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For SA, what will be a better pairing with Nikon 180-600, 24-120 F4 or Tamron 35-150? My back up camera will be RX10 IV.


For Kruger National Park and the greater Kruger I would take the 35-150mm with your 180-600mm and you'll be set. It doesn't hurt to have a fast lens like the 35-150 vs the F4 on the 24-120. If I was still shooting my 400TC I would have replaced my 70-200mm 2.8 with the 35-150mm (it's that good of a lens and perfect for SA).



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robert_in_ca wrote:
For Kruger National Park and the greater Kruger I would take the 35-150mm with your 180-600mm and you'll be set. It doesn't hurt to have a fast lens like the 35-150 vs the F4 on the 24-120. If I was still shooting my 400TC I would have replaced my 70-200mm 2.8 with the 35-150mm (it's that good of a lens and perfect for SA).


Since this is a primary a photo safari trip the only national park that we will be hitting is going to be Pilanesberg National Park. Why do you think 35-150 is better? Is it because of the wider aperture?

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ajamils wrote:
Since this is a primary a photo safari trip the only national park that we will be hitting is going to be Pilanesberg National Park. Why do yu think 35-150 is better? Is it because of the wider aperture?


Well PNP is relatively smaller and therefore the game will be concentrated. Other than size and weight of the Z 24-120mm, the 35-150mm not only has a wider aperture (and also has longer reach) which is good to have. You really want to have one mid-range lens with a faster aperture.



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I would also go with the 35-150. On safari you are much more likely to want to shoot at 120-150mm than you are at 24-35mm. The 35-150's fast aperture also gives you a faster option at the beginning and end of the day when many good sightings occur. My "short" lens on safari is a 70-200 2.8. If there was a 35-150 available for Canon R I would take that. The rare times when I need to go wider I use my iPhone.


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In Namibia, I found that pretty much everything was 300+. I only took a literal handful at 70-200.


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I would also go with the 35-150.  On safari you are much more likely to want to shoot at 120-150mm than you are at 24-35mm. The 35-150's fast aperture also gives you a faster option at the beginning and end of the day when many good sightings occur.  My "short" lens on safari is a 70-200 2.8.  If there was a 35-150 available for Canon R I would take that.  The rare times when I need to go wider I use my iPhone.

You guys are killing me . I bought the 24-140 specifically for this trip as I am looking to shed some weigh to accommodate another body (RX10 IV) and an action cam but I understand your logic as well and it does make sense.



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ajamils wrote:
You guys are killing me . I bought the 24-140 specifically for this trip as I am looking to shed some weigh to accommodate another body (RX10 IV) and an action cam but I understand your logic as well and it does make sense.


Yeah, my short lens on all 4 trips was the 70-200 f/2.8. Last trip I did throw the RF 16mm f/2.8 (couldn't resist it at $179) in a jacket pocket and used it twice out of about 20k photos.



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Which airlines have lie flat seats in Business to Africa either direct from the USA (United flies from Newark NJ) or Europe?

We usually fly Turkish Air because they have a nice lounge for stopover in Istanbul.They have lie flat seats on US to Europe...and Istanbul to Africa (usually but not always - have to check the plane they are using).

We've flown Lufthansa to Namibia (USA to Germany to Windhoek - and the flight to Namibia did not have lie flat seats (+ the flight was via a subsidiary of Lufthansa). It was a great price for business class, but
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To South Africa (CPT/JNB), I love Virgin Upper Class. The clubhouse in LHR is great. The only problem is LHR if you choose to go outside the terminal. The LHR airport staff can be somewhat strict with cabin luggage checking in.



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I went to South Africa Botswana Zambia Namibia Tanzania 2 years ago. It’s all good but be careful with disease outbreaks.
It can happen quickly in Africa. It seems to happen more in central Africa. Vaccines are required based on current outbreaks and not 100 % effective.
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Well the trip is finally here! After a year of planning my wife and I arrived at Masai Mara a few days ago to start our safari journey. So far we have been on 4 drives and I have been able to practice the amazing advice I learned on this forum after reading the entire thread months ago which took many weeks to read.

The best advice I learned was to get low - to create background and not shoot into the ground. Also helpful was to get some wide shots and not always close ups. I am shooting with the Sony A7R5, Sony 300 2.8 + 1.4 extender (mainly, but also have a second A7R5, 70-200 2.8, and 16-35 2.8), and the Smallrig cage with top handle. I have been hanging over the window edge of the vehicle and using the swivel LCD. The Smallrig cage is perfect. Anyway, here are a few of the shots so far. We have 1 more drive this afternoon, and then we leave for Tanzania and then next week Rwanda. This has been the trip of a lifetime so far, particularly the Cheetah live chase and kill today. Saw the chase through binoculars and was too stunned as I watched live to grab the rig (would have missed it had I done that anyway). We got to the kill site 2 minutes later.

