p.4 #1 · 8 reasons why I love the M11 compared to the M10
pmeheut wrote:
Ok, I'm biased because I loved every M camera I owned, digital or film except maybe for the M8.
And each time, I'm thinking I will keep the own I have and not buy the new one but resistance to GAS is futile.
Anyhow, compared to my original M10, here are the things I like:
- USB-C. This is great. I was at the hotel and wanted to transfer pictures to the MacBook Pro. I removed the USB-C cable from the charger, connected it to the M11 and transferred the image. I then removed the cable from the MacPro, connected this end to the power adapter and used it to recharge the M11 battery. Beats using a M10.
- WiFi: my son asked me to send him pictures of the city I was visiting. I transferred pictures to the iPhone using Leica Fotos which is surprisingly fast and sent the jpeg to him. I also used it to upgrade the firmware.
- LiveView: I can use it a lot without eating the battery and this is great. Because I like having a modern metering system all the time, because I use the rangefinder for street photography but LiveView for landscape, architecture...
- LiveView also gives me an artificial horizon and it helps a lot. Because of my astigmatism, I cannot get the camera level by myself.
- 60 Mpix. I do not care so much for the highest resolution because I've printed A3+ or A2 pictures with a lot less pixels and they look great. But I've been playing with the 135/3.5 Apo and I get a 180mm with 36 Mpix and a 250mm with 18 Mpix. And the pictures are great. Even my 28/2 can become a 35mm or a 50mm if I crop. Very convenient when I do not have enough time to switch lenses
- weight: I really feel the difference with the M10
- shutter noise: same here
- almost everything else: the touchscreen, the ergonomics...
The M10 is still a great camera though and I can shoot pictures as good as the one I get out of the M10. But this has been true for decades: I take the pictures and having a better camera increases my comfort and gives me a few more opportunities but nothing more.
What I do not like:
- slow to power-on. I can live with that but I do not understand why digital Ms have been like this since day one when other manufacturer do not have the same problem
- the delay before I can shoot again in single picture mode. No big deal but it is bigger than the M10.
- it froze once. So I removed the battery and if you push the lever quickly, the security does not work. I caught the battery before it fell but still...
- Geotagging is not yet implemented
- Full support in Capture One is not here yet. We have a color profile and it is great not to have to wait for a few month but digital zooming is not taken into account
What I would like:
- for Leica or even better Voigtlander to build a 28-35-50-75/2.8, designed as a zoom like the WATE. Why Voigt? Because it will still be very close optically and mechanically to Leica standards but for 1/4 of the price.
Thanks for the report. How's the smartphone connectivity? Is it stable? I've read it's pretty good (it has to be better than what Sony and Nikon are offering).
p.4 #2 · 8 reasons why I love the M11 compared to the M10
Arka wrote:
How's the smartphone connectivity? Is it stable? I've read it's pretty good (it has to be better than what Sony and Nikon are offering).
Perfectly usable. I do not use it a lot but I have an anecdote: I was visiting Zagreb, Croatia (nice city & country btw) and shot a few pictures.
Then my son calls and asks how it is. I connected the M11 to my phone, transferred a few pictures wirelessly and sent them to him by text (or email, do not remember).
It took me 2 minutes, everything worked flawlessly. I've used it several times since and the experience has been the same.
But I prefer not to look at my pictures after shooting them for a while so I usually transfer them a few days later with an USB-C cable.
p.4 #3 · 8 reasons why I love the M11 compared to the M10
It's a big win for the M11 in regards to smartphone connectivity and transferring. It's super fast compared to the M10-R. The latter takes 33 seconds to create a WIFI connection whereas the M11 only takes a couple seconds.
p.4 #4 · 8 reasons why I love the M11 compared to the M10
Thanks @pmeheut and @Fred Miranda. That is encouraging. For a company better known for its mechanical and optical prowess, it's impressive to see that Leica can build more usable connectivity infrastructure than the vaunted tech giants like Nikon or Sony.
p.4 #5 · 8 reasons why I love the M11 compared to the M10
Looks like the m11 price on the boards is coming down. I keep telling myself, "I love my m10-R." and I intend on keeping it, but as the m11 gets closer to the m10-R price, I wonder how long I can hold out.
p.4 #6 · 8 reasons why I love the M11 compared to the M10
Matt Kerby wrote:
Looks like the m11 price on the boards is coming down. I keep telling myself, "I love my m10-R." and I intend on keeping it, but as the m11 gets closer to the m10-R price, I wonder how long I can hold out.
