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p.1 #1 · R5- rear screen for review ONLY, viewfinder to shoot?


Recently purchased an R5 as an upgrade to my 5DMK4. Had my first shoot with it tonight, shooting live music. Have the viewfinder set to auto switching, so it turns the EVF on when I put my eye to it, and uses the rear screen otherwise..

Which EATS UP battery life! (And makes the camera get hot after only an hour of use).

I'm trying to figure out how to change this. I want the camera to behave like my 5DMK4- the rear screen only turns on when I'm reviewing an image- otherwise everything is through the viewfinder.

Is there a way to do this? I don't want the rear screen on all the time- I only want to use it once I hit PLAY to review an image.

Is there a way to set the R5 to always use the viewfinder, but when reviewing an image, it uses the rear screen? So basically EVF to shoot, rear screen to review. Any help would be most appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

-nakleh
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Sep 18, 2021 at 11:20 PM
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p.1 #2 · R5- rear screen for review ONLY, viewfinder to shoot?


I've had the exact same problem, also when photographing live music and other situations where the rear screen cannot be illuminated without bothering the audience. There really isn't a quick way to make the camera behave like... well, like all the dSLR's that came before. Why Canon makes this so difficult baffles me.
First, you must take the viewfinder off autoswitching. Go to page 3 in the yellow "wrench"menu, screen/viewfinder display. Set it to "screen."
Then, map a button to switch between viewfinder and screen. I use the depth of field button.
While photographing, you'll be using the viewfinder.
To review photos, press the button you've mapped (in my case, the DOF button.)
That turns off the viewfinder, and turns on the rear screen. Then you have to press yet another button (whatever you have set up as "review.")
And then... when you want to go back to photographing, you have to press the toggle switch yet again (in my case, the DOF button) to reactivate the viewfinder and shut off the rear screen.
Set up an item in "My Menu" for screen/viewfinder display, so if you suddenly find yourself in a situation where you want the viewfinder and screen to autoswitch, you can make that parameter change without rummaging through the larger setup menu.

This is a pain in the butt. Canon, why must the rear screen be on, for anything other than review? The capability is there to switch it off entirely. And, even when the rear screen is live, pressing "menu" kills the live view, and brings up the menus. So THAT capability is already there. Everything we want (make the rear screen act the same way it did on the 5D series, the 20D, 30D, etc): use viewfinder for working, have review pop up on the rear screen with ONE button press. A light tap on the shutter button and review shuts off, rear screen goes dark again. Easy to do a quick review of some photos without requiring a multitude of button presses. Anyone working in dark environments, or where minimal disturbance is required, needs that rear screen OFF, except for the occasions (photo review, or using the flip screen overhead to compose, for example.) As far as I can tell, everything necessary to permit the camera to be set up this way is already present in the hardware. It's just not offered in a convenient button setup, when for many photographers it would be the default arrangement.

If anyone has another workaround, one that requires fewer button presses, and less mapping of buttons, please share!

In the meantime, we can only hope Canon implements something that mimics the review functionality of the the dSLRs, and permits users to otherwise turn off live view on the rear screen. Seems like it could be done in a firmware update.



Sep 19, 2021 at 04:25 AM
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First menu set (red items) -> submenu 7 -> last item (Shooting info. disp.) -> Screen info. settings and make sure you select nr 6 as option (screen off).

When you go out of the menu, use 'info' to select this (you cycle thru the selected options you ticked at Screen info. settings). And voila, the rear screen is black, except for reviewing images. A tap on the shutter button makes the display go black again.

This was, indeed, implemented with a firmware update earlier this year.

You're welcome.



Sep 19, 2021 at 06:09 AM
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evertdoorn wrote:
First menu set (red items) -> submenu 7 -> last item (Shooting info. disp.) -> Screen info. settings and make sure you select nr 6 as option (screen off).

When you go out of the menu, use 'info' to select this (you cycle thru the selected options you ticked at Screen info. settings). And voila, the rear screen is black, except for reviewing images. A tap on the shutter button makes the display go black again.

