:06 AM
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Save your money.

I don't know where you are with your photography background or where you want to go. From the sound of your post, I assume you are a relative beginner, hopefully with some basic camera skills and experience.

If you are serious about photography, look for places where you can learn and work on your photography on a sustained basis. I would rank formal coursework in visual arts and photography very high. Look for offerings from universities, art schools, etc. I was lucky enough to have a very good OLLI program near me that offered many semesters worth of study at low cost. If you don't want that level of commitment, check out local camera clubs. Better clubs provide competitions/critiques, seminars, lectures, group shooting experiences, mentoring, etc.

I would also recommend some online input. Take a look at the Event Space videos from B&H Photo. These are free lectures from some of the experts in various genres. There are years worth of them so you should be able to find a great many that are valuable to the type of photography you are interested in.

All of the training tools you can find will only be of value if you spend considerable time shooting. Again perhaps you can get some help from camera clubs/mentors, but most of the effort needs to be your own. I am a believer in the 10,000 hour rule. Odds are you are not that interested, but as a relative beginner you will be on the sharp portion of the learning curve and any significant effort will result in substantial improvement in your skills.

Back to the photo tours. I have seen a lot of them and quickly realized I had no interest. Most can be considered travel/social with only a bit of photography mixed in. The photography portion can be as minimal as the instructor taking you to great scenic areas and recommending where to place your tripod and how to set up your camera.



Mar 29, 2022 at 09:37 AM
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My opinion differs from many of the responses. I have been on a few workshops and they were fun, informative and got me to locations I wasn’t familiar with and wouldn’t have gone on my own. Some good suggestions above on connecting with a local group that can provide much of the benefits of a workshop at much lower cost.

The workshops I have attended were exhausting but exhilarating. I was on the relatively early portion of the landscape learning curve so I also benefited from the expertise of others in expanding and improving my skill (both technical and artistic).

Generally, workshops can be an expensive vacation depending on how close to home they are but they do get you out there in a dedicated manner with only one focus in mind.

Consider a leader that has a style or portfolio that inspires you. You will likely get more out of it that way. I have been with Alex Noriega and Marc Adamus and both have amazing portfolios and are open in sharing their feedback and approach.



Mar 29, 2022 at 01:23 PM
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I just got back from my first workshop, and can tell you that workshops appear to be a racket for the most part. I'd never gone because I didn't need a "tour guide" or a hand holder. There are two types of workshops: the workshop where the guide does some research on the best photography locations in an area and whether to shoot it at sunrise or sunset, and there are the workshops that actually help you to become a better photographer - though these appear to be the minority.

The workshop I took was given by Guy Tal and Michael Gordon, and I knew areas I wanted to grow resonated with what they'd be covering. They don't merely take you to spots during prime light, and then help you process the images - they teach how to be more expressive with your images. There were also a wide range of experience levels with them - solid photographers up to pro. I'd classify it as an intermediate to advanced level for the most part. But it would be just fine for a first workshop if you had a good handle on how to use your camera and what you liked in a photo.

As others have said, you can do the photographic location research yourself and save a boatload. If you're looking for actual instruction without them telling you "take THIS picture", then I'd highly recommend Guy and Michael's workshops. I'd recommend Guy's books on photography in either case.

We had ten people with the two workshop leaders. I'd say four to six people per leader seemed to be a good size. Some may never ask questions of the leaders in the field (we had a good amount in our workshop that did our own thing) while others will ask many.

What questions should you ask? Whatever you feel like you need an answer to. I would look to see what kind of images the workshop leaders take and make sure they fit in with what you'd like your photography to be like. I personally would rather have leaders that know the area of the workshop rather than flying in from somewhere else. The knowledge Michael and Guy had of Death Valley, the vegetation and animals was fantastic.



Mar 29, 2022 at 01:51 PM
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To add to Ryans list;

*Anza Borrego
*Salton Sea
*Johannesburg/Red Rock Canyon/Trona Pinnacles
*Kern Plateau/River area
*Carrizo Plain

And so many more. I live near you and have traveled to all mentioned spots and have got some great photos. These are trips where I travel mostly alone (sometimes with wife or photo buddy), sometimes sleep in the back of my truck, tent or hotel in remote locations and capture some great photo's. From Lake Forest you can go out photograph a lot of the mentioned areas and be back home in a long days drive.

