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A portrait I took of an actor, inspired by classical paintings and bust statues.

As a side-note, yes he is wearing makeup. He insisted on bringing a makeup artist, so it's an element to the shot that was unfortunately out of my control. With any portrait subject my preference is usually minimal to no makeup.

Shot using an original Canon 5D with a Canon 50mm f/1.4 lens attached. Lit with a single Neewer C300 and softbox.



Sep 18, 2021 at 06:42 PM
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p.1 #2 · p.1 #2 · Statuesque


Well lit Daniel, really shows his sculpting.


Sep 18, 2021 at 09:29 PM
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Lighting and framing is great.

All I see, however, is poor posture. Coming from an exercise physiology background, this is simply the first thing I noticed.

It is called "kyphosis" and manifests itself with rounded shoulders, caused by overdeveloped anterior (front) muscles with a lack of attention to posterior exercises.

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Sep 19, 2021 at 01:32 PM
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Doc25 wrote:
Well lit Daniel, really shows his sculpting.


Thank you Doc25.



Sep 19, 2021 at 07:14 PM
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gheller wrote:
Lighting and framing is great.

All I see, however, is poor posture. Coming from an exercise physiology background, this is simply the first thing I noticed.

It is called "kyphosis" and manifests itself with rounded shoulders, caused by overdeveloped anterior (front) muscles with a lack of attention to posterior exercises.

g


Thanks for taking the time to comment Gheller.



Sep 19, 2021 at 07:15 PM
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Question ...

Did the makeup artist and you discuss what the lighting would be (before applying the makeup), so that the makeup would be applied with that in mind (relative to how the lighting would present modeling) ... i.e. to heighten / reduce the modeling features?

Or, did the MUA just "do their own thing", and then you did your thing?



Sep 25, 2021 at 11:25 AM
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gheller wrote:
Lighting and framing is great.

All I see, however, is poor posture. Coming from an exercise physiology background, this is simply the first thing I noticed.

It is called "kyphosis" and manifests itself with rounded shoulders, caused by overdeveloped anterior (front) muscles with a lack of attention to posterior exercises.

g

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Yes, what he needs is lordosis, a more erect posture. left side of photo should show more space. But nice lighting and rendering.




Sep 25, 2021 at 10:00 PM
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RustyBug wrote:
Question ...

Did the makeup artist and you discuss what the lighting would be (before applying the makeup), so that the makeup would be applied with that in mind (relative to how the lighting would present modeling) ... i.e. to heighten / reduce the modeling features?

Or, did the MUA just "do their own thing", and then you did your thing?


The makeup was an unexpected addition to the shoot. The model and I had discussed the shoot beforehand, however my understanding was that this girl would come along and focus on grooming and styling the hair, and makeup was never discussed. To my surprise they had met up before the shoot on the day of and she had already applied his makeup, to which he was very adamant about leaving on. In my opinion he already has naturally clear skin and I would have preferred to photograph him without makeup, however it seemed as this touched on an insecurity of his that I thought best not to push. He is also someone that I reached out to in the hopes of collaborating with, so I think it's fair to say that he should be allowed some artistic direction on details like this as well.

Prior to this shoot I had never had a male subject show up for a shoot with makeup on except for headshots (which is usually a light application anyways), nor have I had a model and MUAH decide on their own to put makeup on before a shoot. As a matter of fact the only makeup I've seen someone apply for male grooming before this was only to fill in the hairline a little bit, so generally speaking all of this was pretty unexpected. After this it's something I make sure to specify with every collaborator before a shoot even when I think it's pretty obvious makeup like this isn't needed.



Sep 26, 2021 at 03:48 AM
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DanielScott wrote:
The makeup was an unexpected addition to the shoot. The model and I had discussed the shoot beforehand, however my understanding was that this girl would come along and focus on grooming and styling the hair, and makeup was never discussed. To my surprise they had met up before the shoot on the day of and she had already applied his makeup, to which he was very adamant about leaving on. In my opinion he already has naturally clear skin and I would have preferred to photograph him without makeup, however it seemed as this touched on an insecurity of
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Gotcha, nicely explained.

I figured it was "something" like that ... since you have your own command of what / how you use light for modeling (i.e. contouring).

+1 for artistic input ... which may not be the same as having a functional understanding of the use of light for modeling features.

