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keepcoding wrote:
Rendering depends very much on the distance to the subject and the portion of the frame that is looked at. Ideally you would compare off-center / edge crops. The shallow depth of field in the samples also suggest that the focus distance was quite short (< 1m).


Plausible denial, but this wasn't the only comparison scene and focus distance I've done.



Jul 13, 2021 at 11:30 AM
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QuietOC wrote:
Plausible denial, but this wasn't the only comparison scene and focus distance I've done.


Ah you did the comparison, then please post more



Jul 13, 2021 at 11:35 AM
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Ah you did the comparison, then please post more


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Please, and, if possible, including approx. distances. In The fist comparison all lenses except for the Canon STM seemed OK. The light was changing so hard to judge but the Canon and the 45mm Sigma were both different from the other lenses.



Jul 13, 2021 at 01:41 PM
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p.7 #4 · Sony FE 40/2.5 G - A little darling. Samples and opinions welcome!


Some 40G goodness from the weekend.
































Jul 13, 2021 at 10:03 PM
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p.7 #5 · Sony FE 40/2.5 G - A little darling. Samples and opinions welcome!


jhinkey wrote:
Some 40G goodness from the weekend.


Moooooooooreeeeeee!



Jul 14, 2021 at 12:37 AM
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p.7 #6 · Sony FE 40/2.5 G - A little darling. Samples and opinions welcome!


My first chance to get out with this lens.

_7R31608 by Dan Araujo, on Flickr


_7R31622 by Dan Araujo, on Flickr


_7R31592 by Dan Araujo, on Flickr



Jul 14, 2021 at 08:57 AM
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p.7 #7 · Sony FE 40/2.5 G - A little darling. Samples and opinions welcome!


Short description of the lens:
by QuietOC in another thread:
I notice that the 40 G has very little lateral CA, unlike the FE 35 F1.8 or Samyang 45 F1.8. The corners are much better stopped down than those lenses. The out-of-focus is fine. It is a well-corrected lens, so backgrounds are not very smooth like the under corrected lenses. Out-of-focus highlights have a lot of structure more than the 55 F1.8 Sonnar. It has three of the cheap aspherical elements--not the finely finished ones like in GM's.

Well written and I agree.

At another place darrelc wrote:

(...) can’t lean on the lens to make my images sparkle but can get the job done.

Also true.

So what to do with such a lens?
About anything i think.
Here is a causal image taken of my better half when out walking. She was standing with the greenery right behind here, in the troublesome transition zone. We have some hot days here so this is taken in the shadow:

In the image (PP: white balance only, some warmth added) above most of the comments from above can be seen. For the sensitive eye the background may be distracting.

Add 30 seconds of PP:

Above I just swept around with the blur tool in photoshop.

If that still is disturbing and we want something more STF-like we can spend another minute or so in photoshop:

Above, an extra layer, gaussian blur, a layer mask and then bring back the subject.

I admit that's a pretty easy one and perhaps it doesn't sparkle. Wifey is happy though.
Sometimes no post is necessary, sometimes the background is more tricky. However, considering I maybe get a dozen real keepers a year i don't mind a minute or two extra while processing my images. I really appreciate a fully featured lens in this focal length, light weight, with fast, silent and accurate AF. Now I have used the lens for some time and I still think it will stay with me for quite some time.



Jul 16, 2021 at 01:00 PM
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Jonas B wrote:

Short description of the lens:

Well written and I agree.

At another place darrelc wrote:

Also true.

So what to do with such a lens?
About anything i think.
Here is a causal image taken of my better half when out walking. She was standing with the greenery right behind here, in the troublesome transition zone. We have some hot days here so this is taken in the shadow:
https://photos.imageevent.com/jonas_b/littledarling40g/e684_E_Lydde_gard_1200px_orig.jpg

In the image (PP: white balance only, some warmth added) above most of the comments from above can be seen. For the sensitive eye the background may be distracting.

Add 30 seconds of PP:
https://photos.imageevent.com/jonas_b/littledarling40g/e684_E_Lydde_gard_1200px_soft1.jpg

Above I just swept around
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All three versions of your image seem to have a slight green cast.



Jul 16, 2021 at 01:07 PM
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bjornthun wrote:
All three versions of your image seem to have a slight green cast.

