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p.1 #1 · Nikon USA Factory - $89 Premium Maintenance experience


Sharing a recent positive experience with Nikon service in the USA, hope this will be of value to others.

I have 2 D500s which, since new, never focused any lens wide open well, until I used Auto AF Fine Tune and the Focal Pro software to adjust each lens to each body. Both are now going on 3 years old, and about 60K clicks on the shutters.

Since the majority of my work is wide open, high iso sports/action shooting, I depend this capability to work. I have got along just fine, or so I thought. My setup was different in both D500s. The AF Fine Tune settings varied depending on the lens, but were mostly all in the negative (-8 to -17) range to make work, and neither camera's settings matched the other with same lens ever.

Through another post out there on the internet, I read about a D500 owner, sometime within the last 3 years or so, who had some issues with his camera and sent it to be checked and cleaned and paid extra for the full service, and had the "Advanced Image Testing" and "Computer Calibrate Autofocus System" performed. He said when he got it back, it was better than new and never autofocused better and required ZERO AF fine tune settings, he had to turn the function off after the calibration was done. This got me to thinking, since it was time for service anyway... I should get this done and see if anything changes.

As a NPS member, I had sent cameras in before for Check and Cleans, but the AF calibration was not being performed in that step, but I saw it as an option on the Invoice, so I wondered WHY this wasn't very clear or considered? Nikon USA has changed the check and clean service to being called Factory Maintenance starting in January.

Link: https://www.nikonusa.com/en/service-and-support/factory-maintenance.page

As NPS, the Premium package is not what you get with NPS membership, it's the Standard package, so, after asking about this in an NPS support question, I found out that I need to request regular service and use my NPS discount to get this Premium service performed by Nikon, and with NPS you get expedited turnaround on this work.

So, took a chance, and paid the about $100 total (with discount) on one D500 camera in which had never been back to Nikon since new which was the oldest and the most wonky with it's AF performance. About a week later, it came back spotless and fully back to Nikon Factory Specifications and the printout that shows everything that was done (see Nikon's link below for what they do).

The very first thing I tried was a lens that previously would not work with any setting, it was beyond -20 it seemed. The lens was dead on tack sharp with AF Fine Tune turned off. Next lens, perfect, next lens and so on and each time WOW, it's dead on perfect, no matter which lens I put on it (even long primes, with a TC14EIII) are all dead on perfect with Auto AF Fine Tune turned off.

All I I can honestly say that the camera has NEVER focused as accurately or as consistently as it now has since I sent it in for the service. I went ahead and sent the second one in, and it came back, exactly the twin in terms of performance, just came back a few days ago.

In closing, if you are interested in this for your bodies, they must 1) be under factory support still (like a D3/D4 is too old) to get the service.

An example photo below is with the calibrated D500 and the lens that never worked with this body, an old very sharp, screw drive, AF 180mm F2.8D ED lens that was not able to get a sharp wide open image before the calibration.







Feb 28, 2022 at 09:13 PM
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p.1 #2 · Nikon USA Factory - $89 Premium Maintenance experience


Thank you for the report. I am about to send in my D4s next week for the same. Fortunately the D4s is still on the list even though the D4 is not. Seems odd.


Feb 28, 2022 at 11:08 PM
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p.1 #3 · Nikon USA Factory - $89 Premium Maintenance experience


Wow, love reading this, thanks! I may try this with my D500 and D850.


Mar 01, 2022 at 01:02 AM
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Don Ferrario wrote:
Thank you for the report. I am about to send in my D4s next week for the same. Fortunately the D4s is still on the list even though the D4 is not. Seems odd.


Yeah, it's time for my D4S to get the same treatment, just waiting for some work to allow it to be gone a week.



Mar 01, 2022 at 11:22 AM
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Shame on Nikon for sending out new cameras that need this much calibration.


Mar 01, 2022 at 11:27 AM
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mogul wrote:
Shame on Nikon for sending out new cameras that need this much calibration.


Couldn't agree more. I suspect this is a bigger issue than gets reported. I have personally tested a few new D500s and D850s for peers, and none of them worked.. this good. I am seeing the ability for the D500s lock on and stay in focus (with same settings as had before) to be closer in consistency to what I get now with my Z9 in the field, under same conditions with same lens.