Such a great time. Thanks for viewing!





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elfanucchi wrote:
I went to South Africa Botswana Zambia Namibia Tanzania 2 years ago. It’s all good but be careful with disease outbreaks.
It can happen quickly in Africa. It seems to happen more in central Africa. Vaccines are required based on current outbreaks and not 100 % effective.
Photography is Awesome.


Monkeypox vaccine now available in the US. Getting that (along with covid and Flu) and going to start taking Malaria pills about 3 days before I leave.




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I returned home a week ago from a month in Kenya and Tanzania and it was an exceptional experience. Before launching into the trip report, I want to thank those FM members who so generously offered advice and guidance for this trip. The information was invaluable and helped to make the trip as successful as possible.

Upon arriving in Nairobi, I spent three days at Ololo Lodge in Nairobi National Park. This time was mainly to get over the worst of the jet lag coming from the western US, but also to get into safari shooting mode. The decision to spend time there was a good one. The lodge is really nice and the staff are terrific. Nairobi National Park was the only place on my trip where I saw rhinos, both black and southern white rhinos. Another highlight was watching a serval hunt a rat then take it back to her two kittens to play with. I was over the moon about that because I actually did not expect to see servals at all, then saw three just a couple of days into the trip. Little did I know that I would be fortunate enough to see more both in Maasai Mara and Serengeti.

For the Maasai Mara portion of the trip, I signed up for two successive weeks with David Lloyd. We were originally supposed to be at Entim Camp the full time but the camp cancelled the reservations and David found other camps at the last minute. This turned out to be a very fortunate change. The first week was spent in the Ripoi Conservancy and we stayed at Mara Siana Camp. During two of the days, we went into the Maasai Mara National Reserve to shoot the river crossings, but otherwise stayed in the Ripoi Conservancy. I absolutely loved both the camp and the Ripoi Conservancy. All of the staff at the camp, including the guides, are Maasai. They have an incredibly deep connection with the land and wildlife and it is very apparent. Our guides, Salaash and Fred, were incredible. They know the area like the back of their hands. Their knowledge of pretty much everything was impressive and they were more than happy to give information and share their knowledge.

Ripoi Conservancy is new and at this point, the wildlife is still getting used to visitors. Planning for the conservancy has been aimed at keeping the number of people low with a maximum of one guest per 350 acres. This was terrific as we never saw a single other vehicle while there. Photography there was excellent. Highlights for me were lions, including cubs, cheetah, elephants, and giraffe. We also saw a vulture feeding frenzy that was unlike anything that I have ever witnessed. It was a pulsing, seething, noisy, bickering mass of vultures on zebra corpse. It proved to be a challenging situation for my cameras autofocus, but I got a few good shots although I really don't think that still photos captured the way that the feeding frenzy seemed to have its own life. If I had to choose a favorite place from this trip, it would be the Mara Siana Camp and the Ripoi Conservancy.

During two days that that we ventured into the Maasai Mara National Reserve, we did see a pretty good river crossing, although there were so many vehicles that the dust was incredible and some of the drivers broke off the chain of wildebeest which cut the crossing shorter than it probably otherwise would have been. We also saw a cheetah hunt a hare and that was the only cheetah hunt that I saw during my trip.

For the second week with David, we moved to the northern Maasai Mara and stayed at Mara Tangulia. As with the previous camp, all of the staff and guides were Maasai, so there was definitely a consistency with the level of knowledge and the approach taken to game drives. Highlights from this area were the Marsh Pride, a male lion who is not part of the Marsh Pride, elephants, servals (two kittens, did not see the mom), baboons, mongoose, and various birds with a particularly not shy lilac breasted roller. There was one baby elephant that was a real character and so much fun to watch and photograph.