This was, indeed, implemented with a firmware update earlier this year.

You're welcome.


Am I missing something or this is not possible on R6? I only have 5 options in Screen info. settings. I just updated to Firmware 1.4.0.



Sep 19, 2021 at 09:06 AM
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p.1 #5 · R5- rear screen for review ONLY, viewfinder to shoot?


This does not address what you asked. I leave my rear screen closed 99% of the time. I review shots in viewfinder when I want to review. I can see it more clearly with my old eyes. If I want to use the rear screen to review, I just open it and review, then close it. Works good for me.


Sep 19, 2021 at 09:10 AM
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Milan Hutera wrote:
Am I missing something or this is not possible on R6? I only have 5 options in Screen info. settings. I just updated to Firmware 1.4.0.


not sure, this is on the R5



Sep 19, 2021 at 09:34 AM
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dj63401 wrote:
This does not address what you asked. I leave my rear screen closed 99% of the time. I review shots in viewfinder when I want to review. I can see it more clearly with my old eyes. If I want to use the rear screen to review, I just open it and review, then close it. Works good for me.


Ditto, and I prefer reviewing images in the VF, not on the rear screen.



Sep 19, 2021 at 09:45 AM
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evertdoorn wrote:
First menu set (red items) -> submenu 7 -> last item (Shooting info. disp.) -> Screen info. settings and make sure you select nr 6 as option (screen off).

When you go out of the menu, use 'info' to select this (you cycle thru the selected options you ticked at Screen info. settings). And voila, the rear screen is black, except for reviewing images. A tap on the shutter button makes the display go black again.

This was, indeed, implemented with a firmware update earlier this year.

You're welcome.


THANK YOU!! If there wasn't a fix for this, I would have been super pissed. Appreciate your help!

-nakleh
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Sep 19, 2021 at 11:57 AM
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Jim Levitt wrote:
I've had the exact same problem, also when photographing live music and other situations where the rear screen cannot be illuminated without bothering the audience. There really isn't a quick way to make the camera behave like... well, like all the dSLR's that came before.


Thanks for the info, Jim. But it seems evertdoorn has solved the case in the post above!

-nakleh
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Sep 19, 2021 at 11:59 AM
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BTW the "workaround" I used last night was to keep the camera pressed against my chest or hip to activate the EVF while I wasn't actively shooting.

-nakleh
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Sep 19, 2021 at 12:19 PM
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evertdoorn wrote:
not sure, this is on the R5


I know the question was about R5, but for all intents and purposes, the menus and functions should be about the same between the cameras. It is crazy that a) Canon doesn't provide the option to properly switch the backscreen off - even though its less powerhungry than viewfinder and b) when they do provide the function that at least resembles the sensible approach, they only release it for R5 but not for R6...



Sep 19, 2021 at 12:37 PM
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Milan Hutera wrote:
I know the question was about R5, but for all intents and purposes, the menus and functions should be about the same between the cameras. It is crazy that a) Canon doesn't provide the option to properly switch the backscreen off - even though its less powerhungry than viewfinder and b) when they do provide the function that at least resembles the sensible approach, they only release it for R5 but not for R6...


Correct, there is no "Screen off" option #6 on the R6. It was added to the R5 in firmware 1.3.1.



Sep 19, 2021 at 04:19 PM
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Milan Hutera wrote:
I know the question was about R5, but for all intents and purposes, the menus and functions should be about the same between the cameras. It is crazy that a) Canon doesn't provide the option to properly switch the backscreen off - even though its less powerhungry than viewfinder and b) when they do provide the function that at least resembles the sensible approach, they only release it for R5 but not for R6...


I'm using the DOF preview button to switch between the viewfinder and screen. I don't find this very cumbersome. I don't chimp every shot either. So the extra button press is pretty meaningless to me. Also, it saves a ton of battery. I'm sure the R5 method does as well.

