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p.1 #1 · I've been Zeissed...


Damn it...I got the Zeiss 50/1.4 Planar yesterday and now all my Canon lenses look like crap. And those are L-lenses mind you.

Well...not crap per se. They are technically really good of course but the overall rendition and color response from the zeiss is just something else. The RAW files are just somehow filled with punchier colors using the same camera profile.

Are all zeiss lenses like this? Hard to go back to the clinical rendering of Canon glass now :-(

It only took me 20 years to discover this. Also, focusing the zeiss on R6 with the focus assistance is sooo smooth. Almost as good as AF. But just almost :-)



Sep 15, 2021 at 03:15 AM
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p.1 #2 · I've been Zeissed...


Which Zeiss ? There are two 50mm f/1.4 Planars, Contax C/Y and Classic ZE. They have very different colour rendition, which is generally pretty consistent within their own lineups; Contax and Classic, that is.

The Classic lenses are also available in Nikon mount (ZF), and some in Pentax K-mount (ZK), and a few in M42 screw mount (ZS). Also, there is a Zeiss Contax Planar 50/1.4 N, for Contax AF bodies, but they're not easily-compatible with Canon.



Sep 15, 2021 at 06:22 AM
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p.1 #3 · I've been Zeissed...


Got photos?


Sep 15, 2021 at 08:40 AM
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p.1 #4 · I've been Zeissed...


Huh. And the Zeiss 50/1.4 is one of their more unremarkable lenses.

Zeiss is definitely known for punchy color and biting microcontrast...it's sort of their signature thing. There are some truly excellent Zeiss lenses, and some of the Contax era lenses (both Contax/Yashica and Contax G) are still top notch on high megapixel sensors. I use a Contax G 90mm f/2.8 on my R5 from time to time and it is just an absolutely wonderful lens. Many of the Zeiss Loxia lenses for Sony E are remarkable as well, such as the Loxia 21/2.8 and 85/2.4. Would be great to have those come to RF mount (the register is too short for them to come to EF mount).

That isn't to say that the 'regular' makers can't do amazingly good glass that is as good or better than Zeiss too. The RF 50/1.2 is better than any of the Zeiss 50mm lenses, for instance, and I think the reference lens for 50mm landscape use (rather than portraiture) is the Voigtlander 50mm f/2 APO Lanthar.



Sep 15, 2021 at 09:30 AM
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p.1 #5 · I've been Zeissed...


Beware motivated reasoning. ;-)


Sep 15, 2021 at 10:19 AM
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p.1 #6 · I've been Zeissed...


I’m totally unfamiliar with zeiss. Can you post a couple of photos you’ve taken with the lens


Sep 15, 2021 at 10:58 AM
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p.1 #7 · I've been Zeissed...


Zeiss lenses are justifiably known for their micro contrast.

As an experiment, try modestly tweaking Clarity and Vibrance in side-by-side captures taken with your L-series Canon lenses... You may discover that the files can look very close.



Sep 15, 2021 at 12:20 PM
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p.1 #8 · I've been Zeissed...


I don't have the Zeiss Planar 50 f1.4, but agree with the others, if it is the ZE, then the general impression I get is that this is not a particularly special example, unlike say the 21mm, 135mm APO or even 100 mm Makro that used to get very good reviews. Of course, as I don't own it, I can be told I just don't know. But my response to that would be - what other classic 50mm are you comparing it to - are you comparing it to 1970 Leica Summilux, Canon 50 f1.4, Minolta etc etc? Or are you comparing it to zooms? So let's see some photos, so we can see if it really is so special. Just cos it's got Zeiss on it and its German, doesn't make it necessarily extraordinary.


Sep 15, 2021 at 01:16 PM
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p.1 #9 · I've been Zeissed...


Yep, Zeiss (and Leica) lenses generally provide more ‘pop’ than the competition. Zeiss does it for a lower price than Leica, though.


Sep 15, 2021 at 01:53 PM
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p.1 #10 · I've been Zeissed...


I shoot Zeiss lenses for my landscapes ( 21, 35, 100 ) and the resulting images ( sharpness, colors, contrast ) are so good I have no inclination to look elsewhere.