Skip the workshop and take a photo buddy if you don't feel safe traveling alone. Try to find one with a 4WD vehicle if you don't have one to get you out there.

You can learn all the fundamental things and locations you need to learn about online. The experience of actually getting out there and using what you've learned is what it's all about.
Go now before it gets too hot.



Mar 31, 2022 at 12:01 AM
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The very best photo workshop I have ever attended is one you already are familiar with. The FredMiranda.com website.

Seriously. If you know how to operate your camera, then the creative skills are what you seek. Participate in the weekly and monthly contests to get your butt out of the chair and behind your lens. Post images for critique and read the critiques of others on your photos and other's photos. Remember anyone can post here so you will have to decide for yourself what critiques are valuable and which are people spouting off with internet-authority...

You don't mention what kind of photography you are interested in. Whatever it is, do it again and again.

I found this book excellent. https://www.amazon.com/dp/081744176X/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_WFS9D1FPJ2J76GD1VWW8

The link above is not an affiliate link or anything like that, just hopefully a link to the first edition of the book. I also have the second edition and it was not as good as the first. I studied each photo and used the principles of the composition in my own photography. I see there is a third edition and will get it in the mail tomorrow. Hope it has the spirit of the first one. Buy a used copy of the first edition for $6 and give it a read when you are not shooting.


Paul


<< EDIT >>

I see you are in Lake Forest. I am in RSM. We are neighbors...

Paul





Mar 31, 2022 at 12:03 PM
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AHanson wrote:
Yep, it has been a rough 2.5 years for me (like many) and I'm just getting back behind my camera. So one of the things my wife suggested is that I go on a photography workshop to get back into the 'swing of things'. Which is a very nice hall pass to get. So I went to Google and searched for best photography workshops and found this article: https://www.photographytalk.com/top-photography-workshops-to-attend-in-2020-2021

Now I have never been on a photography workshop and spent some time jumping through each of the workshops on this list webpages. Dang, photography workshops are pricey. But I guess you
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A full answer to your question is too involved for a post here — even for one of my (in)famous long posts.

A first question is, what are you looking for from a workshop? Is it general training in photography? Is it a more advance "next step" of some sort? Are you looking for a workshop so that you can get guided in some specific location? Is it for a particular genre of photography — portraits, wildlife, sports, travel, landscape, street?

Someone once told me that photography workshops fall roughly into a few broad categories. One is essentially basic (and sometimes more advanced) instruction — how to post-process, how to print, using view cameras, photographing wildlife, and the like.

Another category is oriented to a particular location — perhaps photographing in a particular national park, photographing wildlife in Alaska or Africa, photographing Iceland. The idea is that the leader(s) will take you to places where you can photograph the thing you are interested in and, along the way, offer sessions on various (typically) technical subjects.

Another is more or less "going on trips with photographers." A leader will take you to a location, lead you to particular subjects at times when the odds of their being in form increases, etc. Instruction may or may not be a major part of this — it may be essentially group guiding.

Which of these are you looking for? Or are _any_ of them what you are actually looking for?

Are there bad workshops? Yes. (I know some stories...) Are there OK workshops? Yes. Are there really excellent workshops? Yes. (I know Guy and Michael, and you could learn a ton from them on a wide range of subjects in Death Valley. I also know the folks doing the Pacific Basin workshops in your linked article. I'm not personally familiar with their workshops, but they are good people.)

How do you find a good one? Probably not by reading an article about the "10 best workshops." The notion that there are "10 best" is ludicrous. (This is not meant to disparage any of those listed in the article. I have no knowledge of most of them.)

A more important question (after the "Is a workshop what I really need?" question) is "what am I looking for in a workshop?" Then, "what photographer's work wold I like to learn about directly?" And then — this will take some poking around — is this photographer a good workshop operator and presenter? Not all good photographers are good teachers. There are stories of some "big name" folks taking their workshops to locations and just letting everyone fend for themselves, with little or no help. Someone I know well reported to me that at a workshop presented by another "big name" photographer, the photographer spent a lot of time insulting the abilities of the participants.

On the other hand, there are really, really good teachers who run well-organized workshops and who prepared diligently for their clients. One I know recently arrived at the workshop location over two weeks ahead of time to work out the details of "when and where." When I caught up with him there — I was in the area doing my own photography and we camped together — he was spending hours sitting in his car in front of a camera and microphone painstakingly recording materials for his "charges."