OK. Thank you Björn. I'll have to re-work them when getting back home using the color-managed computer. Hopefully the point with posting the greens comes through...
EDIT: spelling

EDIT 2: OK, Now at home I see the problem. I'll try to calibrate the old laptop again for more reliable work during the second part of the vacation. The three images above will stay though as the color isn't the point of interest really. Thanks again! /Jonas



Jul 16, 2021 at 01:22 PM
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Okay, psuedo "rented" a lens when one of my American relatives came to visit, and I think I'm gonna keep it. Very impressed overall with this lens—haven't had any time to inspect images on a monitor but I'm pretty confident in judging the output from the back of the camera. Some thoughts from my time thus far:

  1. Pretty much perfect in terms of ergonomics and functionality from a casual documentary perspective. I really can't overstate this—been photographing my kiddo for over 3 years at this point, started with the 55 ZA, moved to the 40 CF, and this lens is a huge step up from both in terms of a primary optic in this regard. This opinion comes from a combination of weight (at 173g, I haven't had a camera this easy to port around since the original 7R + 55 ZA), construction (while not a step up from the 40 CF in this regard, it's certainly a huge improvement from the 55), AF (at least as good as my 20 G in good light—possibly better, and definitely competent in more challenging lighting which is a huge step up from the 40 CF), and MFD|reproduction ratio (admittedly, this is a step back from the 40 CF, but an improvement from any non-macro lens I've used).
  2. IQ is maybe half a step back from the 40 CF (when the Zeiss is @2.5 or narrower)—although I was surprised at how close the Sony 40 is. I haven't done a demanding resolution test, but in the quick portrait side by side I ran my copies of the lens were essentially identical to the point that focus and camera/subject movement would make a much bigger impact than what lens I had mounted. For those of you keeping score—that means this is historically excellent, but behind the current top standard exhibited in the 20 G, 35 GM, etc. I'm actually more impressed with the 40 G than the CF here, because the 40 G achieves this performance without any "fat" to trim off from f=2—2.5 like you have on the Zeiss. Color rendition is different, but not so different that it won't be ~95% identical with AWB enabled—the Sony is warmer than the Zeiss but this is something you can only spot on the same white balance settings. Color expression is mostly found in red and orange saturated highlights shifting toward yellow for the Sony, with red and orange shadows shifting toward blue for the Zeiss. While I can correct the Sony color expression more toward neutral, I actually really appreciate the Zeiss touch and it's difficult to replicate using my editing software. Both lenses are about equally corrected for LaCA, though the Zeiss is better corrected for LoCA (the Sony isn't bad, the Zeiss is just very good). As a result of LoCA performance, and perhaps a few other things I can't put a name to, I have a slight preference for bokeh on the Zeiss 40—but this preference is minor. Admittedly, I'm not the biggest bokeh snob as long as something isn't egregiously wrong—which isn't the case here.
  3. What surprised me was how much the SA the 40 G has at 2.5—and how different its expression is than the Zeiss' SA at 2 and 2.2. The quality of the SA on the 40 G is much better when expressed due to a much greater likelihood of detail retention. I don't know exactly why this is, but the "bloom" I commonly associate with SA only affects contrast and color expression in most cases, whereas in the Zeiss at 2 and 2.2 it almost always negatively effects resolution. I won't waste your time writing down what I think is going on—as I really have no idea. Just my observations. What I do know, however, is that SA can negatively effect close up performance when it flares up. This is much more easily elaborated on with examples to back it up, but as a broad general statement the Sony 40 is definitely not up to par with the Zeiss 40 in this respect—both in magnification and clarity. Again, the Sony 40 is never bad like one might remember from older lenses with disappointing close up performance—the Zeiss 40 is just simply the best close up performer that's not explicitly a macro lens for the E-mount.


If there was anything I'd ask for it would be... f2? I am very satisfied with every aspect of this lens, and I don't feel 2.5 is that limiting in terms of subject isolation. Higher ISO values just mean I need to segment my editing workflow to include DXO PureRAW—and while that program is amazing in terms of output, more time is more time and more storage is more storage. I'd really rather have to do neither. What this lens brings to the table, however, is just competence in everything that matters to me as a family photographer. It'll be a very hard act to follow, as it's been quite a while since I've enjoyed a shooting experience this much.



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JVan_02 wrote:
Okay, psuedo "rented" a lens when one of my American relatives came to visit, and I think I'm gonna keep it. Very impressed overall [...]


I told you... it's a little darling. Not spectacular but easy to use, a good feature set and not much to complain about. It could have been faster and the bokeh could have been better sometimes (yup, I'm a bit of a bokeh snob and sometimes have to soften areas out of focus, as demonstrated). Every lens could have been something it is not but not many turn out to be keepers.

The Zeiss 40/2 CF is an impressive lens and every time I see images taken with it I wish the 40G rendered in a similar way. The weight, the price and size is another thing though... I'm not sure. I would still like to try it though.