Brian



Sep 19, 2021 at 08:07 PM
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evertdoorn wrote:
First menu set (red items) -> submenu 7 -> last item (Shooting info. disp.) -> Screen info. settings and make sure you select nr 6 as option (screen off).

When you go out of the menu, use 'info' to select this (you cycle thru the selected options you ticked at Screen info. settings). And voila, the rear screen is black, except for reviewing images. A tap on the shutter button makes the display go black again.

This was, indeed, implemented with a firmware update earlier this year.

You're welcome.


Thank you - but I'm still puzzled. How should we set up the screen/viewfinder display? Set it to Auto 2 (autoswitching), or to "Screen"? Or to viewfinder?

I've got the info button set to scroll through four of the the screen info settings, already. Adding the sixth one, "screen off" does what? When I tried to follow your setup, the rear screen was still popping on.

Wearing glasses, and handholding heavier lenses, it's nice to be able to do a quick review on the rear screen, rather than always squint through the viewfinder. Give the other eye a chance, too!




Sep 19, 2021 at 10:35 PM
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Jim Levitt wrote:
Thank you - but I'm still puzzled. How should we set up the screen/viewfinder display? Set it to Auto 2 (autoswitching), or to "Screen"? Or to viewfinder?



Jim- Yellow menu 3 "screen/viewfinder display" set to "Auto2", Then Red menu 7 shooting info disp>screen info settings> tick #6 "screen off".

Now when you are shooting, when you cycle through the "info" button you can choose what is on the screen. #6 is "screen off". Screen will only turn on for menus and review while eye is not up to EVF. If eye is pressed up to EVF, then everything happens there.

Make sense? (This is for R5 only, not R6- It was added to the R5 in firmware 1.3.1)

-nakleh
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Sep 19, 2021 at 11:16 PM
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Followed the instructions you've given. When I check #6, "screen off", one of the other selections remains checked, and can't be unchecked.

And when I make a photo, looking through the viewfinder, the rear screen pops on with a review as soon as I lower the camera from my eye. This is with Auto 2 set, for autoswitching. Is there another parameter yet that must be set to prevent this from happening?

What am I missing here?

This seems every bit as cumbersome as mapping the DOF button to toggle between viewfinder and rear screen. And at least that way, when I need to switch to flipping out the rear screen to use live view for a high or low angle photo, the same toggle activates the rear screen.

95% of the time, I would like the rear screen to come on only by command, and then only for menu selection or image review. The fewer button presses the better, and return to viewfinder readiness needs to be equally quick.




Sep 20, 2021 at 02:43 AM
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Jim Levitt wrote:
Followed the instructions you've given. When I check #6, "screen off", one of the other selections remains checked, and can't be unchecked.

And when I make a photo, looking through the viewfinder, the rear screen pops on with a review as soon as I lower the camera from my eye. This is with Auto 2 set, for autoswitching. Is there another parameter yet that must be set to prevent this from happening?

What am I missing here?

This seems every bit as cumbersome as mapping the DOF button to toggle between viewfinder and rear screen. And at least that way,
...Show more

Sounds like you have [Image Review] enabled. Turn it [Off].



Sep 20, 2021 at 11:13 AM
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That did the trick!

Thank you.



Sep 20, 2021 at 06:06 PM
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dj63401 wrote:
This does not address what you asked. I leave my rear screen closed 99% of the time. I review shots in viewfinder when I want to review. I can see it more clearly with my old eyes. If I want to use the rear screen to review, I just open it and review, then close it. Works good for me.


I do the same and really prefer it. The only thing you can't do with the EVF is touchscreen functions (obviously).

The only problem I have with using the EVF for review (or menu settings) is I'm still using SLRs also and sometimes find myself trying to review images in a 1DX optical viewfinder.

I should add, one of the reasons I prefer EVF review is because of the look. Some of us old farts will understand what I mean when I say reviewing images in the EVF has that old-school look of slides on a light table viewed with a loupe.



Sep 20, 2021 at 08:54 PM





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