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My left eye clouded suddenly. Scared me to death. I had cataracts but they were minor. They did the surgery and it took about 2 or3 weeks for my eye to focus. When they did my right eye it focused a few days after. Both eyes are set for distance vision and I use glasses for reading. Now the only problem is occasional floaters that are now visible. Being diabetic I get eye exams annually. I hate the diolation because light actually hurts. Now they do eye exams without diilation using an instrument developed by Nikon. AFAIK it is used
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I used to work for Optos. Great technology and rather popular here in the US.

The inventor - Douglas Anderson is a brilliant man from Scotland that came up with the ultrawidefield imaging concept as a result of his son suffering a retinal detachment that went undiagnosed.

Nikon purchased Optos a few years back but they did not invent the technology.

Technically speaking the Optomap exam shouldn't be considered a replacement for dilation. It is more of a roadmap to a proper dilated fundus examination.

Definitely keep up the annual examinations as diabetic retinopathy is no joke!



Oct 12, 2022 at 06:38 PM
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Thanks for all the input as I got some usable info from this thread before by cataract procedure in May (non-shooting left eye). Been using contact lenses (mostly soft daily) for 20+ years on both eyes. Still maintaining my previous prescriptions before the pandemic. Could only get into in-person check-up early this year and suddenly the left eye had cataract (blurry vision). Opted for single vision distance, similar to my old prescription.

Did BIF photobirding one week after procedure per surgeon's advice using my old contact lens prescription. I was not comfortable as it seemed the implanted lens was not stable during sudden movement (like when looking or surprised by sudden appearance of BIF subjects). It was only after close to 2 months that it felt like it was stable for my BIF needs. I also experienced initially some light flashing in the corner of the left eye which the surgeon said was naturally could occur. No light flashing anymore.

The most interesting experience was on PP/editing. Using the latest and old prescription contact lenses, I can't stand using reading glasses for more than a few minutes - having slight headaches and easy tiredness. No issues for distances/driving or just regular monitor browsing/TV viewing. Without contact lens, no problem with monitor distance view/readings but I usually multi-task monitor (about 1.5 - 2 feet) and the TV (about 15 feet) during PP that I need contact lenses that could work in both situation.

As I was observed to have some astigmatism after the procedure, I was asked to try contact lenses for astigmatism. After two trial sets ending last Monday, my contact lens for astigmatism was finalized and I was happy with it that I started doing now some PP with and w/o reading glasses. Also my latest basic contact lens prescriptions still works. From input from the surgeon and the follow up from the ophthalmologist, it looked like the implant took a while to stabilize in spite of initial feedback of healing taking only one to two weeks.



Oct 12, 2022 at 10:47 PM
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It is now a year since I had both eyes done. Each separately about 2 months apart. It was night and day between the two eyes for those two months. I had astigmatism before but the intraocular lenses have corrected that. I can now read the bottom line on the eye chart for the first time in my life at age 78. How did it effect my photography? I now notice that a lot of my PP was overcooked and I have had to go back and desaturate a lot of images. I also notice that most were also too bright. I have not seen a need to alter the white balance. For the first time I can now discern a difference in sharpness between my 24-105L and some other lenses, but not so much that I don't use it anymore. In hindsight I think I delayed getting my cataracts fixed too long and as they progressed it did affect my post processing quality.


Oct 13, 2022 at 07:20 PM
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Ferrophot wrote:
It is now a year since I had both eyes done. Each separately about 2 months apart. It was night and day between the two eyes for those two months. I had astigmatism before but the intraocular lenses have corrected that. I can now read the bottom line on the eye chart for the first time in my life at age 78. How did it effect my photography? I now notice that a lot of my PP was overcooked and I have had to go back and desaturate a lot of images. I also notice that most were also too
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That sounds like an eye opener. How did you know you had cataract? What were your symptoms?




Oct 16, 2022 at 12:20 PM
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Methodical wrote:
That sounds like an eye opener. How did you know you had cataract? What were your symptoms?



Generally you don't because the onset is gradual. The main symptom is loss of sharpness. there are others but the brain tends to compensate for these. I get my eyes checked once a year and also have a medical once a year. Both detected cataracts and both said I needed to wear glasses in order to drive. Untreated blindness can result.



