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Archive 2021 · Official: Tamron 35-150mm F/2-2.8 Di III VXD (Model A058)

  
 
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p.37 #1 · Official: Tamron 35-150mm F/2-2.8 Di III VXD (Model A058)


j4nu wrote:
@IslandMed@: I can only say exquisite! Amazing photos!
Never tried itself, but I lean towards the opinion that 16-35GM is worth its price (as you say, it's not only the price but the actual use/results one gets out of it). Maybe I'll try it one day, maybe I'll wait for smaller, lighter, sharper,... GMII .

Related to the discussion above, as it was mentioned before, current lenses are so good that I think it's the definition of a Pro to be able make any lens work .To be honest, I think most pros simply laugh when they see pixel-peepers discussing
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First, off-topic, then on-topic. I went through two copies of the 16-35GM; yes, it is a gamble regarding sharpness. The one I keep performs very satisfactorily, even at the long end where according to Roger Cicala the lens should not be at its best. I would not hesitate to use this lens at F2.8 in low-light. The near absence of chromatic aberrations/color fringing (in the RAW) is a strong feature of the 16-35GM, and it does not seem to be prone to ghosting, flare and veiling. Using this lens made me realize how I like the 24-35 mm range. Going wider is tricky; it is often tempting but when the subject is not right it is easy to end up with the images which look better when cropped.
On-topic: the reviews of the Tamron 35-150 are glowing - I am pleased they are! They addressed my concerns regarding the sharpness and especially contrast. The reviewers noted little to none chromatic aberrations (I hope they were looking at uncorrected RAW). Having said this, one area remains a concern: ghosting, flare, and especially veiling. The first can be patched, the extensive veiling is more difficult to deal with in post. The examples I have seen were all shot against the sun, which is not surprising or troubling. However, I don't remember seeing examples of images of relatively dark scenes lit by singular sources of light. For example, a street view or general city scenery after sunset where there is one or more bright lampposts in the background. Or, a venue (a hall, arena, restaurant, etc.) with subdued overall light and relatively bright lights in the background (on the walls or ceiling). It is for the relatively poor performance in these settings, I could not fall in love with the "Bigma" (Sigma 35 F1.2). Thus, I wonder how the Tamron would perform? I suspect I might be associating the Tamron with the Bigma simply because they look so much alike, the Tamron being slightly longer and heavier. Nevertheless, it would be nice to get more testing, of the kind Christopher Frost is doing in his lens reviews.



Nov 04, 2021 at 08:14 AM
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p.37 #2 · Official: Tamron 35-150mm F/2-2.8 Di III VXD (Model A058)


Off-topic:
It's good to hear anyther positive opinion of 16-35GM, which justifies its price . I decided to go for a dedicated ultra-wide solution, but for "regular" shooting I'd definitely prefer something that ends at 35mm... I think I'll patiently wait and see new developments in that area though, as your observation for 24-35 range, applies more or less to anything visibly wider than 35mm for me (i.e. I tried using 24GM for a couple of years now and I'm still not really happy with what *I* can do with it).

On-topic:
I think you are correct in your observations, flare resistance and ghosting defnitely look like the biggest downside of the Tamron. I always have trouble evaluating this as my impression is that you can make any lens flare if you try hard enough. So, I think the only way to know if it's good enough is to try it yourself in actual shooting conditions (like the one you mention), which I'm planning to do.
It's easier for me though, as I actually learned to like *some* flare/ghosting in portraits/people shoots - see Julia Trotti's style.
I'm also allergic to CA though, so the Tamron seems to hit all the marks for me .



Nov 04, 2021 at 09:18 AM
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p.37 #3 · Official: Tamron 35-150mm F/2-2.8 Di III VXD (Model A058)


I went with 17-28 in the end, I need wider and my copy is holding up all the way to 28mm on 24mp. Considered 20mm hard because edu price was around $618, there is no wrong choice between the two.

Immortal wrote:
In the end i bought Sony G 20 mm/F1.8 and honestly i couldn't be happier. It's such a good lens and goes very well with T35-150. It has pretty much no weak points and i can always use it in APSC mode for 27-28 mm eq if i need to. So for anybody thinking about a wide lens to pair with T35-150 (and/or 28-200) i can wholehearthy recommend Sony G 20/F1.8 mm - it's a killer combo.

Also nice to see you again Dexter, looking forward to more of your honest takes. I see you're not giving up....




Nov 04, 2021 at 10:16 AM
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p.37 #4 · Official: Tamron 35-150mm F/2-2.8 Di III VXD (Model A058)


Another YT review.



Also just a heads up for those with access to EDU pricing, B&H is already showing a small EDU discount for it.



Nov 04, 2021 at 01:24 PM
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p.37 #5 · Official: Tamron 35-150mm F/2-2.8 Di III VXD (Model A058)


$100 off:
35-150 f/2-2.8
28-70mm f/2.8 G2
18-300mm f/3.5-6.3
11-20mm
17-28mm
17-70mm
28-200mm
70-300mm

$150 off:
70-180mm
150-500mm

photosbyjaron wrote:
Also just a heads up for those with access to EDU pricing, B&H is already showing a small EDU discount for it.