Thank you for posting your impressions!




Aug 08, 2021 at 08:26 AM
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Jonas B wrote:
I told you... it's a little darling. Not spectacular but easy to use, a good feature set and not much to complain about. It could have been faster and the bokeh could have been better sometimes (yup, I'm a bit of a bokeh snob and sometimes have to soften areas out of focus, as demonstrated). Every lens could have been something it is not but not many turn out to be keepers.

The Zeiss 40/2 CF is an impressive lens and every time I see images taken with it I wish the 40G rendered in a similar way. The weight,
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I have been taking photos with the Zeiss 40 CF for 9 months. Since I've owned it, the other lenses have stayed in the closet. The contrasts of the CF are very pronounced. I often have to reduce the contrasts in LR. Very hard light at noon is often turned into very soft and attractive light. The colors are in a class of their own. I find it impressive how the colors green is represented with many nuances. If you photograph the edge of the forest, every single tree has its own green. Each tree is very different from the other. I have never seen that before with any other lens. Green grass is also displayed very naturally. In addition, there is the great sharpness, an impressive close focus and often a beautiful bokeh. I enjoy the 360 ​​grams. My other lenses are all heavier. Since we have had an Akita Inu, I have been hiking with the family through nature for hours every day. With the Batis, I can carry the camera with a hand strap and two fingers for hours without it becoming a nuisance, even if I'm not taking a photo.



Aug 08, 2021 at 09:05 AM
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JVan_02 wrote:
Okay, psuedo "rented" a lens when one of my American relatives came to visit, and I think I'm gonna keep it. Very impressed overall with this lens—haven't had any time to inspect images on a monitor but I'm pretty confident in judging the output from the back of the camera. Some thoughts from my time thus far:

  1. Pretty much perfect in terms of ergonomics and functionality from a casual documentary perspective. I really can't overstate this—been photographing my kiddo for over 3 years at this point, started with the 55 ZA, moved to the 40 CF, and this lens
  2. IQ is maybe half a step back from the 40 CF (when the Zeiss is @2.5 or narrower)—although I was surprised at how close the Sony 40 is. I haven't done a demanding resolution test, but in the quick portrait side by side I ran my copies of the lens were essentially identical to the point that focus and camera/subject movement would make a much bigger impact than what lens I had mounted. For those of you keeping score—that means this is historically excellent, but behind the current top standard exhibited in the 20 G, 35 GM, etc. I'm actually more impressed with the 40 G than the CF here, because the 40 G achieves this performance without any "fat" to trim off from f=2—2.5 like you have on the Zeiss. Color rendition is different, but not so different that it won't be ~95% identical with AWB enabled—the Sony is warmer than the Zeiss but this is something you can only spot on the same white balance settings. Color expression is mostly found in red and orange saturated highlights shifting toward yellow for the Sony, with red and orange shadows shifting toward blue for the Zeiss. While I can correct the Sony color expression more toward neutral, I actually really appreciate the Zeiss touch and it's difficult to replicate using my editing software. Both lenses are about equally corrected for LaCA, though the Zeiss is better corrected for LoCA (the Sony isn't bad, the Zeiss is just very good). As a result of LoCA performance, and perhaps a few other things I can't put a name to, I have a slight preference for bokeh on the Zeiss 40—but this preference is minor. Admittedly, I'm not the biggest bokeh snob as long as something isn't egregiously wrong—which isn't the case here.
  3. What surprised me was how much the SA the 40 G has at 2.5—and how different its expression is than the Zeiss' SA at 2 and 2.2. The quality of the SA on the 40 G is much better when expressed due to a much greater likelihood of detail retention. I don't know exactly why this is, but the "bloom" I commonly associate with SA only affects contrast and color expression in most cases, whereas in the Zeiss at 2 and 2.2 it almost always negatively effects resolution. I won't waste your time writing down what I think is going on—as I really have no idea. Just my observations. What I do know, however, is that SA can negatively effect close up performance when it flares up. This is much more easily elaborated on with examples to back it up, but as a broad general statement the Sony 40 is definitely not up to par with the Zeiss 40 in this respect—both in magnification and clarity. Again, the Sony 40 is never bad like one might remember from older lenses with disappointing close up performance—the Zeiss 40 is just simply the best close up performer that's not explicitly a macro lens for the E-mount.