The week in Tanzania was handled differently and we moved to a different place nearly every night. This part was run by a different operator (Primaland Safaris and Inscape Photo Tours) and was a more budget friendly safari. During this part of the trip, we visited Arusha National Park, Ngorongoro Crater, and Serengeti National Park. We saw a couple of Mara River crossings but with the vehicle competition for spots, I was never in a particularly good position for photos. Admittedly, this seemed to be a problem everywhere and was not a fault of the driver/guide. Plus, it seemed that in Tanzania, vehicles were restricted to a further distance from the river. The best photographic opportunities that we had were cheetahs (both single and in a coalition of three) and lions. One lion pride had at least 16 individuals including eight cubs that were still nursing. With another group of lions, we had the opportunity to photograph a little cub that had climbed on top of a rock outcrop and did some posing for us. There was also a serval and for the life of me, I don't know how the guides knew where to turn off to find it but they did. The Serengeti was incredibly dusty and definitely in general, more dusty than the Maasai Mara area.

As discussed previously in this thread, the national parks see far more vehicle traffic than the conservancies. It was much more pleasurable to be in the conservancies where there were fewer vehicles. This also goes for areas of the parks that are not so busy as well. If I am fortunate enough to go again, I keep time in the national parks to a minimum and spend the majority of time in the less frequented areas.

On gear, I took a little more than needed, but I did use almost everything that I packed. Here is the list, with comments on usage:

Three Sony A1 bodies (used extensively, obviously)
Sony 300mm f2.8 prime lens - used extensively and more than any other lens, both with and without the 1.4x and 2.0x teleconverters
Sony 1.4x and 2.0 x teleconverters (see above - used extensively)
Sony 200-600mm lens - used extensively during the first part of the trip and less so later on, mostly because I wanted to simplify while in the vehicle. I was able to get some images with this lens that I would not have been able to otherwise without the zoom.
Sony 70-200 f2.8 GM II - used a lot
Sony 24-70 - used infrequently
Tamron 17-28 - did not use
Monopod - used infrequently to get low angle shots (had some trouble with the AF using my cable release and finally gave up)

I have not yet had time to work on editing images but hope to do so in the coming weeks. Have a lot on my plate with other things right now but will try to upload as I can.

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anotherhobby wrote:
Well the trip is finally here! After a year of planning my wife and I arrived at Masai Mara a few days ago to start our safari journey. So far we have been on 4 drives and I have been able to practice the amazing advice I learned on this forum after reading the entire thread months ago which took many weeks to read.

The best advice I learned was to get low - to create background and not shoot into the ground. Also helpful was to get some wide shots and not always close ups. I am shooting with the
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Nice work, I hope you see some Leh-Puds before you leave and I hope you score in Rwanda.



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anotherhobby wrote:
Well the trip is finally here! After a year of planning my wife and I arrived at Masai Mara a few days ago to start our safari journey. So far we have been on 4 drives and I have been able to practice the amazing advice I learned on this forum after reading the entire thread months ago which took many weeks to read.

The best advice I learned was to get low - to create background and not shoot into the ground. Also helpful was to get some wide shots and not always close ups. I am shooting with the
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Fantastic... hope you have a wonderful time and I can promise you that no only will you'll remember this trip for the rest of your life, you'll want to keep going back!!!



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Abuttolph wrote:
I returned home a week ago from a month in Kenya and Tanzania and it was an exceptional experience. Before launching into the trip report, I want to thank those FM members who so generously offered advice and guidance for this trip. The information was invaluable and helped to make the trip as successful as possible.

Upon arriving in Nairobi, I spent three days at Ololo Lodge in Nairobi National Park. This time was mainly to get over the worst of the jet lag coming from the western US, but also to get into safari shooting mode. The decision to spend
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Great report, thanks for sharing! Really glad to hear you had such a great time, it sounds like you saw lots.



Sep 06, 2024 at 11:46 AM
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Great safari report, I'm glad you ended up loving your 300mm prime and also that you didn't get stuck in the NP for two weeks as you would have missed out on a lot.

Abuttolph wrote:
All of the staff at the camp, including the guides, are Maasai. They have an incredibly deep connection with the land and wildlife and it is very apparent. Our guides, Salaash and Fred, were incredible. They know the area like the back of their hands. Their knowledge of pretty much everything was impressive and they were more than happy to give information and share their knowledge. .


You will find this experience is the same at nearly all mid to top tier camps in the Kenya conservancies. The guides are local Maasai people and they are the true experts who put you in the right spot and educate you along the way. You will likely have the same comments above for every camp you stay at. This is the reason why we had a discussion a few pages back about going on your own and getting a private vehicle instead of paying for a photo guided safari. It's all about the silver rated Maasai guides, you can't go wrong. And some of them are great photographers too.

Abuttolph wrote:
We also saw a vulture feeding frenzy that was unlike anything that I have ever witnessed


These are so fun to watch as all the vultures have a bloody fight with each other and battle for position while playing king of the hill to see who reigns king and can stand on top of the kill above all the others.