A numer of people in this thread suggest foregoing workshops. In all honesty, for most people a workshop is not necessarily the best way to learn photography, particularly at some beginning level. There are situations where it can be great with the right subject and the right teacher, but unless your need is for a sort of general photography experience to make you feel charged up about photography, there are other ways to learn the basics... and if you know what you want to photograph you might be better off investing in your own travels to the locations where you want to photograph.

Other useful ideas include finding local photographers who might meet up and even do print reviews. (Though be careful about the latter — there are a lot of folks with no clue how to give useful feedback on photography!) If you are looking for basics and don't have a friend who can help and aren't a self-directed learner, you might consider a class at a local community college or similar. (These also vary widely in quality, from truly outstanding to truly abysmal.)

Good luck.

Dan



Mar 31, 2022 at 11:13 PM
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Yes, most workshops are expensive. No, you do not want to go to one just to take you to pretty places. Yes, many (most?) workshops do little more than take you to pretty places.

With that out of the way, paying for selected workshops has made me a FAR better photographer. Taught me how to scout, compose, what to look for in the weather, how to think about light vs color, provided a framework for post processing, and a host of other essential skills.

Unfortunately a single workshop with ANYONE will be far from sufficient to cross a threshold towards meaningful usefulness. If you can commit to taking one workshop a year from a carefully selected leader do it. Otherwise spend the money on a self organized trip.



Apr 01, 2022 at 02:26 AM
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GroovyGeek wrote:
Yes, most workshops are expensive. No, you do not want to go to one just to take you to pretty places. Yes, many (most?) workshops do little more than take you to pretty places.

With that out of the way, paying for selected workshops has made me a FAR better photographer. Taught me how to scout, compose, what to look for in the weather, how to think about light vs color, provided a framework for post processing, and a host of other essential skills.

Unfortunately a single workshop with ANYONE will be far from sufficient to cross a threshold towards meaningful usefulness.
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I like your post. It acknowledges the problems and unrealistic ideas that may be associated with the workshop idea, but it also acknowledges that there are some really good workshops and workshop teachers. Quality varies widely, as does content and focus.

Despite having been a film photographer for years, in the early 2000s I was having a heck of a time getting my digital printing to move beyond a very pedestrian level. I asked a friend who is well-known for the quality of his prints (he was regarded as one of the masters of the dye-transfer process) if there was a book, a workshop, or a class that would help me. One of his workshops might well have done the trick... but he told me to bring over some files and we'd look at them. Four hours later, after watching him do what he does with them, I had learned probably 90% of the important stuff I had been missing.

In other words, despite the fact that I prefer to learn in the autodidactic mode, I learned critical stuff quickly and efficiently from an experienced practitioner. I would not hesitate to recommend that person to someone looking for a workshop in his areas of expertise.

Workshops aren't the only way to get what you are looking for — they might be, or something else might be more effective. It depends a whole lot on who teaches the workshop of class — their focus, their skills, their interest in sharing, their ability to teach, how well what they offer aligns with what you want/need to learn.

There's no easy answer to the right way to proceed here. Some folks will do best with an autodidactic mode. Some will benefit from a class. Some need personal mentoring. Some just benefit from to being around other photographers.

Dan

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Apr 01, 2022 at 08:25 AM
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Everybody learns differently. I think saying "skip workshops" is bad advice for some people, good advice for others. If money is not a big issue for you, workshops can be very valuable. I encourage you to keep looking and asking for advice, pick a workshop, and go on it.


Apr 01, 2022 at 11:26 AM
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I think you’ve gotten great advice from others, I’d also suggest you consider our local club in Mission Viejo (South County Photo Club) www.southcountyphotoclub.com. Its a great group of people with workshops, contests, outings, volunteering for non-profit events, etc. There are all skill levels including pros there. Disclosure, I’m past VP of programs.

Bob



Apr 01, 2022 at 09:42 PM
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^^^
Like the suggestion above to look at a photo club if you are the social type.

One last note for the OP: if you find an open spot at a workshop 3-6 months from now, think long and hard before putting down your hard earned money. Most good workshop leaders sell out their trips 1, 2 and sometimes 3 years in advance, and whatever openings they have are infrequent cancellations.