Sep 15, 2021 at 02:22 PM
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p.1 #11 · I've been Zeissed...


Congrats on picking up your first hit of Zeiss, there is no turning back now . They has such a unique rendering style compared to Canon and I have always felt that they give the scene a little more life.

I remember my first zeiss lens, a 50/2 MP, and feeling the same way. It sent me down a fun road involving a 21/2.8 and APO 135. Zeiss makes some utterly fantastic glass and the ZE classic versions are selling for bargain prices right now! I hope they release some lenses native to the RF mount eventually.

Just don't get sucked into Leica, your bank account will never survive



Sep 15, 2021 at 02:38 PM
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p.1 #12 · I've been Zeissed...


I would love to see the Zeiss Batis lenses in RF mount but I don't think it will ever happen.


Sep 15, 2021 at 03:35 PM
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p.1 #13 · I've been Zeissed...


bobbytan wrote:
I would love to see the Zeiss Batis lenses in RF mount but I don't think it will ever happen.


The Batis lenses form the base of my travel kit ( 25, 40 and 85 ). Great combination of image quality and light weight with good speed.



Sep 15, 2021 at 03:46 PM
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p.1 #14 · I've been Zeissed...


jcolwell wrote:
Which Zeiss ? There are two 50mm f/1.4 Planars, Contax C/Y and Classic ZE. They have very different colour rendition, which is generally pretty consistent within their own lineups; Contax and Classic, that is.

The Classic lenses are also available in Nikon mount (ZF), and some in Pentax K-mount (ZK), and a few in M42 screw mount (ZS). Also, there is a Zeiss Contax Planar 50/1.4 N, for Contax AF bodies, but they're not easily-compatible with Canon.


Most likely Classic ZE as he is using focus assist with the R6. The focus assist is a blessing for focusing the Classic ZE on R5/R6.



Sep 15, 2021 at 04:05 PM
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p.1 #15 · I've been Zeissed...


Lets throw Voiglander also into the mix with Zeiss.. Great lenses, that's not to say Canon L lenses are not fantastic, as they also render very well.

Maybe Canon will have a change of heart, and start allowing 3rd party lenses for the RF mount.

Feast your eyes on this thread of Zeiss lense's, beware, your pocket is not going to be happy.

https://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/860134



Sep 15, 2021 at 10:27 PM
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p.1 #16 · I've been Zeissed...


They can make precision lens, That's it.
Compared with Japanese, their lens is stale and expensive.
Must-be-good plays a big role here when we spent a lot on something.



Sep 15, 2021 at 11:25 PM
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p.1 #17 · I've been Zeissed...


All the Zeiss ZE/ZF, AFAIK, are made by Cosina in Japan to Zeiss specifications. I believe also Zeiss's Otus line. Cosina also markets lenses under the Voigtlander brand. Unfortunately very few of those in Canon EF mount. It would be good to see their Sony FE mount lenses made available for other mirrorless systems. Their APO Lanthar lenses are quite remarkable. They're also on a tear with their recent releases for Leica M mount... rivaling or exceeding Leica optical quality at a price point for mortals.


Sep 15, 2021 at 11:40 PM
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p.1 #18 · I've been Zeissed...


Robin Smith wrote:
I don't have the Zeiss Planar 50 f1.4, but agree with the others, if it is the ZE, then the general impression I get is that this is not a particularly special example, unlike say the 21mm, 135mm APO or even 100 mm Makro that used to get very good reviews.


I have the 100mm f/2 and 50mm f/2 Makro Planars, and the 100 is one of my most-used lenses. I often use it with botanical subjects where I'm trying to reproduce colours accurately, and in conjunction with Canon L lenses where I want to match the Zeiss and Canon renditions. So, with nearly 10 years of experience doing that I think I do have a handle on whatever the "Zeiss colours" are.

I do most of the correction by having separate Adobe DNG profiles for Zeiss and Canon lenses with each body. (These are made using a ColorChecker target and XRite's software.) This still leaves some more correction which I do manually for some images. I found when experimenting on how to do that it was easier to start with a Canon L image and make it look Zeissy, by nudging the yellow–blue slider towards yellow and tweaking the tone curve. To "correct" Zeiss to my "standard" Canon look, of course go the other way.