There is no reason to switch unless you want it and have the money.
p.4 #7 · 8 reasons why I love the M11 compared to the M10
So far you are absolutely right.
I have all the ND filters and everything I need for use. I never use my Visoflex, pretty much always just the rangefinder. I don't really care about the wireless connection. Plus, I don't like trying to sell bodies
pmeheut wrote:
There is no reason to switch unless you want it and have the money.
p.4 #8 · 8 reasons why I love the M11 compared to the M10
When using my M10 for street photography, I would just turn off sleep completely. The camera would go through batteries quicker but be available instantaneously to take a shot (just like a film camera).
If you want to be able to take a picture at a moments notice, just turn off sleep/standby entirely.
p.4 #9 · 8 reasons why I love the M11 compared to the M10
ZacP wrote:
When using my M10 for street photography, I would just turn off sleep completely. The camera would go through batteries quicker but be available instantaneously to take a shot (just like a film camera).
If you want to be able to take a picture at a moments notice, just turn off sleep/standby entirely.
This is excellent advice for the street photographer. I also turn off Auto Review to partly compensate for the additional battery usage and carry two spare batteries.
p.4 #10 · 8 reasons why I love the M11 compared to the M10
ZacP wrote:
When using my M10 for street photography, I would just turn off sleep completely. The camera would go through batteries quicker but be available instantaneously to take a shot (just like a film camera).
If you want to be able to take a picture at a moments notice, just turn off sleep/standby entirely.
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genji wrote:
This is excellent advice for the street photographer. I also turn off Auto Review to partly compensate for the additional battery usage and carry two spare batteries.
Agree! Great tip, especially for the new M11 which closes the shutter when going to standby and has to re-open when coming back. (more delay and shutter usage)
p.4 #11 · 8 reasons why I love the M11 compared to the M10
Fred Miranda wrote:
...the M10-R.. takes 33 seconds to create a WIFI connection...
I could never figure out why the M10 takes so long to activate Wi-Fi. It's almost shameful, for the cost of Leica products, no?
They certain addressed it on the M11, but I wish the Leica Photos functionality on the M11 would also just show me the damned password, for manual entry into my phone's Wi-Fi connections. As the M10 would...
p.4 #14 · 8 reasons why I love the M11 compared to the M10
Sauseschritt wrote:
I prefer charging my cameras without risking damage to their mainboards.
You must confuse USB-C with coal or something.
Did you know that a lot of people charge a lot of things daily using USB? And they do not damage them? Their smartphone for instance?
You should consider leaving the 19th century and embrace the 20th. We'll talk about the 21th later, when you are ready, in a few decades.
p.4 #15 · 8 reasons why I love the M11 compared to the M10
geoffreyg wrote:
Interesting discussion, but its hard to see how the M11 could be better than the M10M - which is close to perfect.
I definitely wouldn't say it's better than the M10*M* since the M10M high-ISO and overall tonality is incomparable. M10M and M11 would be a nice combo, even with the mismatched batteries.
That said, the b&w conversions from the M11 are very, very good. B&w conversions from the M11 have nearly the same tonality as conversions from the GFX 100S. Can't get much better than those two cameras if you prefer converting from color.
p.4 #16 · 8 reasons why I love the M11 compared to the M10
I think one of the big advantages to a monochrome camera is the commitment to B&W from the get go. Like putting a roll of B&W film in 35mm camera. You are fully committed to that process.
p.4 #17 · 8 reasons why I love the M11 compared to the M10
highdesertmesa wrote:
I definitely wouldn't say it's better than the M10*M* since the M10M high-ISO and overall tonality is incomparable. M10M and M11 would be a nice combo, even with the mismatched batteries.
That said, the b&w conversions from the M11 are very, very good. B&w conversions from the M11 have nearly the same tonality as conversions from the GFX 100S. Can't get much better than those two cameras if you prefer converting from color.
p.4 #18 · 8 reasons why I love the M11 compared to the M10
airfrogusmc wrote:
I think one of the big advantages to a monochrome camera is the commitment to B&W from the get go. Like putting a roll of B&W film in 35mm camera. You are fully committed to that process.
Agree. And also limited to the color filtration done at the time of capture. It's about as close as you can get to a b&w film experience – though I do wish Leica would produce an M11M-D without the rear screen alongside the expected M11-D.
p.4 #19 · 8 reasons why I love the M11 compared to the M10
I've never tried the M10-M but from what I've read it has much lower 'read noise' (perhaps 1 or 2 stops than cameras using with a color filter array).
But what about highlight recovery? How does it compare to the M10-R for example?