Nov 04, 2021 at 02:36 PM
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p.37 #6 · Official: Tamron 35-150mm F/2-2.8 Di III VXD (Model A058)


gordonyz wrote:
$100 off:
35-150 f/2-2.8
28-70mm f/2.8 G2
18-300mm f/3.5-6.3
11-20mm
17-28mm
17-70mm
28-200mm
70-300mm

$150 off:
70-180mm
150-500mm



Strange, I just checked logged in with my EDU account and it's not showing. I was going to email them because I pre-ordered and if they applied it today then it was set day after they shipped the lens.



Nov 04, 2021 at 04:35 PM
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p.37 #7 · Official: Tamron 35-150mm F/2-2.8 Di III VXD (Model A058)


i got it!!! its not nearly as big and heavy as people were making it out to be. its about the size and weight of the 135GM. Feels solid, but well balanced. The zoom ring is pretty smooth and initial impressions is that is a sharp lens. i got it late last night so i was shooting the dogs around the house at iso6400 2.8 1/200, and focus was pretty good, it missed a few shots here and there, especially when my dogs started coming at me. We will see how it goes tomorrow when i shoot some undercard fights with it in "tv lights"


Nov 05, 2021 at 10:02 AM
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p.37 #8 · Official: Tamron 35-150mm F/2-2.8 Di III VXD (Model A058)


turbodude wrote:
i got it!!! its not nearly as big and heavy as people were making it out to be. its about the size and weight of the 135GM. Feels solid, but well balanced. The zoom ring is pretty smooth and initial impressions is that is a sharp lens. i got it late last night so i was shooting the dogs around the house at iso6400 2.8 1/200, and focus was pretty good, it missed a few shots here and there, especially when my dogs started coming at me. We will see how it goes tomorrow when i shoot some undercard fights
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Good luck with it. I am look forward to your report and seeing your images. That will be benchmarks we can trust.



Nov 05, 2021 at 10:19 AM
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p.37 #9 · Official: Tamron 35-150mm F/2-2.8 Di III VXD (Model A058)


The last post on the Tamron 35-150mm F/2-2.8 Di III VXD Image Thread was 8 days ago.
Would you please keep sharing your images - thanks!



Nov 05, 2021 at 11:16 AM
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p.37 #10 · Official: Tamron 35-150mm F/2-2.8 Di III VXD (Model A058)


So I may be guilty of over analyzing this lens and getting too into the weeds on pixel peeping for my own good, but I'd be very curious hearing from other owners of this lens whether they are seeing the same dramatic increase in sharpness at 150mm going from f/2.8 up to f/4.

I didn't initially pay attention to the lens performance wide open at 150 because I was comparing it to the 100-400GM and starting at f/4.5, where the Tamron compares quite favorably. However, after seeing Dustin Abbott's test shot comparing the the T35-150 and T70-180 at 150mm at f/2.8, his copy appears to be substantially sharper than mine when wide open at 150mm.

I'd say many of the images taken wide open at f/2.8 at 150mm can seem kind of mushy with almost a halo effect around details, but then it bounds into an entirely different category of sharpness at f/4. Wondering if others are seeing the same thing or if I need to consider playing the lens lottery again. Below are some crops showing what I'm talking about.





































Nov 05, 2021 at 04:15 PM
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p.37 #11 · Official: Tamron 35-150mm F/2-2.8 Di III VXD (Model A058)


I really wish this is only a f2.8 lens so it's smaller lighter and a bit cheaper, but I will buy one because the amazing range of it.


Nov 05, 2021 at 04:44 PM
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p.37 #12 · Official: Tamron 35-150mm F/2-2.8 Di III VXD (Model A058)


For comparison: Here's mine at 150 (2.8/4.0/5.6).
Mainly at the corners it gains when stopped down.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/pc21dik5lqstewj/AAAAUyRmOzGFk8EQPHgNkE5Ka?dl=0

P.S. Keep in mind that lightning wasn't really even, so that some parts might be a bit darker (shadow). And I shot in RAW.



Nov 05, 2021 at 05:07 PM
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p.37 #13 · Official: Tamron 35-150mm F/2-2.8 Di III VXD (Model A058)


What I would like to see is how this lens performs on action, particularly a person and or dog running full speed at the camera while using an a9 or a1.
Lens flare and af speed/accuracy were the only two things Dustin Abbott mentioned as possible weaknesses of this lens. Well, those are the 2 things he mentioned that I remember...



Nov 05, 2021 at 05:23 PM
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p.37 #14 · Official: Tamron 35-150mm F/2-2.8 Di III VXD (Model A058)


photosbyjaron wrote:
So I may be guilty of over analyzing this lens and getting too into the weeds on pixel peeping for my own good, but I'd be very curious hearing from other owners of this lens whether they are seeing the same dramatic increase in sharpness at 150mm going from f/2.8 up to f/4.

