Mitch Alland wrote:
@Ulysseita@ - I have both the Ricoh GR III and the GR IIIx. I haven't bought the DNG Basic Profiles for two reasons:
1. While I find the DNG Profile essential for my Leica M10 (because it is useful for accurate colors in difficult light), my feeling is that the it's easier to get good results with the Adobe profiles for the GR III/GR IIIx. Also, the Ricoh JPGs are so much better and more flexible than those of the M10 that I shoot JPG+DNG with the Ricoh cameras — and often end up using the JPGs for a final edit, or use them as a target for processing the DNGs.
2. My feeling is that the GR III/GR IIIx cameras are so similar, if not identical, that Ithink there should be one DNG package for both. In our PM conversation a couple of weeks ago you mentioned that the two Ricoh DNG Basic Profiles were based on two different color calibrations. But I wonder whether they are so different, as to make it essential to have two different calibrations.
1- same sensor, same engine, different data, we are talking about "calibrated profiles" with thin DeltaE.. the smaller changes is out of these boundaries.
2- different name set on Adobe/DNG naming.
Sometimes there is not even a limit.. as m240/m240p... sometimes is there.
BTW, are you sure even the sensor is the same (a7, a7ii, D750 had the same sensor) or the body is the same? this does not mean the engine inside is the same; a different lens profile, different in-camera lens correction at raw level, different compression, etc... make a different file.
Yes, you can use it if you rename some files with a text editor, another camera profile, but why if you are sure to lose the calibrated set, the extended gamut, the signature between cameras and the fidelity of the emulations?
I picked up the Leica M9 and I'm struggling a bit with colors, mainly magenta. Splotchy faces, sickly noses, etc. However I do love the CCD pop and saturation. Does the profile help with managing colors without losing that CCD charm?
derKoekje wrote:
I picked up the Leica M9 and I'm struggling a bit with colors, mainly magenta. Splotchy faces, sickly noses, etc. However I do love the CCD pop and saturation. Does the profile help with managing colors without losing that CCD charm?
Of course, the Cobalt basic profile will sort parts of that bad behaviour, I have an M9 too and many problems have been fixed ...
but, you will keep positive and negatives from your CCD... noise, low margin on editing and pop, yes , THE POP!
Ulysseita wrote:
A week ago I had some meetings with friends and ex-colleagues.
So I took my M9 and took many pics under mixed artificial lights using the mighty 40 1.2
That was just a series of two picture, a world of difference.
We offer evolute film emulations, digital emulations and tailored services, but THE IMPORTANCE of a BASIC calibrated profile for the specific illuminant, from us or just made by yourself is HUGE.
Below on Capture One.
A7r3, also suited with ProStandard profiles on C1..
Ulysseita wrote:
The grain setting is made using an external preset so you can choose which grain to use.
PS.
We just added the basic profile for the new M11 by Leica!
So, up to this point, I've been a huge fan of the Replichrome packs and preset. However, I find they work far better with ARW files than NEF files.
I still regularly process my back catalog of Sony files along with my current Nikon files. Is Cobalt a single install for all camera types, and then auto-detects which adjustments to make based on brand? Supposedly this is how Replichome is SUPPOSED to work, but it doesn't feel like it's working that way.
I'd be very interested in Cobalt if I could get similar output no matter which brand file I'm working on.
RoamingScott wrote:
So, up to this point, I've been a huge fan of the Replichrome packs and preset. However, I find they work far better with ARW files than NEF files.
I still regularly process my back catalog of Sony files along with my current Nikon files. Is Cobalt a single install for all camera types, and then auto-detects which adjustments to make based on brand? Supposedly this is how Replichome is SUPPOSED to work, but it doesn't feel like it's working that way.
I'd be very interested in Cobalt if I could get similar output no matter which brand file I'm working on.
That's the whole idea behind the basic profile packages.
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You can apply a given profile to any camera from any brand and find that they match.
The only requirement is that you buy the base set for every body type. (not brand)
DaveFP wrote:
The only requirement is that you buy the base set for every body type. (not brand)
That's a terrible business model then. I have files from 5-6 different body models that I regularly still edit. I just checked and a single Nikon Z7ii profile is 40 bucks, and then the price of the emulations on top of that? I'll keep struggling with Replichrome for free at this point.
RoamingScott wrote:
That's a terrible business model then. I have files from 5-6 different body models that I regularly still edit. I just checked and a single Nikon Z7ii profile is 40 bucks, and then the price of the emulations on top of that? I'll keep struggling with Replichrome for free at this point.
Well; perfection ain't cheap.
Huelight does the same thing; additional charge for each body type.
RoamingScott wrote:
That's a terrible business model then. I have files from 5-6 different body models that I regularly still edit. I just checked and a single Nikon Z7ii profile is 40 bucks, and then the price of the emulations on top of that? I'll keep struggling with Replichrome for free at this point.
Please do not compare an emulation pack to our modular system.
Our main core is dedicated to calibrations, accuracy, wider gamut, colour fidelity, and a constant colour signature throughout your bodies.
To get that you don't have many choices; you could calibrate your cameras if you have a proper lighting system (calibrated) on your studio and the proper target well exposed and I can tell you that IS NO cheap, or you can buy our profiles.
That option gives you, after the first series of perks about colour reproduction and constant output between brands, access to emulations.
That is just a matter of choice, if you like our emulations or if you prefer other products.
I bought the standard pack of Cobalt for my Leica SL1. Very happy with it. Especially the reds gained a better color rendition in Cobalt standard than with the original raw files. Also other colors show a subtle improvement.
RoamingScott wrote:
So, up to this point, I've been a huge fan of the Replichrome packs and preset. However, I find they work far better with ARW files than NEF files.
I still regularly process my back catalog of Sony files along with my current Nikon files. Is Cobalt a single install for all camera types, and then auto-detects which adjustments to make based on brand? Supposedly this is how Replichome is SUPPOSED to work, but it doesn't feel like it's working that way.
I'd be very interested in Cobalt if I could get similar output no matter which brand file I'm working on.
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RoamingScott wrote:
That's a terrible business model then. I have files from 5-6 different body models that I regularly still edit. I just checked and a single Nikon Z7ii profile is 40 bucks, and then the price of the emulations on top of that? I'll keep struggling with Replichrome for free at this point.
Awesome problem solving skills in evidence here. Thousands of dollars invested in 5-6 different camera bodies as well as countless hours in post-processing (past and future) but, rather than investing in a meticulously created system designed to give consistent results irrespective of the camera model, you decide you’d rather “struggle” with the cheapskate “solution” which doesn’t seem to work the way it’s SUPPOSED to and in any case works better with ARW files than it does with NEF files.
We added another row of samples with just our basic profiles with difficult images.
To start one of the eruption of Etna in the night, where is quite important the number of shades and the different (less cool but more accurate) warm lava colour rendition. Not the perfect shot but perfect to show the difference between a standard profile and a calibrated one.
The second is a portrait where is HUGE the different rendition of the skin and the lips, surrounded by a very bad green.
The last is the core of our business, THE RED.
The image speaks by itself; Adobe Color is COMPRESSING all the reds in just one shade, without any details like a kid drawing; this kind of picture is not recoverable using highlight recovering, and needs a very deep work in PS without using our (or others) calibrated profiles.
Please consider how powerful is in all the samples, the REPRO considering the freedom to build YOUR CUSTOM basic curve recovering almost all the problems.
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