Oct 16, 2022 at 05:41 PM
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Although untreated, blindness can result, but I couldn't find anything from the NIH, or scientific organization, that says it is irreversible.
Methodical, my clue was that I couldn't get close to 20-20 vision with glasses. My cataracts were not colored, probably because I wore glasses with UV protection since I was a young teenager (a long time ago). So, as I review old photos that I had post processed, I don't see any problems with the color rendition, but I do see where I used too much "clarity" in Lightroom, trying to make the photos less hazy 😆.
It has been over a year since I did my second eye done and I still am amazed at the results. As I mentioned earlier, I had them use single focus lenses set for close focus, since I am really used to glasses for distance. No glasses for reading or using the computer, which I like.
One way they test you is to shine a light at you to see how it affects your vision.



Oct 17, 2022 at 08:32 AM
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Thanks for the feedback^^^^^


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Although untreated, blindness can result, but I couldn't find anything from the NIH, or scientific organization, that says it is irreversible.
Methodical, my clue was that I couldn't get close to 20-20 vision with glasses. My cataracts were not colored, probably because I wore glasses with UV protection since I was a young teenager (a long time ago). So, as I review old photos that I had post processed, I don't see any problems with the color rendition, but I do see where I used too much "clarity" in Lightroom, trying to make the photos less hazy 😆.
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Curious. What type of procedure you have to take care of the Cataracts? What they do? How long was recovery etc.

Thanks...



Oct 22, 2022 at 10:18 PM
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Laser removal of the lens and replacement with a new one. Recovery is quick.


Oct 23, 2022 at 07:33 AM
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My experiences with color and light intensity differences after having lens replacement surgery...

I just had lens replacement done, and I had one eye done at a time, 1 week apart. So, for one week I was able to see the color difference between my OEM eyeball with early stage cataracts and my new, implanted artificial lens. While I was in this state I tried to measure the color differences between my eyes, and I'm writing here to document my perceptions in case it helps someone make medical or photographic decisions. I did a search for "cataracts" on this forum, and this recent thread came up, so I'm appending my experiences here instead of starting a new thread.

My Personal Case of Cataracts:
My cataracts were early stage. I don't know how to quantify this. So, to try to qualify how bad my cataracts were, I'm male (women tend to get worse cataracts, as I understand it), 57, and my cataracts were not considered bad by my eye doctor, by any means. The first time my eye doctor even mentioned me having them was when I was 56, and I had no idea at the time I even had them. As I understand it, everyone gets cataracts to some extent as they age, although not everyone gets them bad enough that it becomes "medically necessary" to have cataract surgery before they pass on. Also, I've worn glasses since middle school, and as long as I can remember eyeglasses have been supplied with UV coating. As I understand it, UV light exposure increases cataracts, so my glasses would reduce my personal UV exposure compared to someone who didn't wear glasses. Moreover, I've been reasonably active in my life, but I don't "live outdoors" -- so, perhaps consider me to be an average case in terms of UV exposure, minus the UV coating on my eyeglasses, for a 57-year-old male. That's me. Your mileage certainly *will* vary.

I had my lens replacement surgery to correct my poor vision. Once you're over about 50 years old, LASIK becomes less viable if you are going to need cataract surgery later anyway -- you can replace the lenses now, correct your vision, never develop cataracts, and you can typically still have LASIK later if you need to make a subsequent vision correction. The new implants I got are focusable by the eye muscles. As I understand it, earlier models (still used) were only focused to a fixed distance.

Testing Procedure:
As of this writing, I am 10 days out from the first eye surgery and 3 days out from the second. It takes about a week for the eye tissue to recover from the surgery and about a month for the brain and body to fully acclimate, so my results herein are not final, and I still have some inflammation even now. I tested the difference between the two eyes 6 days after surgery #1, right before I went in to surgery #2, to maximize acclimation of the first surgery.

I downloaded from Researchgate an image of a standard, 24-color, color reference card, used in a formal study on vision. The EXIF on the image showed the image was shot at 5000k. I loaded this image into dual panes in Capture One on my color corrected OLED laptop. I then alternately covered one eye and attempted to make color adjustments to one of the images in order to make the cataract view look like the implanted lens view. It turns out that this is much more difficult to do accurately than comparing images side-by-side.