Why they did not leave the factory perfectly setup is a huge miss. I guess a consumer who shoots stopped down all the time in good light wouldn't likely encounter this or if they did, wouldn't know this far down into the weeds to resolve the root cause of the whole issue in the first place.




Mar 01, 2022 at 11:38 AM
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Honestly, because as we all know - cost.

Taking the time to do this to every unit that leaves the factory would increase the labor requirements and therefore the cost and that would be passed on to the consumers. Not the board of directors or shareholders.

It's a numbers game. Most units shipped don't get this level of inspection by the end user and therefore there's no need to spend the time to do it for them - since it wouldn't be obvious to most regular users.

It's better, on the company side of things, to do it upon request and in this case they even charge you for it so not only is it something that shouldn't be required in the first place, but they've managed to add in a profit margin to doing it for you as a "benefit".

Pretty typical for almost every major company, tbh.



Mar 01, 2022 at 12:22 PM
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kreegerk wrote:
So, took a chance, and paid the about $100 total (with discount) on one D500 camera in which had never been back to Nikon since new which was the oldest and the most wonky with it's AF performance. About a week later, it came back spotless and fully back to Nikon Factory Specifications and the printout that shows everything that was done (see Nikon's link below for what they do).

The very first thing I tried was a lens that previously would not work with any setting, it was beyond -20 it seemed. The lens was dead on tack sharp with
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Awesome news! I've been meaning to this for my D810 that also needs a lot of AF fine tuning, I will do it sooner rather than later. It's a shame older cameras aren't on there though, I wonder for how long a camera stays on their service list.



Mar 02, 2022 at 08:40 AM
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Elusivesouls wrote:
Honestly, because as we all know - cost.

Taking the time to do this to every unit that leaves the factory would increase the labor requirements and therefore the cost and that would be passed on to the consumers. Not the board of directors or shareholders.

It's a numbers game. Most units shipped don't get this level of inspection by the end user and therefore there's no need to spend the time to do it for them - since it wouldn't be obvious to most regular users.

It's better, on the company side of things, to do it upon request and in this
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I'd be happy to pay $100 more per camera - already rolled into the MSRP - to have one that is perfect. Instead of getting frustrated, having to experiment with settings/calibration, before sending it back for something that should have been done at the beginning.

But to the OP - this is good to know as this is where we are. And sometimes things get knocked out of whack.



Mar 02, 2022 at 11:40 AM
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Desmolicious wrote:
I'd be happy to pay $100 more per camera - already rolled into the MSRP - to have one that is perfect. Instead of getting frustrated, having to experiment with settings/calibration, before sending it back for something that should have been done at the beginning.


The $100 is a rounding error in the total cost of ownership.

So, it would be interesting to hear back from others here on FM who have the Nikon USA Premium Factory service plan done to their DSLR, just to get a bigger baseline on this to see if the results are consistent. I am only a sample size of 2 D500s.



Mar 02, 2022 at 02:27 PM
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Thanks for the feedback. I'll be sending my D500 in soon.

I have a 200-500 that I feel might not be quite perfect. Any thoughts on the changes made in lenses with focus calibration?



Mar 06, 2022 at 01:58 PM
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Standard ratio of actual cost to MSRP mark-up is 4-6x. So that $100 tune-up adds $400-600 to the cost of your camera. That's probably high on the actual cost, so the figure is more like $250-400. To every camera, regardless of other costs. Adding that *may* make sense for a Z9/7/D6/850 level camera, probably doesn't for a Z6/D780/500, and certainly doesn't for anything below that. And, even after all that you are likely only finding real errors in 2-3% of the cases. If you work in manufacturing, you run these numbers all the time, and unless you are in Ferrari/Leica/Cartier like prices and luxury + purpose categories, chasing that last percent is seldom worth it. Remember, those of us here on FM and in the gear forums are far from the normal buyer/use categories (in ways both good and bad).


Mar 06, 2022 at 04:41 PM
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EliJoe1 wrote:
Thanks for the feedback. I'll be sending my D500 in soon.

I have a 200-500 that I feel might not be quite perfect. Any thoughts on the changes made in lenses with focus calibration?


I also have a 200-500. With the D500s after they were recalibrated, can't find AF fault with any of lens.

