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Archive 2021 · Cobalt Profiles

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p.39 #1 · p.39 #1 · Cobalt Profiles

This will sound fanboy-ish a bit (which is funny as I barely use LR, and as a consequence the one Cobalt filmpack I've bought some time ago), but "Cobalt Colours" might be the first profile for RAW development, where I actually prefer the skintones (without much tweaking) to those from in-cam JPEG (I often struggle to get the RAW skintones close to the JPEG ones, as I like these most of the time).

Mar 28, 2022 at 05:32 AM

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p.39 #2 · p.39 #2 · Cobalt Profiles

j4nu wrote:
This will sound fanboy-ish a bit (which is funny as I barely use LR, and as a consequence the one Cobalt filmpack I've bought some time ago), but "Cobalt Colours" might be the first profile for RAW development, where I actually prefer the skintones (without much tweaking) to those from in-cam JPEG (I often struggle to get the RAW skintones close to the JPEG ones, as I like these most of the time).

Apparently there is a new version of this profile (v1.2)

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Update!

Version 1.2 of Cobalt Colour has been released.
Included:
-Cobalt Colour
-Cobalt Colour (SRGB)
-Cobalt Colour (Adobe RGB)
-Preset WB and Matrix for extreme recovery.

Cobalt Colour has been improved to avoid unwanted posterizations. The two added versions are for the straight export to reduce colour spaces (gamut mapping in CIECAM02 to sRGB and AdobeRGB). Please download it from the Basic Pack page, delete the old one and install the zip file by importing it from Lightroom/Acr.

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Mar 28, 2022 at 08:37 AM

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p.39 #3 · p.39 #3 · Cobalt Profiles

Sorry guys, V1.2 is still clipping:-

V1.2
https://i.ibb.co/QXYVy5z/V12.jpg
V1.2 sRGB
https://i.ibb.co/ryL09Fj/V12srgb.jpg

Mar 28, 2022 at 11:06 AM

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p.39 #4 · p.39 #4 · Cobalt Profiles

JamesRitson wrote:
Sorry guys, V1.2 is still clipping:-

V1.2
https://i.ibb.co/QXYVy5z/V12.jpg
V1.2 sRGB
https://i.ibb.co/ryL09Fj/V12srgb.jpg

Hi James, could you please share this raw file?

Mar 28, 2022 at 11:53 AM

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p.39 #5 · p.39 #5 · Cobalt Profiles

Ulysseita wrote:
Hi James, could you please share this raw file?

No problem, I will upload it for your when I get home.

For reference here is the image with my latest spectral profile applied.

James Spectral V1.2a
https://i.ibb.co/VWv1LfJ/James-V12a.jpg

Edited on Mar 28, 2022 at 01:45 PM · View previous versions

Mar 28, 2022 at 01:01 PM

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p.39 #6 · p.39 #6 · Cobalt Profiles

Here you go, I forgot it was from IR so here is a direct link:-

https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/sony-a7r-iv/FULLRES/Y-WB-DSC00345.ARW

Mar 28, 2022 at 01:32 PM

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p.39 #7 · p.39 #7 · Cobalt Profiles

Adobe color (Imported, WRONG WB)
https://i.imgur.com/r7g5u5R.jpg

Adobe color (wb auto)
https://i.imgur.com/XYnZRZe.jpg

Our reference, COBALT NEUTRAL
https://i.imgur.com/Jq5SUQ5.jpg

Cobalt Colour
https://i.imgur.com/6x1jpvR.jpg

In case of problem... Cobalt Colour with preset Matrix -25
https://i.imgur.com/gbWwwnh.jpg

To my taste and my eyes everything is working well.

Edited on Mar 28, 2022 at 06:54 PM · View previous versions

Mar 28, 2022 at 02:11 PM

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p.39 #8 · p.39 #8 · Cobalt Profiles

James, sorry about that, I can't find your name as a customer in our database.
are you one of our customers?