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We also saw a cheetah hunt a hare and that was the only cheetah hunt that I saw during my trip.


That's great you saw one as they are not so common as they hunt every few days. But it helps if you are in a conservancy as the guides will know which day they will likely hunt. To see one live you often have to track with them throughout the day until they pounce.

Unless I missed it, I didn't see you mention any leopards? I'm hoping you spent time with some, but if not I guess you'll have to go back next year.



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Alan Kefauver wrote:
Yeah, my short lens on all 4 trips was the 70-200 f/2.8. Last trip I did throw the RF 16mm f/2.8 (couldn't resist it at $179) in a jacket pocket and used it twice out of about 20k photos.


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anotherhobby wrote:
Well the trip is finally here! After a year of planning my wife and I arrived at Masai Mara a few days ago to start our safari journey. So far we have been on 4 drives and I have been able to practice the amazing advice I learned on this forum after reading the entire thread months ago which took many weeks to read.

The best advice I learned was to get low - to create background and not shoot into the ground. Also helpful was to get some wide shots and not always close ups. I am shooting with the
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Abuttolph wrote:
I returned home a week ago from a month in Kenya and Tanzania and it was an exceptional experience. Before launching into the trip report, I want to thank those FM members who so generously offered advice and guidance for this trip. The information was invaluable and helped to make the trip as successful as possible.

Upon arriving in Nairobi, I spent three days at Ololo Lodge in Nairobi National Park. This time was mainly to get over the worst of the jet lag coming from the western US, but also to get into safari shooting mode. The decision to spend
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Thanks for the report. Based on your reply and others, is it safe to assume that I should leave UWA (14-30 F4) at home as it is not needed? My widest FL would be 35mm (Tamron 35-150) and longest would be 600 mm (Nikon 180-600 and Sony RX10 IV)



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Thanks for the report. Based on your reply and others, is it safe to assume that I should leave UWA (14-30 F4) at home as it is not needed? My widest FL would be 35mm (Tamron 35-150) and longest would be 600 mm (Nikon 180-600 and Sony RX10 IV)


Unless you're planning on doing landscapes or have a specific image in mind that necessitates it, I don't think you'll miss the UWA. Something fun to try that I think is more useful on safari is multiple images that you stitch together to get a wider field of view. Often the wildlife isn't close enough to frame nicely with a wide angle but you want to capture more of the environment than you can with your telephoto. Flip the camera to portrait and take a few shots with a bit of overlap. Stitching it together is super simple with Lightroom these days. Here's a couple examples.













Both images are made up of 2 shots each. The first is with the RF600 f/4 and the second is with the RF100-300 with the 1.4x attached (392mm). It's a fun way to get detail and a wider field of view.



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Abuttolph wrote:
I returned home a week ago from a month in Kenya and Tanzania and it was an exceptional experience. Before launching into the trip report, I want to thank those FM members who so generously offered advice and guidance for this trip. The information was invaluable and helped to make the trip as successful as possible.

Upon arriving in Nairobi, I spent three days at Ololo Lodge in Nairobi National Park. This time was mainly to get over the worst of the jet lag coming from the western US, but also to get into safari shooting mode. The decision to spend
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Looks like you had an awesome time, thanks for the report. Look forward to seeing some photos as well. PMd you separately about the Ripoi Conservancy, it sounds really promising.

I think the hardest thing for us to experience well is a river crossing. With the climate changing so much, it is such a hit and miss, even more than it used to be. And the crowds are ever increasing. The one and only crossing I've seen was on my very first visit to Africa, in 2007. In all my trips since, despite being there in season, there was no crossing. Luck of course is a big factor. On that first trip, our team leader who had been to Africa 16 times already, was just as excited because it was the best event he had seen. Thousands upon thousands of animals were crossing in front of us, I even managed to photograph a crocodile catching a wildbeest in its jaws! And the best part of it - there were no more than 3-4 cars - at the crossing near Mara Serena!

I would certainly love to see it again but not sure where to go.




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Amazing images. Thank you for the suggestion. That's really helpful. One less lens to carry is always good for my back 😁

VKM2F wrote:
Unless you're planning on doing landscapes or have a specific image in mind that necessitates it, I don't think you'll miss the UWA. Something fun to try that I think is more useful on safari is multiple images that you stitch together to get a wider field of view. Often the wildlife isn't close enough to frame nicely with a wide angle but you want to capture more of the environment than you can with your telephoto. Flip the camera to portrait and take a few shots with a bit of overlap. Stitching it together is super simple with Lightroom
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