p.30 #1 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
As per usual very nice Osprey images with some exceptional scene throw in for good measure. His Z9 verdict seems business as usual by now: overall pretty good AF with some faults.
p.30 #2 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
Maxxus46 wrote:
Never seen data corruption limited to specific rows written to a memory card. Are you saying this data corruption is casued by his Sony memory cards? Well if you read into the camera owners history he has more than one card and sees the same issue (highly unlikely he has two bad cards, much more likely he has a Camera with either a firmware bug or failing hardware). I think Loyd is correct In that this is a firmware bug... Something to do with the readout of the sensor to memory before being written off the the card ? Maybe. But you can't say anything bad about the Z9 on this forum or you may be attacked by rabid nikonians who can't admit their camera has problems like any other vendor ...Show more →
Did somebody attack you? I did not see any attack above?
p.30 #3 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
From Marks Smith video one this is clear. Whichever system he chooses as his main one, it will come down to preferences. He was able to produce both stills and videos at his typical high level with the Z9.
We should all also consider the choice as a preference thing at this point.
p.30 #4 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
1bwana1 wrote:
From Marks Smith video one this is clear. Whichever system he chooses as his main one, it will come down to preferences. He was able to produce both stills and videos at his typical high level with the Z9.
We should all also consider the choice as a preference thing at this point.
That's your opinion, not Marks. And yes, his video is fantastic, but so are those he shot with the A7R4. Doesn't mean the A7R4 is as capable as the Z9 for this stuff. You don't get to see all the stuff that isn't sharp. Mark does.
p.30 #5 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
Daran wrote:
That's your opinion, not Marks. And yes, his video is fantastic, but so are those he shot with the A7R4. Doesn't mean the A7R4 is as capable as the Z9 for this stuff. You don't get to see all the stuff that isn't sharp. Mark does.
I am fully aware that he has found things that he didn't like in the Z9. He has not reveled what those are yet. But he has made reference to low light situations. My point was that he was able to make fantastic content with the Z9. Whether it is as efficient as his prefered system is another discussion.
My preference reference was not aimed at Marks opinion exclusively. It was a generalization. There will be many that have a preference for the Z9 for a variety of reasons. The delta between Nikon and other systems is much closer now that it previously was. That is a good thing.
My statement was definitely a glass is half full kind of thing I admit.
p.30 #6 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
I think that’s what we are hearing from people about the different systems out there from Canon, Nikon and Sony. They all perform at a very high level, each having a few quirks, although no major faults. Will be inte free sting as traveling to Botswana next month with a friend who is. Sony Ambassador, he shoots alpine skiing, rugby for work, safari for fun. He shoots with an A1 and I will be with a Z9. So I’m sure we will be able to share our daily experiences. But honestly I doubt it will come down to the equipment, more to the shooter as he has alot more experience shooting action that I do, and for safari while this will be my sixth, he’s done about 20 now
1bwana1 wrote:
From Marks Smith video one this is clear. Whichever system he chooses as his main one, it will come down to preferences. He was able to produce both stills and videos at his typical high level with the Z9.
We should all also consider the choice as a preference thing at this point.
p.30 #7 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
mholdef wrote:
I think that’s what we are hearing from people about the different systems out there from Canon, Nikon and Sony. They all perform at a very high level, each having a few quirks, although no major faults. Will be inte free sting as traveling to Botswana next month with a friend who is. Sony Ambassador, he shoots alpine skiing, rugby for work, safari for fun. He shoots with an A1 and I will be with a Z9. So I’m sure we will be able to share our daily experiences. But honestly I doubt it will come down to the equipment, more to the shooter as he has alot more experience shooting action that I do, and for safari while this will be my sixth, he’s done about 20 now
p.30 #8 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
shadow9d9 wrote:
30fps jpeg is a major fault. 20 raw vs 30 raw is a massive difference.
Maybe on paper. Not so sure about what that means in missing shots. Also need to factor how long the A1 can shoot at 30 fps, the Z9 is pretty unlimited whne using a fast card.
p.30 #9 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
mholdef wrote:
Maybe on paper. Not so sure about what that means in missing shots. Also need to factor how long the A1 can shoot at 30 fps, the Z9 is pretty unlimited whne using a fast card.
I mean, 50% more is not just a paper number. The frames matter, mostly in short bursts as the action happens. I don't buy $5k+ cameras to use jpegs so the 30 number is just there for show.
Not to mention the extremely large size and weight of the z9, also massive flaws.
p.30 #10 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
Things you are pointing to are mainly preferences. Is a bit like two high performing cars, there are going to be certain situations where someone prefers one vs another. Sure 30 fps is 50% more, but does that mean you are really going to get a better shot vs 20 fps ? Also the body size may be a flaw for some, not for others.
shadow9d9 wrote:
I mean, 50% more is not just a paper number. The frames matter, mostly in short bursts as the action happens. I don't buy $5k+ cameras to use jpegs so the 30 number is just there for show.
Not to mention the extremely large size and weight of the z9, also massive flaws.
p.30 #11 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
Daran wrote:
As per usual very nice Osprey images with some exceptional scene throw in for good measure. His Z9 verdict seems business as usual by now: overall pretty good AF with some faults.
