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vdo1
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p.1 #1 · Which Voigtlander lens has the best rendering?


Assuming that I would like to get a Voigtlander lens and renders is the first and foremost criteria, which one should I buy?


Oct 18, 2021 at 07:53 PM
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p.1 #2 · Which Voigtlander lens has the best rendering?


Define 'Best rendering' - My opinion is meaningless to you unless we agree on what Best Rendering means (and we probably don't)

The recent APO's are by far the most transparent, but in terms of rendering I always liked the 58/1.4 SLII the best of all the Voigtlander lenses I've seen over the years. It's a nice balance of character and technical performance.



Oct 18, 2021 at 08:24 PM
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p.1 #3 · Which Voigtlander lens has the best rendering?


vdo1 wrote:
Assuming that I would like to get a Voigtlander lens and renders is the first and foremost criteria, which one should I buy?


You have to sort them by "class".

My understanding is that (generally speaking) both the 50 Nokton and the 50 APO are the best in their respective classes.

I only have the 50 APO.




Oct 18, 2021 at 08:44 PM
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p.1 #4 · Which Voigtlander lens has the best rendering?



Of the one's I have, I'd probably say the CV 50/2 APO. But when you say rendering, I think you probably mean the something more like the 50/1.2 or 40/1.2. Ones I've never tried though.



Oct 18, 2021 at 08:45 PM
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p.1 #5 · Which Voigtlander lens has the best rendering?


That's a tough one because the skopar, ultron, nokton and heliars all render differently. I've had at least one of each. I for one like the ultron line of lenses from my experience for their more modern rendering. Second would be the skopars. That's just me though, completely subjective. I also like the 40mm 1.4 classic for it's wacky OOF rendering.

Still, I'd vote for the ultrons. Or- you know- just collect them all.



Oct 18, 2021 at 08:58 PM
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p.1 #6 · Which Voigtlander lens has the best rendering?


The APOs have the clinically best optics if that is what you are after.

For me I look for personality in my CV lenses. My favorite in a native e-mount is the by far the CV 40 f/1.2. It has multiple personalities ranging from brilliantly sharp, to soft and dreamy.

If that is of interest to you then I don't think you can go wrong starting your CV collection with that lens.



Oct 18, 2021 at 09:14 PM
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p.1 #7 · Which Voigtlander lens has the best rendering?


I love the rendering of the 75mm 1.5.


Oct 18, 2021 at 09:20 PM
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p.1 #8 · Which Voigtlander lens has the best rendering?


The new 50mm Heliar has a very unique rendering if that's what you're after.


Oct 18, 2021 at 09:22 PM
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p.1 #9 · Which Voigtlander lens has the best rendering?


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I love the rendering of the 75mm 1.5.


Me too, this may be my next CV. But it has to be adapted and I don't think there is any way to get electronic communications. Otherwise it would already be on my shelf. I love its rendering and FL.

I may have to compromise.




Oct 18, 2021 at 09:22 PM
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p.1 #10 · Which Voigtlander lens has the best rendering?


Whew! I have a lot of CV lenses to include the 58mm. I’ll lookout for the rendering and compared it to the 50mm APO and the 40mm Ultron.


Oct 19, 2021 at 12:58 AM
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p.1 #11 · Which Voigtlander lens has the best rendering?


Duh! I thought you'd know by now: 35mm f1.4 Classic .


Oct 19, 2021 at 02:35 AM
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p.1 #12 · Which Voigtlander lens has the best rendering?


I personally like the rendering of 21/1.4 Nokton, and the 35/1.2, 40/1.2, 50/1.2 trio quite a bit especially for bokeh / out of focus backgrounds.

I also like the different classic type wild rendering of 35/1.4 classic and the new 50/1.5 Heliar classic VM.

The background bokeh rendering of the APO-Lanthar lenses, especially 65/2 and 35/2 can sometimes be too structured for my taste.

Of course it depends a lot on personal taste and what kind of characteristics are expected/desired.



Oct 19, 2021 at 02:48 AM
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p.1 #13 · Which Voigtlander lens has the best rendering?


Personally I love the now rather neglected 125 2.5 APO Lanthar ... but as many have pointed out it all depends on what you mean by a definition and your own personal taste.


Oct 19, 2021 at 06:55 AM
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p.1 #14 · Which Voigtlander lens has the best rendering?


mawz wrote:
Define 'Best rendering' - My opinion is meaningless to you unless we agree on what Best Rendering means (and we probably don't)


Very good point. I have read countless reviews over the years and the word rendering is a mess. In fact the classification of lens characteristics is crazy. People throw around adjectives but really have a unique personal opinion of what they mean...

Here are two common definitions used online:

- background, out of focus area, not bokeh
- the way the lens draws the entire scene

What best means is another topic in itself - that is definitely a personal thing....