Mar 28, 2022 at 02:19 PM

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p.39 #9 · p.39 #9 · Cobalt Profiles

The colors are all over the place! It looks nothing like the real image!

Here is the Sony OOC Jpeg:-
https://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/sony-a7r-iv/FULLRES/Y-WB-DSC00345.JPG

Mar 28, 2022 at 02:34 PM

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p.39 #10 · p.39 #10 · Cobalt Profiles

I'm done posting in this thread.

My free spectral profiles that will be available soon will blow these awful Cobalt things away.

Fred, you can test this clipping why don't you comment? I have wasted money based on your recommendation, going forward I cannot trust you.

Edited on Mar 28, 2022 at 02:44 PM · View previous versions

Mar 28, 2022 at 02:41 PM

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p.39 #11 · p.39 #11 · Cobalt Profiles

JamesRitson wrote:
I'm done posting in this thread.

My free spectral profiles that will be available soon will blow these awful Cobalt things away.

And another troll hidden…

Mar 28, 2022 at 02:42 PM

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p.39 #12 · p.39 #12 · Cobalt Profiles

Grenache wrote:
And another troll hidden…

Not a troll, download the raw and try it yourself. the profiles are broken.

Mar 28, 2022 at 02:45 PM

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p.39 #13 · p.39 #13 · Cobalt Profiles

JamesRitson wrote:
I'm done posting in this thread.

My free spectral profiles that will be available soon will blow these awful Cobalt things away.

Fred, you can test this clipping why don't you comment? I have wasted money based on your recommendation, going forward I cannot trust you.

I prefer the Cobalt Standard for the image you posted. When using the profile Cobalt "Colours" on this image, I find that using Matrix saturation "-15" and WB "Daylight" improves the result.

If I wanted accuracy, I would stick with the default Adobe Standard or Cobalt Standard depending on the image. However, I usually prefer using a profile that gives pleasant colors or skin tones for the image I'm working on. It's great to have so many options to choose from.

For the RAW image you posted, here is the Cobalt Standard using WB Daylight followed by Cobalt "Colours" with Matrix saturation -15 and WB Daylight:

Cobalt Standard using WB Daylight

Cobalt Colours with Matrix saturation -15 and WB Daylight

Mar 28, 2022 at 03:31 PM

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p.39 #14 · p.39 #14 · Cobalt Profiles

In fact it is a very difficult photo.
From what I can see the red flower is in an area close to clipping and the same phenomenon occurs in Adobe Colors.

This is the problem of building grading luts, taking into account the thousands and thousands of possible variations.
It is a very saturated red flower, with a WB that pushes the tint to 53 of Magenta; one of the worst situations.
Fortunately, the Matrix Mod helps to solve these special cases.

And yes, no one is perfect, like nothing we do is perfect.
We are human; but quite good.

Mar 28, 2022 at 04:14 PM

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p.39 #15 · p.39 #15 · Cobalt Profiles

So to sum up.

My 'Spectral Labs' Workflow:

Load RAW apply Spectral DCP profile.

'Cobalt Image' Workflow:

Load RAW, apply Cobalt Modular DCP, apply Cobalt Colors XMP, apply -15 matrix XMP...

A profile made correctly does not need all the above nonsense to deal with difficult images.

Mar 28, 2022 at 04:28 PM

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p.39 #16 · p.39 #16 · Cobalt Profiles

JamesRitson wrote:
So to sum up.

My 'Spectral Labs' Workflow:

Load RAW apply Spectral DCP profile.

'Cobalt Image' Workflow:

Load RAW, apply Cobalt Modular DCP, apply Cobalt Colors XMP, apply -15 matrix XMP...

A profile made correctly does not need all the above nonsense to deal with difficult images.

You can create presets containing those steps for Cobalt for a 1 click fix, you know. Some people will have to do similar with your own colors, since they won't be to everyone's taste, either.

Mar 28, 2022 at 04:48 PM

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p.39 #17 · p.39 #17 · Cobalt Profiles

JamesRitson wrote:
So to sum up.