These adjustments are consistent with how the Zeiss images look to me subjectively. There is often a yellow push visible in green foliage, and the images seem too high key in the brighter areas. I don't fully understand why the DNG profile isn't fully correcting the yellow, but the way Adobe have done this is technically weird in the way it doesn't fix the white balance; life's too short and it seems plausible. I put the highlights brightness down to the Canon L coatings being better. Even though Zeiss invented multicoating (it was a WW II German military secret) both my Zeisses are noticeably less flare-resistant than my Canon Ls, especially the recent ones, so that's plausible. The Milvus versions of the same lenses are claimed to have improved coatings over the ZE "Classic" versions I have.

Comparing other aspects of lens performance, when I first used it I was astonished at how sharp the 100mm f/2 Makro was, but it is not in fact sharper than my 100–400 II at medium distances (of course,it still kills the zoom close up). As many commentators have said, other lens makers have caught up. I really dislike the Zeiss "Classic" cosmetics, and given the reports of the 21mm ZE falling apart I am not convinced they have any better build quality than Canon Ls. Nor are they weather sealed, although mine have survived hiking trips. The focussing action on the 100 is OK, but that on the ZE 50mm f/2 Makro Planar is just as stiff and horrid as people say. The Milvus version fixes the weather sealing and haptics, and I really regret not spending the extra on the Milvus version of the 50, which was out by then and which I tried out in the shop.

One more issue with the 100mm f/2: it has longitudinal chromatic aberration wide open, consistent with the age of the design.

If Canon made fast 100mm and 50mm macros, I'd replace my Zeisses with those, but they don't. (I was disappointed with the way they went with the new RF 100mm macro. I guess the existence of the 100mm and 50mm f/2 EF Milvuses destroyed the market for a fast 100mm macro, so they went for magnification as the party trick instead.) In other words, I have these lenses not because they are Zeiss, but because they are specialist tools.

The OP's 50mm f/1.4 Zeiss can be regarded as a specialist tool, for its traditional "fast fifty" bokeh. Canon's offering there was the EF 50mm f/1.2; I have that, and it's underwhelming. The Zeiss would probably have been a better buy had AF not been a requirement.



Sep 16, 2021 at 02:41 AM
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p.1 #19 · I've been Zeissed...


memoria wrote:
Damn it...I got the Zeiss 50/1.4 Planar yesterday ......
Are all zeiss lenses like this? Hard to go back to the clinical rendering of Canon glass now :-(

It only took me 20 years to discover this. Also, focusing the zeiss on R6 with the focus assistance is sooo smooth. Almost as good as AF. But just almost :-)


You will find there are several Canon shooters who have Zeiss glass. There is a thread on the Leica and Alternate Forum dedicated to images taken with Zeiss glass irrespective of any camera mount. Though very popular at one time it is not posted to as often as it was but a few still post regularly. It will give you an idea of what one can accomplish with the various Zeiss glass.

Although mainly a Canon shooter I dipped my toes into Zeiss when I ventured into UV photography with a Nikon D70S. I was in need of some normal lenses when not shooting UV. I started with the 50/1.4 Planar. I also picked up an adapter for F-EF and thus began my journey with Zeiss.

Fast forward to today as Canon was entering into the Mirrorless realm I started building a ZE collection of my favourite Zeiss lenses so I could have full functionality on a Canon (Full aperture control and EXIF information). The focus assist is a big bonus. I did sell off many of my ZF lenses but kept some for use on the F mount bodies that I have. It means I have some duplicates in both ZE and ZF mount but I am happy to have full functionality in both realms.

Congrats on your first Zeiss purchase it will bring you a lot of joy. The 50/1.4 Classic ZE/ZF was my first purchase and remains one of my favourites.



Sep 16, 2021 at 01:33 PM
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p.1 #20 · I've been Zeissed...


I've shot Zeiss glass on Leica M mount and on Sony E mount, but never tried it on R mount. Which is the best way to do it? I only have RF glass for my R5, so I'd need an adapter of some sort. Any guidance here?


Sep 17, 2021 at 07:41 AM
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