p.15 #2 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
As an X Nikon shooter the Z9 still proves to me Nikon still doesn't get it. The market for a camera this size is so small it seems ridiculous to invest the time and money (especially when your hurting for both). This body to me just seems like a last ditch effort to provide an option for existing Nikon DSLR shooters . I don't see the Z9 being competition for the A1 at all. Furthermore I'm guessing the A9iii (which I'm now convinced will come based on specs of the A7iv) will even beat out the Z9 in most categories except maybe size.
p.15 #3 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
saaketham wrote:
It is good to have different options
People with bigger hands will love the z9
People with smaller hands will love the a1
Everyone happy 👍🏼
I have bigger hands, but I love the A1 for it's compactness and portability. You can choose to make it big or leave it small.
p.15 #4 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
Jesse Evans wrote:
There are also probably different import duties on Japanese, Thai, and Chinese goods in Australia and Canada that have an impact on the price of these things based on country of origin.
There are no duties on camera gear in Canada, regardless of the country of origin (although B&H likes to charge fictional duties from time to time...)
p.15 #5 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
saaketham wrote:
It is good to have different options
People with bigger hands will love the z9
People with smaller hands will love the a1
Everyone happy 👍🏼
This is a common misconception. My friend is 6'3 and uses a d850 and grip. I compared my hands with him, being 6 foot myself. They were nearly the same. This isn't a hand size issue. It is reluctance to adapt to change.
I use xl sized gloves and had no issue using the a7riv and a7rii while in Iceland in winter.
p.15 #6 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
"Reluctance to adapt to change" and shooting with what a person is comfortable with are two very completely different things. I don't hold a camera with my feet. If the camera isn't comfortable in my hands then what's the purpose of me holding it? shadow9d9 wrote:
This is a common misconception. My friend is 6'3 and uses a d850 and grip. I compared my hands with him, being 6 foot myself. They were nearly the same. This isn't a hand size issue. It is reluctance to adapt to change.
I use xl sized gloves and had no issue using the a7riv and a7rii while in Iceland in winter.
p.15 #7 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
JadedWriter wrote:
"Reluctance to adapt to change" and shooting with what a person is comfortable with are two very completely different things. I don't hold a camera with my feet. If the camera isn't comfortable in my hands then what's the purpose of me holding it?
Tools change shape. Is the first tool we get comfortable with the only tool we can ever become comfortable with?
I expect a lot of it really has to do with top tech previously being locked into integrated gripped cameras. Some people still want that same feeling that they are used to. Perhaps that is what you are saying?
p.15 #8 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
If I liked how my pinky and other finger hung off the bottom of the camera and if I liked how unbalanced certain lenses felt on a gripless camera I wouldn't have a vertical grip on basically all of my cameras. If I liked how uncomfortable a camera felt to me when I held it vertically to take a picture I wouldn't have a grip. You don't like one fine, there are others that do. Being used to and something just being straight uncomfortable are not the same. If I'm going to shoot a stressful event for hours I better be at least comfortable when I'm holding the camera all day. shadow9d9 wrote:
Tools change shape. Is the first tool we get comfortable with the only tool we can ever become comfortable with?
I expect a lot of it really has to do with top tech previously being locked into integrated gripped cameras. Some people still want that same feeling that they are used to. Perhaps that is what you are saying?
p.15 #9 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
saaketham wrote:
It is good to have different options
People with bigger hands will love the z9
People with smaller hands will love the a1
Everyone happy 👍🏼
It is not about hand size. I am just over 6'4" tall, have size 15 feet, and hands to match. XXL glove size. It is about wanting to have a small lite camera kit.
No way would I ever choose an integrated grip camera when there are smaller equal or better performance options available.
That being said, I am sure there are good number of people of all different sizes that prefer a gripped body just as strongly.
p.15 #10 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
Agreed. The A1 also has the option to add grip for folks with larger hands. Like I mentioned before, I still don't understand how Sony built this performance monster (a1) in such a small form factor, with no overheating and the fastest specs, while Canon and Nikon are still behind after many months. However, some folks love the form factor of the Dx Nikon series. I personally find it beautiful.
Will that make me love the a1 any less? No.