Also lenses render differently depending on the light and the conditions....

I think the only real advice is too look at sample pictures and buy & try!






Oct 19, 2021 at 07:09 AM
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p.1 #15 · Which Voigtlander lens has the best rendering?


I very much like the 40/1.2E. It is a very versatile lens, as 1bwana1 stated above.

I also like the other CV lens I own: 15/4.5E.

I would be interested in 75/1.5 if it ever comes in modern E-mount body with electronics/exif.



Oct 19, 2021 at 09:40 AM
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p.1 #16 · Which Voigtlander lens has the best rendering?


Gunzorro wrote:
I would be interested in 75/1.5 if it ever comes in modern E-mount body with electronics/exif.


I want that one bad.....



Oct 19, 2021 at 09:58 AM
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p.1 #17 · Which Voigtlander lens has the best rendering?


tri_fin wrote:
Very good point. I have read countless reviews over the years and the word rendering is a mess. In fact the classification of lens characteristics is crazy. People throw around adjectives but really have a unique personal opinion of what they mean...

Here are two common definitions used online:

- background, out of focus area, not bokeh
- the way the lens draws the entire scene

What best means is another topic in itself - that is definitely a personal thing....

Also lenses render differently depending on the light and the conditions....

I think the only real advice is too look at sample pictures
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Rendering - noun

"Rendering" is (or should be) understood to mean the entirety of a lens's effect on the image.

a.k.a. "draw"

"That lens has a beautiful rendering".

It can also be accurately used when referring to a component of the draw. "the bokeh rendering is harsh"

Render(s) - verb

"That lens renders beautifully."

The qualitative assessment of rendering is (clearly) highly subjective.








Oct 19, 2021 at 10:02 AM
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p.1 #18 · Which Voigtlander lens has the best rendering?


I found a good deal on a CV 75 f/1.5 today. I broke down and bought it, and a metabones M to E adapter to go with it. It should be here Friday. But this is my 50th High School reunion weekend so won't get a chance to play with it until Sunday.

I am OK with not having EXIF data in my files. But I really want all my focusing aids, and IBIS working. I have to figure out how to make this happen without any electronics from the lens like I get with my other CV native e-mounts lenses.

I am shooting with my a1.

IBIS seems to be no problem I just set that in Shooting -> ImageStabilization -> FocalLength to 75mm.
This doesn't seem to change the way any of my lenses with electronic communications works. All
good.

Focus Peaking also works just fine in the same way it always has in my setup. All good.

Zoom so far is a challenge. With my other lenses I have it set up so that when I start to move the focus ring the view zooms in automatically. It stays for 5 seconds, or until I touch another control. Perfect.

However, with an adapted lens this doesn't work. On my a7RIII I just set my Control Wheel Center Button to zoom in when I click it. I would be fine with that on the a1 too. However, on the a1 I can't get this to work. I have to set another button to activate Focus Magnifier first. Then the Control Wheel Center Button works as before. This requires two button clicks, and costs me a programable button on the camera. Too awkward and inefficient. No Bueno!

Does anyone know how to get the Control Wheel Center Button to act as a Zoom Button like it did on the a7RIII? Surprisingly it doesn't seem to be able to be programed at all in Custom Key Settings.

Thanks!

By the Way for anyone interested, Camera Quest has a very nice used CV 75 f/1.5, and and CV adapter on sale for good prices. I went with a new one and a Metabones adapter I found a deal on out of State that cost me only $49.00 more after taxes and shipping.



Oct 19, 2021 at 07:47 PM
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p.1 #19 · Which Voigtlander lens has the best rendering?


1bwana1 wrote:
I found a good deal on a CV 75 f/1.5 today. I broke down and bought it, and a metabones M to E adapter to go with it. It should be here Friday. But this is my 50th High School reunion weekend so won't get a chance to play with it until Sunday.

I am OK with not having EXIF data in my files. But I really want all my focusing aids, and IBIS working. I have to figure out how to make this happen without any electronics from the lens like I get with my other CV native e-mounts lenses.

I
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I see it there in "Rear2" customization menu and "Focus Magnifier" can be assigned to it ...
Edit: Ahh, I think I see what you mean. Well, I always used one button as "Focus Magnifier" and set the intial zoom level to pre-zoomed already so it's 1 button press for x4.2 and another one for even more magnification.
Not sure which button assignment you used before...



Oct 20, 2021 at 01:47 AM
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p.1 #20 · Which Voigtlander lens has the best rendering?


I've only had the 40/1.2 and only had it because it looked so nice.

I mostly use the Sigma 1.2/35 instead for its AF but if you want MF, the CV40/1.2 is small and has the same great silky smooth rendering.



Oct 20, 2021 at 06:14 AM
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