My 'Spectral Labs' Workflow:

Load RAW apply Spectral DCP profile.

'Cobalt Image' Workflow:

Load RAW, apply Cobalt Modular DCP, apply Cobalt Colors XMP, apply -15 matrix XMP...

A profile made correctly does not need all the above nonsense to deal with difficult images.

I think the workflow depends on the image. It would not be wise to apply a profile that accentuates color on an image that is on the verge of clipping already. It seems like you cherry-picked this image to intentionally bash the new Cobalt Colour profile.

If that's not your intention, at least stop promoting your own profiles on this thread. Thank you.

Mar 28, 2022 at 04:58 PM

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p.39 #18 · p.39 #18 · Cobalt Profiles

JamesRitson wrote:
I'm done posting in this thread.

I see...

Are you aware that you are comparing a workflow between a basic profile and a color grading profile?
We really would like to know about your account registered on our site to be able to know who we are dealing with.

Regarding the construction of spectral profiles: to obtain them it is necessary to know the SSF curves of the cameras, of each camera.
So I assume you have a spectrum analysis laboratory, consisting of a monochromator, integrating sphere, spectroradiometer. And that in just one day you have measured and calculated all Sony E-mounts and all Canon RF.
If so, wow, I wonder why you bought the profiles from us. And I also wonder why you complain about the price, given that just the spectrum analysis lab you have will cost around $ 40,000, plus the rental cost of all Sony E-mounts and Canon RF.

Mar 28, 2022 at 05:01 PM

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p.39 #19 · p.39 #19 · Cobalt Profiles

Ulysseita wrote:
Adobe color (Imported, WRONG WB)
https://i.imgur.com/YA3axpU.jpg

Adobe color (wb auto)
https://i.imgur.com/IJX7TAt.jpg

Our reference, COBALT NEUTRAL
https://i.imgur.com/Ww8V6IN.jpg

Cobalt Colour
https://i.imgur.com/yVcJSNf.jpg

In case of problem... Cobalt Colour with preset Matrix -25
https://i.imgur.com/JcBtv6Q.jpg

To my taste and my eyes everything is working well.

I'm actually quite liking the new Cobalt Colours profile as a starting point (so thanks for that), but to be honest: these examples all look horrible to me. (Fred's examples look way better).

1) The LR auto WB is just wrong here.

2) They all are too desaturated.

3) That's (first example) not how the image looks when being imported into Lightroom.
This is how it looks, Adobe Color profile, not a single thing touched:

Completely different than the one you're labeling as the default LR Adobe Color import. Already with clipping flowers.

Those things aside, it certainly is a difficult image. The flowers are clipping easily.
In most of my images I'm not noticing such issues so this is more of a worst case scenario.

Mar 28, 2022 at 05:04 PM

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p.39 #20 · p.39 #20 · Cobalt Profiles

Jochenb wrote:
I'm actually quite liking the new Cobalt Colours profile as a starting point (so thanks for that), but to be honest: these examples all look horrible to me. (Fred's examples look way better).

1) The LR auto WB is just wrong here.

2) They all are too desaturated.

3) That's (first example) not how the image looks when being imported into Lightroom.
This is how it looks, Adobe Color profile, not a single thing touched:

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51968200615_133d2c948e_o.jpg

Completely different than the one you're labeling as the default LR Adobe Color import. Already with clipping flowers.

Those things aside, it certainly is a difficult...Show more →

The right wb on this picture is quite hard to reach, from my opinion is not cols like mine but is cooler than your samples, the colour for the green is typical from a cloudy day so for sure IS NOT warm.
I did just an import, auto wb and the profiles shown above.
Seems weird your adobe colour compared to mine, the first one.
I double-checked, mine is the same again.
ps I was wrong, added a matrix correction...

BTW, we are talking about a dedicated mainstream profile for general photography, and the sample is close to the worst nightmare

For that we have Neutral, Flat and Repro...

Edited on Mar 28, 2022 at 06:56 PM · View previous versions

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