My advice is to take images of something before it goes back to Nikon, and repeat after to compare. My simple test - focus on mailbox numbers 20-30 yards away as a simple test for distance check, single point AF, and wide open. You may have something, also, but use a real world example, not a test target.



Mar 17, 2022 at 01:14 PM
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So I sent my D810 into Nikon for the Premium Maintenance & Inspection Service at the start of this month. They charged me roughly $125, note that I'm not an NPS member. Once the camera arrived at their NY service center it took them 5 business days to complete the maintenance.

When they sent the camera back they also sent a maintenance report with all the items they inspected and calibrated. Everything including the "Computer Focus Calibration" was listed as "within standard". The AF calibration was not performed even though all my AF-S lenses require around -10 Fine Tuning and my AF D lenses require -13 Default. I performed my usual focus tests to confirm the AF system wasn't changed. Other than that the camera looks like new now, very clean.

Maybe the D810 doesn't get the same treatment as the newer models, not sure. I've read that others have had this experience, but I can't remember the specifics of those cases.



Mar 22, 2022 at 11:54 AM
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Followup on this thread. I sent my D4s in for premium service, specifically calling their attention that I wanted the focus system calibrated. I learned that the web site offer of $89 for premium service says "starting at." The charge for the D4s is $184.95. I am NPS Level 3, so they applied a partial discount of 25%. I called for clarification and the agent said most of the consumer models are $89, but the D4, D5, D6 are more complicated. Thats not surprising so I was ok with it.


Mar 23, 2022 at 04:43 PM
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Wow! Reading this thread I decided to send in my D810 (13K shutter count) to see if they’d do anything with the AF fine tune. Nikon received my camera on a Friday and shipped it the following Tuesday. Report said they checked everything and adjusted auto focus operations and the meter. And they did! Prior to service, my 50 1.4D needed a -15, after service it was 0. Spot on. My 24 1.4G needed -9 before service, +5 afterwards. We’ll worth the $125 (with shipping and tax). Thanks, kreegerk, for posting this thread!


Apr 22, 2022 at 07:30 AM
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I'm very interested in AF testing, cleaning and re-calibration for my D610 and D500 cameras. And probably my 200-500 lens as well. To clarify, I should select the "Premium" option under "Maintenance Packages" found here?

https://www.nikonusa.com/en/service-and-support/factory-maintenance.page

And not use the "SETUP A REPAIR" on the "Service & Repair" page here?

https://www.nikonusa.com/en/Service-And-Support/Service-And-Repair.page#service


EDIT: Both links above launch the same page:
https://repair.nikonusa.com/en/ProductEntry

So either link works? A bit confused? /EDIT


Q1) Should I send my D500 and 200-500 in for testing/repair at the same time?

Q2) Will Nikon test/re-calibrate the camera/lens combo together or separately?

Q3) How did you ship camera and lens? In original box? New box? Will you receive original box back if you ship camera/lens in them? Carrier? Shipping class? Insurance? Shipping cost?

THANKS in ADVANCE.



Apr 22, 2022 at 11:50 AM
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I suggest you call Nikon USA and discuss your needs. They actually answer the phone and are very easy to talk to. The prices shown for the services are "from", they do not apply to all models.


Apr 22, 2022 at 07:14 PM
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Yes, just call them and they will tell you how to go about it. I took the battery and cards out and put on a body cap and wrapped it in bubble wrap and packed it in an 8x8x8 box and UPSd it. Couldn’t be easier. I didn’t send a lens so I can’t speak to that.


Apr 22, 2022 at 08:26 PM
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kreegerk wrote:
Couldn't agree more. I suspect this is a bigger issue than gets reported. I have personally tested a few new D500s and D850s for peers, and none of them worked.. this good. I am seeing the ability for the D500s lock on and stay in focus (with same settings as had before) to be closer in consistency to what I get now with my Z9 in the field, under same conditions with same lens.

Why they did not leave the factory perfectly setup is a huge miss. I guess a consumer who shoots stopped down all the time in good
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I'm with you guys. Ridiculous that the results are so dramatic. Get it right the first time Nikon. Please.

Maybe I'm a much better photographer than I think and my camera just needs some work. But probably not...



Apr 24, 2022 at 12:49 PM
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