I didn't initially pay attention to the lens performance wide open at 150 because I was comparing it to the 100-400GM and starting at f/4.5, where the Tamron compares quite favorably. However, after seeing Dustin Abbott's test shot comparing the the T35-150 and T70-180 at 150mm at
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Sadly, i think your copy of the lens may be a dud.

I'm like pixel peeping (300%) hard at my own test and at 150 mm there is no difference at all in sharpness in the center and broader center at F2.8 vs F4. You can see marginal uptake in detail and contrast in the corners - however it's small. Nothing like this hmm haze on your picture at F2.8.

Worth mentioning i have only A7R III not A7R IV like you, so i can't push the lens to the extreme like you, however i doubt the difference should be as big as on your photos.

Edited on Nov 05, 2021 at 05:59 PM · View previous versions



Nov 05, 2021 at 05:57 PM
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p.37 #15 · Official: Tamron 35-150mm F/2-2.8 Di III VXD (Model A058)


Immortal wrote:
I'm like pixel peeping (300%) hard at my own test and at 150 mm there is no difference at all in sharpness in the center and broader center at F2.8 vs F4. You can see marginal uptake in detail and contrast in the corners - however it's small. Nothing like this hmm haze on your picture at F2.8.


Interesting. How does yours compare to mine?



Nov 05, 2021 at 05:58 PM
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p.37 #16 · Official: Tamron 35-150mm F/2-2.8 Di III VXD (Model A058)


zeitlos wrote:
Interesting. How does yours compare to mine?


Yours is in line with my in the center and broader center, however in the corners yours is a hair sharper at F2.8. However im pretty sure going by your files resolution that you're using A7III or A7C which is 24 Mpix and i'm using A7R III so that's normal.

With lower Mpix camera like yours this lens is pretty much excelent to outstanding at any focal lenght corner to corne - wide open. On A7R III i can see some detail loss in the corners and i can only assume this is even more visible on A7R IV.

That being said that haze on his pictures looks abnormal and i think it's a faulty lens.



Nov 05, 2021 at 06:17 PM
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p.37 #17 · Official: Tamron 35-150mm F/2-2.8 Di III VXD (Model A058)


Comparing images taken with A7III and A7RIV is not appropriate.
Furthermore, it would be nice to compare images without any corrections, if possible, or with minimal corrections.
Last, I don't think this is right to compare at 150 mm landscapes focused at long distances, with charts focused at short distances. Let's see more comparisons at 100 - 150 mm of the images of some relatively distant targets. These can be more revealing of the behavior of this lens than images of charts.



Nov 05, 2021 at 06:54 PM
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p.37 #18 · Official: Tamron 35-150mm F/2-2.8 Di III VXD (Model A058)


ruthenium wrote:
These can be more revealing of the behavior of this lens than images of charts.


I am not an expert (basically far from being one), so can you explain this technically?




Nov 05, 2021 at 07:27 PM
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p.37 #19 · Official: Tamron 35-150mm F/2-2.8 Di III VXD (Model A058)


zeitlos wrote:
I am not an expert (basically far from being one), so can you explain this technically?



I'm no expert either, but, in my experience, most lenses aren't at their best throughout their focus distance. This is particularly true of zooms. For example, I have a Nikon 28-105D that's a decent landscape lens between 28 and 35, but not great close focused. From 35 to about 75, it's great at any distance. From 75 on, it's best close focused and pretty horrible at mid to landscape distances (but it's a decent portrait lens at 105). If you really want to get to know a zoom, shoot everything you can imagine with it and the sweet spots will reveal themselves pretty quickly.



Nov 05, 2021 at 07:58 PM
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zeitlos wrote:
I am not an expert (basically far from being one), so can you explain this technically?



I would imagine he is alluding to the fact that lenses can often optically behave quite differently depending on where the focus point is. Weaknesses is resolving power tend to show themselves when trying to resolve fine details at near infinity focus from a distance. Of course the problem you encounter at near infinity is knowing what is lens aberration and what is atmospheric interference. I probably should try to take some more test shots early in the morning as these were taken in the middle of the day and some atmospheric interference is clearly visible, but I think Immortal is correct that I may have a less than stellar copy if y'all aren't seeing the same sort of haze wide open.

More similar to your test chart example, here's some shots of a bookcase, and at f/2.8 you can still see a slight haze/halo in areas of high contrast that is improved dramatically by f/4. I checked for the same behavior with my wife's A7R3, and it is present there also, so it does appear to be with the lens and not an issue with either of our sensors (thankfully). I'm going to test it in a few more situations, but I'll likely submit a return and reorder. This copy is slightly decentered, so who knows - that may be the cause. Despite this initial hiccup, I'm absolutely sold on the lens and what its potential capabilities are with a centered copy. I'll go through as many as it takes to own a good copy.
















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