I have discussed my preferred workshop leader in the past
https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/1557460/0&year=2018#14791764

Alas my photography skills have progressed to a point where artistically I do not derive mch value from him - not because there isn't anything to learn, but because getting past where I am requires time and aptitudes I do not have. So today I take occasional trips with him to go to places that either have hairy logistics and can be prohibitively expensive for an individual trip, or places where I need some introduction to the lay of the land so I can visit subsequently on my own for further exploration without putting myself in danger of doing something (too) stupid.

I recommend him unequivocally for anyone an intermediate level looking to improve their skills. He is expensive and on a 2 year lead time, but if you can swing this there is A TON he can teach you in all aspects of landscape photography. No, I do not have any financial interest in this recommendation.



Apr 02, 2022 at 08:58 PM
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The first thing, really, is for you to decide what you want to learn and how you learn best: reading, YouTube videos (be careful of these), personal instruction, etc. Do you like to get pointed in a direction and run with it, or do you need a bit more hand-holding? How deep are you interested/willing to go with your art/skills? A

I think the GroovyGeek's camera/photo club idea is an excellent place to start—IF you can find a good local club that's interested in more than judging/scoring members' images.

In a club, you may find members whose skills/knowledge you appreciate, and I've found that club members (at least in CO and OR) are happy to share info, techniques, gear knowledge, locations, etc. You can also learn a lot by looking at submitted images, listening to presentations and participating in outings the club might offer. Those things could benefit you greatly and at minimal $ cost (there's obviously a time investment as well). Local photo meetup groups can offer some of the same benefits.

After you decide what you really want from a learning activity, look for that kind of activity and research the leader(s). For example, I've taken a couple of workshops from a very well-known photographer and learned a LOT—mostly about composition and how to really see what's before my eyes. Even with his well prepared workshops, there was a lot that didn't really help me. For example, he post-processes using software and techniques that don't apply to me—but his overall workflow could be adapted. And while his shooting style is different from mine, his approach was very helpful. That photographer makes an effort to spend some 1-on-1 time with each workshop participant, but there isn't much time for each participant because of the number of people in the workshop.

Very different, I also took a tour type workshop in another country. The leader didn't provide much useful instruction and spent more time taking his own photos than helping his paying customers. But the places he took us to were outstanding, the overall experience was great, and I made some new friends who I'm still in touch with. But this was about "enjoy the place" versus "learn how to make better images" activity.

You might also consider hiring someone for a 1-on-1 session or more, focused on what you want to learn more about. If you can find an appropriate tutor/mentor, I'd recommend this before looking at a workshop unless you happen to find a tour/workshop going to a place you really want to photograph/experience.



Apr 03, 2022 at 10:57 AM
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There are a lot of useful points of view, experiences, and advice in this thread. This variety confirms, I think, that there is no one right or best answer.

I will toss one more idea out there. This one is a bit tricky, won’t work for everyone, and likely requires certain personality types and more in order to work.

If you have an opportunity to develop a personal friendship with the right kinds of photographers, including some truly outstanding folks who are fine photographers, there is the possibility that you could become part of their circle of fellow photographers… and learn a lot of stuff, including things you are unlikely to pick up in workshops.

Today you can sometimes even establish such connections on social media and then transfer them to the real world. Perhaps a decade or more ago I became friends with some wonderful photographers and good people this way, and the relationships have transcended the online world.

One warning: Tread carefully here. Some photographers definitely do not welcome this, and you might antagonize some folks if you push too much. I have seen it happen.

Good luck.

Dan

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Apr 03, 2022 at 11:52 AM
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Most workshops have a very high number of participants per "instructor" and even when a name photographer is involved your time with that person will be greatly limited.

What I would recommend instead is hiring a photo guide for several days. You can check their website portfolio to see if they have the skills (shooting and processing) and knowledge of the area. An example is Ed MacKerrow who is based in New Mexico. Very accomplished photographer and a good choice for a guide and New Mexico would be a great place for landscape and people photography. Ed limits his workshops to 7 or fewer participants and he is personally leading them. He also does one on one training in post processing.

https://inlightofnature.com/

Do not expect to get help on how to use your camera and lenses in a workshop. Best to do that on your own shooting around your area.





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