Wish Sony had a 500/5.6 DO/PF lens.
Better yet 500/4 DO/PF GM with built-in 1.4TC and 4 linear motors. Take my money!
p.30 #13 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
mholdef wrote:
Things you are pointing to are mainly preferences. Is a bit like two high performing cars, there are going to be certain situations where someone prefers one vs another. Sure 30 fps is 50% more, but does that mean you are really going to get a better shot vs 20 fps ? Also the body size may be a flaw for some, not for others.
I can remember the endless debates of 14 vs. 12 vs. 10 fps quite well, esp. wrt sports shooting or wing position (BIF). So 20 vs. 30 fps IS quite a big difference.
p.30 #14 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
Hummingbirds beat their wings at 80 Hz, so surely everyone now needs 120 fps (at least) to get some options for wing position. (I don't think so, but the argument can be made on the same grounds as 30 vs. 20 fps. In any case you get a lot of shots in a very short time, and you may not necessarily need more than one that is just right.)
I typically shoot single shots, or if continuous, 7-9 fps as I find higher rates lead to too many shots which are painstaking to delete (because I need to look at subject's emotion in each shot as well as composition, so a zoomed-in look is typically needed for whole-body images of people). People don't just move much in 100 ms, higher rates are rarely giving anything new. But for birds in flight I can see the appeal, as the action is often brief and intense. But once you've nailed it what else is there to do? Do the same thing over and over again, with thousands or eventually millions of shots not much different from one another in the hard drive?
p.30 #15 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
That sounds fair. So suppose just need to wait for the firmware to go to 30 fps
Holger wrote:
I can remember the endless debates of 14 vs. 12 vs. 10 fps quite well, esp. wrt sports shooting or wing position (BIF). So 20 vs. 30 fps IS quite a big difference.
Feb 23, 2022 at 06:09 AM
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p.30 #16 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
ilkka_nissila wrote:
Hummingbirds beat their wings at 80 Hz, so surely everyone now needs 120 fps (at least) to get some options for wing position. (I don't think so, but the argument can be made on the same grounds as 30 vs. 20 fps. In any case you get a lot of shots in a very short time, and you may not necessarily need more than one that is just right.)
I typically shoot single shots, or if continuous, 7-9 fps as I find higher rates lead to too many shots which are painstaking to delete (because I need to look at subject's emotion in each shot as well as composition, so a zoomed-in look is typically needed for whole-body images of people). People don't just move much in 100 ms, higher rates are rarely giving anything new. But for birds in flight I can see the appeal, as the action is often brief and intense. But once you've nailed it what else is there to do? Do the same thing over and over again, with thousands or eventually millions of shots not much different from one another in the hard drive? ...Show more →
30 fps only gets you halfway there - you also need super fast subject detection and tracking.
And for what I do I can guarantee you I will never be able to get the same shot twice.
It took 16,000 images at 30fps to capture these, the conditions have not been suitable for doing this again since then. Will the same conditions come around again, perhaps. Will actually I be there when they do ? Probably not.
These took another 12,000 images at 30fps last week and today the swallows have disappeared so I may not get another opportunity with similar conditions for weeks, months, years - well who knows how long.
Or watch a fly evade a bird - like only a fly can evade death required 240fps - you cannot imagine how challenging it is to find a fly and a bird that is about to try and eat it. I wouldn't even bother looking without 240fps video(converted to gif).
What else is there to do you ask ? Well maybe a bug shot with the 100-400GM at a distance of 3 meters - so I can see the hair on the bugs back or veins in it’s wings.
Here is a dragonfly eating breakfast - so a dragonfly catching breakfast perhaps?
p.30 #17 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
z9 30fps jpegs are heavily compressed, they are not the highest jpeg quality that the camera is capable of shooting.
that's not a preference, it's a fact, and i don't know why anyone would prefer it over the full-quality jpegs that the a1 delivers; the file size differences are not that significant, and if you want lower p.q. jpegs with smaller file size on the a1 you can select that in the menu.
afaik the z9 doesn't have heif support either? but the a1 does, including heif at 30fps... so it's hard to take z9 30fps seriously, it's just too limited.
mholdef wrote:
Things you are pointing to are mainly preferences. Is a bit like two high performing cars, there are going to be certain situations where someone prefers one vs another. Sure 30 fps is 50% more, but does that mean you are really going to get a better shot vs 20 fps ? Also the body size may be a flaw for some, not for others.
p.30 #18 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
Can point to a direct comparison of this ?
osv2 wrote:
z9 30fps jpegs are heavily compressed, they are not the highest jpeg quality that the camera is capable of shooting.
that's not a preference, it's a fact, and i don't know why anyone would prefer it over the full-quality jpegs that the a1 delivers; the file size differences are not that significant, and if you want lower p.q. jpegs with smaller file size on the a1 you can select that in the menu.
afaik the z9 doesn't have heif support either? but the a1 does, including heif at 30fps... so it's hard to take z9 30fps seriously, it's just too limited.
Feb 23, 2022 at 02:09 PM
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p.30 #19 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 – The 10 main differences"
what's to compare? looks to me like z9 doesn't have raw at 30fps, it doesn't have heif at 30fps, and the 30fps jpegs are 1:8 compression?