But that there are 7 billion + folks out there ... a lot of variety. A good number of folks might love larger, chunkier bodies. Some of us love small 2 door sports-cars, while others prefer big pickups. Both can get you from A to B. Just because some of you/us prefer smaller bodies, does not mean the entire world does. Variety is the spice of life, after all.
p.15 #11 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
nhsonyshooter wrote:
As an X Nikon shooter the Z9 still proves to me Nikon still doesn't get it. The market for a camera this size is so small it seems ridiculous to invest the time and money (especially when your hurting for both). This body to me just seems like a last ditch effort to provide an option for existing Nikon DSLR shooters . I don't see the Z9 being competition for the A1 at all. Furthermore I'm guessing the A9iii (which I'm now convinced will come based on specs of the A7iv) will even beat out the Z9 in most categories except maybe size. ...Show more →
Not so sure. There are definitely lots of people who want the option to stay small or go big with a grip. But judging from the noise around the amount of pre-orders for the Z9, you can say there are many people out there who prefer to have the integrated grip. I know me personally I've always had the grip attached to my camera, but it doesn't feel as well in your hands as the integrated one.
p.15 #12 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
These days 90% of my shooting is with 600GM handheld. My hand can not spread out enough on an un-gripped Sony body and be comfortable doing that. Also spreading my fingers down the grip gets rid of the other issue with Sony cameras which is the narrow gap between grip and lens. That said, there are some times when I'm using smaller lenses and out with family or walking around a city when travelling where I do like to have the option to remove the grip as I can be comfortable without it if I'm shooting my 24-70 or 16-35. Even my 100-400 can be okay. I've used grips on all my DSLRs but at least with DSLRs they were large enough to use without grip even with a big lens...not so much for me with Sony. And I'm 6'3" and size M gloves so my hands are not large in any way.
But I still want a grip 99% of the time and the integrated grip cameras have always been more sleek and comfortable than tacked on external grips. The look of the R3 and the Z9 (of course I've yet to actually hold either of them) is my preferred type of body. But I would sort of miss the ability to remove the grip in those few times I like to do it with my Sony.
p.15 #13 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
I think it remains to be seen how many will truly like handling the Z9 over a longer period. There is now the elation about the Z9 specs and rumored performance, and that may make Nikon shooters inclined to accept the size and weight as deal of the package.
It's true that a mirrorless body is a bit small on a long telelens, I used the Nikon Z7 and bought a small Meike grip that avoided my pinky floating in nomansland. But the Z9 is the other extreme, and more than the size alone, it is the combination of obligatory size αnd hefty weight that would take all the joy out of shooting for me. I thιn would rather use an un-gripped Sony A1.
The weight support with 500/600mm lenses is done by the left hand anyway, that holds the tripod mount, so the balance argument often used is moot for me.
p.15 #14 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
mholdef wrote:
Not so sure. There are definitely lots of people who want the option to stay small or go big with a grip. But judging from the noise around the amount of pre-orders for the Z9, you can say there are many people out there who prefer to have the integrated grip. I know me personally I've always had the grip attached to my camera, but it doesn't feel as well in your hands as the integrated one.
Like I said, it's a niche market. Which you apparently are part of. Nothing wrong with that. The only proof I need that most people want smaller is look at what Sony, Nikon, and Canon released first in mirrorless. The smaller body's, not these large bricks. The company's themselves are telling us what they even think is the better selling body style. Again different strokes. But from a business stand point I think Nikon would have much higher sales if they produced the same camera in the smaller body to compete directly with the A1. Z9 is not competition for the A1. Z9 just based on the size is eliminating alot of people because it simply is not as versatile as a smaller body. As far as "noise" goes, there was alot of "noise" for the ZX1 as well
p.15 #15 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
Exactly, it's perfectly fine to like what you like, but don't come at me trying to insult me over my camera design choices. That kind of behavior is just disrespectful (this isn't aimed at you since I'm agreeing with you). Some of the comments in this thread make about as much sense as acting superior because you like a specific pizza topping to me. saaketham wrote:
Agreed. The A1 also has the option to add grip for folks with larger hands. Like I mentioned before, I still don't understand how Sony built this performance monster (a1) in such a small form factor, with no overheating and the fastest specs, while Canon and Nikon are still behind after many months. However, some folks love the form factor of the Dx Nikon series. I personally find it beautiful.