If there was anything I'd ask for it would be... f2? I am very satisfied with every aspect of this lens, and I don't feel 2.5 is that limiting in terms of subject isolation. Higher ISO values just mean I need to segment my editing workflow to include DXO PureRAW—and while that program is amazing in terms of output, more time is more time and more storage is more storage. I'd really rather have to do neither. What this lens brings to the table, however, is just competence in everything that matters to me as a family photographer. It'll be a very hard act to follow, as it's been quite a while since I've enjoyed a shooting experience this much.
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Could you elaborate on your comparison to the 55/1.8? I find this lens to be a nice compromise between size and fast aperture while still being quite compact. Is it mostly the even smaller size or focal length you prefer or are there other qualities you like on the 40G?


Aug 08, 2021 at 10:59 AM
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Schwarzlicht wrote:
I have been taking photos with the Zeiss 40 CF for 9 months. Since I've owned it, the other lenses have stayed in the closet. The contrasts of the CF are very pronounced. I often have to reduce the contrasts in LR. Very hard light at noon is often turned into very soft and attractive light. The colors [...] In addition, there is the great sharpness, an impressive close focus and often a beautiful bokeh. I enjoy the 360 ​​grams. My other lenses are all heavier. Since we have had an Akita Inu, I have been hiking with the family
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Hi Stefan!

It's partly your images that have made me think about the 40/2 CF. I dismissed it when released, mainly due to the price. (Since then I have bought the 35GM which costs even more... and which I now am about to sell. So it can go but it's another story.) Then I read about focusing problems and that was it: I thought of it as an odd Zeiss failure.

Now I'm interested again. Well, there are actually several interesting options in the Fl range. For now I stay with the 40G but will continue looking at your images!




Aug 08, 2021 at 11:25 AM
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grahamgibson wrote:
Could you elaborate on your comparison to the 55/1.8? I find this lens to be a nice compromise between size and fast aperture while still being quite compact. Is it mostly the even smaller size or focal length you prefer or are there other qualities you like on the 40G?


Certainly the 55 ZA is an appealing package considering it's probably the best AF lens for the IQ that I've seen for the E-mount if you weight size and grams in your calculations. The 40 G might be equal or slightly better in terms of IQ depending on what you prefer in terms of LaCA or a greater potential for subject isolation. However, there are clear areas where the 40 is ahead: AF in good lighting (possibly equal in poor lighting due to the greater light gathering of the 55 and the better motors of the 40), the weight of the lens allows you to carry a lens and a hvl-f20m flash for a little more of than just the 55 ZA (thus the light gathering ability is somewhat nullified between these lenses—no flash is certainly more convenient than flash, but a ~110g flash will provide much more light than the stop that exists between f=2.5 and 1.8 aaaaaaand can fit in your pocket), the size of the 40 G allows me to fit it under my jacket while on a carrying strap in case it rains, actual sealing means I don't have to worry as much about accidental water ingress, physical controls make for a much easier shooting experience, and finally—I always found the 50cm MFD of the 55 to be pretty limiting indoors.

These may matter to you or they may not. I don't think for instance I'd be particularly worried about sealing on a portrait lens I use for maybe ~15% of the time, but I value it much more on a good standard prime.



Aug 08, 2021 at 12:04 PM
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p.7 #16 · Sony FE 40/2.5 G - A little darling. Samples and opinions welcome!


I've been contemplating getting a used RX1R II or an A7c + this lens. Even though the 35mm 2.8 ZA is smaller, this looks better!


Aug 19, 2021 at 10:23 PM
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Nice lens but not probably the best for this kind of shooting [my first post here]



Not sure the colors are good...



Aug 21, 2021 at 02:37 PM
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AlexLF wrote:
Nice lens but not probably the best for this kind of shooting [my first post here]
Not sure the colors are good...


Looks great to me! I don't think more bokeh would help this image, looks very appropriate.



Aug 21, 2021 at 03:02 PM
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I'm enjoying the 40mm as well. Nice travel lens.

Any of you with the 40mm also own the 50mm 2.5?

I slightly prefer the 50mm focal length to 35mm, yet needed a slightly wider lens for video hence picked up the 40mm. But I'm considering picking up the 50mm as well and wanted to get others' thoughts on whether the 40 and 50 are too close to make this worthwhile.



Aug 23, 2021 at 10:10 AM
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jc75 wrote:
I'm enjoying the 40mm as well. Nice travel lens.

Any of you with the 40mm also own the 50mm 2.5?

I slightly prefer the 50mm focal length to 35mm, yet needed a slightly wider lens for video hence picked up the 40mm. But I'm considering picking up the 50mm as well and wanted to get others' thoughts on whether the 40 and 50 are too close to make this worthwhile.


Maybe pick up the 55/1.8 instead? A bit more different from the 40G and faster too for not much larger.



Aug 23, 2021 at 11:57 AM
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