Try shooting a second before the ball arrives? The camera is lightening fast, so it must be a technique issue. Maybe post a question in the sports section, or PM leewoolery.
JoshmkII wrote:
@gdsf2@
Ah hells... I got a reply elsewhere about the focus v release options to change it to Release instead of Focus..
And I do bbf and in most of the situations I noticed the delay, I was "locked" on target...which is one of the reasons why I noticed that I wasn't getting the 1st shot or even two
It is a setting that is wrong. I use BBF and my shutter is set at release. I know that my camera is going to shoot whenever the I hit the shutter button because I get 10 or 20 shots a game of the floor or my leg because I hit the shutter button either on top or on the grip. That is from me raising the camera for a shot or me putting in down during a timeout. Those shots are never in focus because I am not engaging the AF button.
There is a lot of denial in this thread about the stacked sensor high frequency banding problem.
it is real and it is not only in advertising banners in the background.
Side line action is a real problem. When players are close enough to the sidelines, corners and goal line there is a problem because the light from the banners illuminates the players. When this happens there is pretty serious banding and it is actually worse in daylight because the advertising banners are set to their highest power.
The problem is not the banners either. The banners are real world elements in sports photography and in a world where video counts 98% and stills counts 2%. There is no way that they are going to change out about $800,000 and up in video ad banners for the lack of a mechanical shutter in a camera.
I have shot with and without a mechanical shutter in front of the same video advertising banners and fine banding of current tech banners goes away with mechanical shutter in nearly all cases or becomes smooth enough to not be a big deal.
Sideline action is where some of the best moments are. On top of that it is where the players sometimes engage the cameras like when thy do a celebratory run after scoring.
Here is how it happens with the Sony a9.... sure the z9 and a1 are faster readout sensors, but that will only reduce the total amount of lines from top to bottom.
There are also banding issues with HSS flash and this is a problem for sports if you want to go to high shutter speeds.
Way to early to make a flagship camera without a mechanical shutter. There are also limits as to how much you can tweak sensor readout line timing especially at high shutter speeds.
The solution is to keep a mechanical shutter camera for sideline and work where the ad value of the advertising banners is important to the client, such as the home team that is selling the ads. You can rest assured that it will be a problem. I spoke to the VP of a huge ad placement company and it is already becoming an issue. Clients pay huge fees for ads and the whole sports world relies on it.
FredBGG wrote:
There is a lot of denial in this thread about the stacked sensor high frequency banding problem.
it is real and it is not only in advertising banners in the background.
Side line action is a real problem. When players are close enough to the sidelines, corners and goal line there is a problem because the light from the banners illuminates the players. When this happens there is pretty serious banding and it is actually worse in daylight because the advertising banners are set to their highest power.
The problem is not the banners either. The banners are real world elements in sports photography and in a world where video counts 98% and stills counts 2%. There is no way that they are going to change out about $800,000 and up in video ad banners for the lack of a mechanical shutter in a camera.
I have shot with and without a mechanical shutter in front of the same video advertising banners and fine banding of current tech banners goes away with mechanical shutter in nearly all cases or becomes smooth enough to not be a big deal.
Sideline action is where some of the best moments are. On top of that it is where the players sometimes engage the cameras like when thy do a celebratory run after scoring.
Here is how it happens with the Sony a9.... sure the z9 and a1 are faster readout sensors, but that will only reduce the total amount of lines from top to bottom.
There are also banding issues with HSS flash and this is a problem for sports if you want to go to high shutter speeds.
Way to early to make a flagship camera without a mechanical shutter. There are also limits as to how much you can tweak sensor readout line timing especially at high shutter speeds.
The solution is to keep a mechanical shutter camera for sideline and work where the ad value of the advertising banners is important to the client, such as the home team that is selling the ads. You can rest assured that it will be a problem. I spoke to the VP of a huge ad placement company and it is already becoming an issue. Clients pay huge fees for ads and the whole sports world relies on it. ...Show more →
While I agree with you, posting A9 photos in a Z9 thread isn't helpful.
I would love to see more examples of supposed Z9 banding. So far, the examples posted have been minor if not irrelevant.
That's sad... I enjoy your work and enjoyed your input. Just ignore the angry old men that lurk on here. The "block user/hide" button is my favorite tool of choice.
Someone got so mad at me for saying I'd owned the 200mm 2.0VRII that they PM'd me to call me a liar.....
Here.... I'll help get us back on track. Here is one from yesterday of me messing around with my new camera/lens. Wrong shutter speed but still fun.
leewoolery wrote:
Man did this thread go off the rails.
Had I known it would result in some of these comments, I never would started it.
...will never post photos or comments on FM ever again.
Forums have great potential to inform and share successes/failures. However "the mine is better crowd" and others that want to beat down a particular product seem to overpower the voices like Lee Woolery who are an asset to FM.
Truly sad and I understand why it takes place. I am relatively new here as a poster compared to others and I guess Lee is one of many that have come to the same conclusion.......what's the use?
Forums have great potential to inform and share successes/failures. However "the mine is better crowd" and others that want to beat down a particular product seem to overpower the voices like Lee Woolery who are an asset to FM.
Truly sad and I understand why it takes place. I am relatively new here as a poster compared to others and I guess Lee is one of many that have come to the same conclusion.......what's the use?
I have been reading a lot of the posts on this thread and by the far the most posts have been very civil. Just because someone makes an observation that is not a glowing recommendation or a comparison of two different brands were they feel one might be slightly better than another does not imply that the Z9 is crap. I have been a Nikon user for many years, more than some of you even started to use a camera, but I switched to Sony when Nikon’s or Canon’s mirrorless offering was not as good as Sony’s (that’s a fact). It took several years for Nikon to catch up and they seem to have finally did. From the reviews, while neither camera is clearly ahead in all areas, the A1 and the Z9 are both excellent, and if I still owned Nikon gear, I would have purchased a Z9, but I have an A1. Now let’s all stop being crybabies.
Yes, ignore those and keep showing your pics. I enjoy being able to see and learn from what others are doing. I love to learn form those have been doing this much longer than i have and learning about their experience. I value that experience to help me move forward to get better in the future. I just wish others would show us and give their experience instead of always trying to knock down future technology that makes things easier.
Good game against Baylor with a Win for Texas Tech last night.
Dbltfarmer wrote:
Yes, ignore those and keep showing your pics. I enjoy being able to see and learn from what others are doing. I love to learn form those have been doing this much longer than i have and learning about their experience. I value that experience to help me move forward to get better in the future. I just wish others would show us and give their experience instead of always trying to knock down future technology that makes things easier.
Good game against Baylor with a Win for Texas Tech last night.
Guns up! Great images from the game. I'm not an alum, but Texas Tech is on my son's short list of schools that he is considering. Need to make it down there for a campus visit and a game.
I really appreciate the image posts and EXIF data to see what others are experiencing, and the images that the Nikon sensor is capable of and under what light conditions.
Great set! If you don't mind sharing - what is your AF setup for basketball? I'm trying to find the right AF for lacrosse, which has a similar mash up of multiple bodies, albeit outdoors. Again, great set!
I appreciate the post. I was wondering if you had any issues with eye detection while shooting basketball. I found it jumped around from player to player potentially in the picture. I ended up turning eye detection off for sports with multiple participants. No doubt eye detection works well otherwise.
I shot about 25 games with my Z9 in basketball. 70-200, 24-70, 300 F2.8.
Depends on which lens you are talking about, but for 70-200 try Wide Area Large with people on. I shoot there the most. If you want a smaller target selection, try wide area Small.