Will that make me love the a1 any less? No.
But that there are 7 billion + folks out there ... a lot of variety. A good number of folks might love larger, chunkier bodies. Some of us love small 2 door sports-cars, while others prefer big pickups. Both can get you from A to B. Just because some of you/us prefer smaller bodies, does not mean the entire world does. Variety is the spice of life, after all. ...Show more →
p.15 #16 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
JadedWriter wrote:
Exactly, it's perfectly fine to like what you like, but don't come at me trying to insult me over my camera design choices. That kind of behavior is just disrespectful (this isn't aimed at you since I'm agreeing with you). Some of the comments in this thread make about as much sense as acting superior because you like a specific pizza topping to me.
I can sense in your passive agressive tone you're specifically targetting pineapple with your comment ...
On-topic, I'm surprised that I actually enjoy the gripped A1 so much, but on the other hand I'd miss the option to remove it . So, I guess I'd like an integrated one on a second(ary) body or something like that...
p.15 #17 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
I actually have no problem with people that like pineapple on pizza. I've never had it and never wanted to waste money experimenting on it, but if someone made it for me I'd probably eat it. I don't care what a person likes as long as it makes them happy. I basically just used the pizza comment thing to give an example with how dumb I'm finding the conversation to be. j4nu wrote:
I can sense in your passive agressive tone you're specifically targetting pineapple with your comment ...
On-topic, I'm surprised that I actually enjoy the gripped A1 so much, but on the other hand I'd miss the option to remove it . So, I guess I'd like an integrated one on a second(ary) body or something like that...
p.15 #18 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
JadedWriter wrote:
I actually have no problem with people that like pineapple on pizza. I've never had it and never wanted to waste money experimenting on it, but if someone made it for me I'd probably eat it. I don't care what a person likes as long as it makes them happy. I basically just used the pizza comment thing to give an example with how dumb I'm finding the conversation to be.
Ok, my comment was meant as a joke, as I also think the discussion about superiority of one's personal preferences is rather pointless...
p.15 #19 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
j4nu wrote:
I can sense in your passive agressive tone you're specifically targetting pineapple with your comment ...
On-topic, I'm surprised that I actually enjoy the gripped A1 so much, but on the other hand I'd miss the option to remove it . So, I guess I'd like an integrated one on a second(ary) body or something like that...
I'd prefer my secondary body to have the removable grip. If I had an integrated grip A1 in an R3 size body (and weight) and then a 2nd camera like what the A1 is now that would be perfect.
The only downside with Z9 is it seems overly heavy for what it is. Canon did a much better job with the R3 as far as weight goes. Much better button options as well. R3/A1: three back buttons along the top to customize. Z9: One. R3/A1: 3 wheels so you an have one each for SS, aperture and ISO (or one for EC if you are an M+AutoISO guy). Z9: Two wheels and an awkward ISO or EC button to push and then scroll....no way to make that ISO button be a less used variable (for me I'd make that aperture if I could and have the two direct wheels be SS and ISO).
And don't forget Nikon doesn't even have matching front vertical buttons when you shoot it in portrait mode? Who approved that design??
p.15 #20 · "Nikon Z9 vs Sony A1 The 10 main differences"
arbitrage wrote:
I'd prefer my secondary body to have the removable grip. If I had an integrated grip A1 in an R3 size body (and weight) and then a 2nd camera like what the A1 is now that would be perfect.
The only downside with Z9 is it seems overly heavy for what it is. Canon did a much better job with the R3 as far as weight goes. Much better button options as well. R3/A1: three back buttons along the top to customize. Z9: One. R3/A1: 3 wheels so you an have one each for SS, aperture and ISO (or one for EC if you are an M+AutoISO guy). Z9: Two wheels and an awkward ISO or EC button to push and then scroll....no way to make that ISO button be a less used variable (for me I'd make that aperture if I could and have the two direct wheels be SS and ISO).
And don't forget Nikon doesn't even have matching front vertical buttons when you shoot it in portrait mode? Who approved that design??...Show more →
Probably the same person who approved DMF. Bloody moonlighters!
. So, I guess I'd like an integrated one on a second(ary) body or something like that...