It just looks to me that the MUA applied makeup for a different lighting setup (frontal, butterfly, etc.) than the one you shot with. Imo, the makeup doesn't help things that much, here. I probably wouldn't mention it, but you seemed to be a bit put off by the MUA decisions (i.e. without you). Imo, it just looks like gratuitous makeup (because we can), rather than actually helpful to bring out features (in concert with the lighting arrangement). That, and as you mentioned, it isn't like he needed MUA for coverup. And, it has a bit of sheen to it ... but, that could be just my personal preference for something more matte. Given your lighting (as designed for the shoot), I think the choice of makeup sheen is relative to the lighting, and to the intent for the image.

Seems like the MUA wanted to dance to the left, while you danced to the right. Probably better (to your point), if the MUA and lighting coordinator are in step with each other.

Not that photographers should be MUA, or MUA should be photographer, but the point here is that there is a coordination between what each is doing wrt to the model. Imo, the MUA would WANT to know what the lighting is going to be.

Just my way of saying, yeah ... I might be bugged by some rogue makeup, too.

But ... real world, game day, showtime ... sometimes, you just gotta make the best of it. Which is what it sounds like you aspired to.




Sep 26, 2021 at 05:34 PM
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RustyBug wrote:
Gotcha, nicely explained.

I figured it was "something" like that ... since you have your own command of what / how you use light for modeling (i.e. contouring).

+1 for artistic input ... which may not be the same as having a functional understanding of the use of light for modeling features.

It just looks to me that the MUA applied makeup for a different lighting setup (frontal, butterfly, etc.) than the one you shot with. Imo, the makeup doesn't help things that much, here. I probably wouldn't mention it, but you seemed to be a bit put off by the MUA
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You are absolutely right. I think the model had a part in it too, but I could tell it represented something a little deep-seated with him so I decided not to make an issue of it.

I personally don't like makeup when you can look at someone's face and tell that they're clearly wearing makeup, especially when a natural look is desired. In this instance I even had to reduce some of it in post, but that is a welcome cost if it means preserving a positive connection with a muse during and after the shoot. In regards to the sheen, I personally like a strong highlight on the features, so I don't mine that part. It seems this "dewy" look has been popular for a good few years now, which is a trend I don't mind at all. I think it adds to a three dimensional feel on a portrait.

I have actually considered going to beauty school in order to learn and apply makeup for my own and other's photo shoots, but I fear that it would interfere with my photography. A good friend of mine did this, and unfortunately in her case it ruined her passion for photography, so I'm unsure about going down that path.



Sep 27, 2021 at 01:26 AM
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DanielScott wrote:
You are absolutely right. I think the model had a part in it too, but I could tell it represented something a little deep-seated with him so I decided not to make an issue of it.

I personally don't like makeup when you can look at someone's face and tell that they're clearly wearing makeup, especially when a natural look is desired. In this instance I even had to reduce some of it in post, but that is a welcome cost if it means preserving a positive connection with a muse during and after the shoot. In regards to the
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If you are going to shoot people ... I would gladly advocate for learning that aspect. I recall my days in SoCal when I first started working with fashion models. While I thought I knew my craft (ha ha) back then, I was most fortunate to be taken in by a couple of seasoned models who taught me about THEIR craft. Having the better understanding of their craft improved my fashion work more than my knowledge of photography did.

As to the beauty school, I helped a GF through beauty school, so I got a bit of an inside track with that also ... which meant I had my own mannequin at home for lighting studies. So, while I sought to understand fashion, beauty, makeup, etc. ... if anything is capable of taking my passion for photography away from me ... well, then how strong is my passion for photography.

I would NOT worry about learning something to augment our beloved craft as potentially displacing it. And then, if your passion does change (I highly doubt it will), well the stronger passion wins out. Not sure there's anything wrong with that. Knowledge is a good thing, so adding to the arsenal is a good thing for more arrows in the quiver.

That said ... my view (as if it matters ) on fashion is that it falls primarily in two camps. They are saying the same thing, but in different regard to nuance. Some apply fashion though shock, intensity, avante garde, different for different, etc. It is in a bold manner that cannot be avoided, but to be noticed. Others apply fashion in a more refined, classic, subtle ability to draw the eye.

As you do learn things from others, be wary of those who teach the former so strong that they omit the latter. For your mission (imo) is to understand how to "move" the viewer's eye ... rather than how to blast it out ... particularly as it relates to the tools of one trade in concert with the tools of your trade.

Gotta run, but my short take on it is that if you have an interest in learning about what's on the OTHER side of the lens ... imo, that's always a good thing, too.



Sep 27, 2021 at 07:10 AM





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