Even for my mild case of cataracts, the color difference was dramatic. Cataracts (at least mine) appear dingy and yellow. In order to to make the cataract image pane appear like the implant pane, the adjustments I had to make were:

(a) 5000k (shot) adjusted to 2000k
(b) Tint adjusted -3 (i.e. toward green)
(c) Exposure adjusted +0.25 stop (this was particularly hard to gauge because the pupil instantly adjusts)

The most astonishing thing actually isn't how big the required corrections were, it's how amazing the brain is. It is NOT the case that my entire photo collection is off by 3000k. Instead, within the fraction of a second that it takes for the alternately uncovered eye to lock focus on the screen, the pupil is resizing to give the retina the right amount of light, and the brain is adjusting your internal perception of white balance relative to the other colors on the screen. All this happens so fast and automatically, that precisely nailing the necessary color adjustments by alternating eyes in this way is just about impossible -- at least it's impossible without some special equipment I don't have. (I also don't have Fred's military grade, special ops, cybernetic eyeballs crafted from stolen alien technology salvaged at the Area 51 crash site, but I did the best I humanly could.) My eye doctor says the implanted lens color is the "correct color." When Zeiss sells 80 kinds of optical glass, each with different characteristics, the term "correct color" has a different meaning to the kind of people on this board than it does to the average viewer. So, let's go with the terms "mostly correct" or "way more correct than by looking through cataracts." In any event, there is a dramatic, physical color difference incurred by aging that we don't normally notice because our brains adapts automagically.

Personal Results from Lens Replacement:
Before the procedures, I was developing presbyopia, I had dual astigmatisms, and my corrective lenses were -2.75 and -4.75 (nearsighted). The asymmetry of my two prescriptions was particularly disorienting, and I had slight triple vision in my dominant eye. I couldn't manually focus a camera anymore. I still have over 3 more weeks before I fully recover, fully acclimate, and find out my end results. With that caveat, I went in for post-operative exams the day after each surgery, and so far I tested 20/20 (barely) in one eye and 20/25 (couldn't quite read the 20/20 line) in the other.

I can focus at any distance, except very close. I can read without glasses, although so far it's still easier to read small print with low powered readers (atypically tiny print I can't read unassisted). I perceive a sort of hard stop at a minimum focus distance of about 11", which I hope will improve in time (I have reason to expect it might, applicable only to my case). As it is, closer than 11", things get bigger but not better. Also, there's a known side effect to the focusable implants that (almost?) everyone gets -- halos. It's described to the public as something that applies only to night driving, but what it really is is thin, concentric, diffraction rings visible around point-sources of light -- which is noticeable to most people only while driving at night, but it's present all the time. I'm only an amateur photographers, but I do pay attention to imagery in the way most people probably don't. For example, I saw the halo effect on the specular highlights off a chrome bumper yesterday. I notice the halos most on LED light sources because the emitter is so small. On a wider bulb, the diffraction rings are buried in the diffusion of the source. I had impaired night vision before the procedure, so it's not really worse than it was before, just different. (Holiday lights this year are gonna be psychedelic!) It's not terrible, and I'm told that after a while most people's brains learn to tune out the halo effect over time, but it is a known issue to be aware of before you have the surgery. I think halos only happens with the focusable lenses, but I didn't do a lot of research on the fixed lenses so maybe that's wrong.

This is the first time in decades I can really see well, and without the inconvenience of having to go find a pair of glasses to stick on my face. For me, even if I don't see further improvements in the coming weeks, it's not an exaggeration to say that having the lens implant surgery has been nothing short of life changing.



Nov 18, 2022 at 01:51 PM
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As a person with some visual issues (some cataract development coupled with some retinal problems that I won't detail here) I appreciate your report a great deal.

I also second your point about the adaptability of the human visual system, something I've thought a lot about as I have dealt with my own vision issues. We don't just see with the eyes — we see with the brain, which does remarkable things to process and make sense out of what the eyes see.

One surprise to me was that the things we usually use to define good vision — ability to perceive detail, assess distance, judge color — turn out to not be quite as directly connected to our ability to make photographs as we might assume.

The details of that make for a very long story that I'll share elsewhere at some point.



Nov 18, 2022 at 02:35 PM
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Great writeup Parariss ... but I'm confused exactly what type of IOL you had implanted.

You said: "The new implants I got are focusable by the eye muscles" ... which usually means an Accomodating Lens such as the Crystalens - which I have.

But then later you on talk about diffraction rings and halo side effects ... which usually means a multi-focal lens.

Can you be more specific which it was?
And I assume you got the Toric version to correct for astigmatism ... and/or did you have LRI or other eye-shaping done?



Nov 18, 2022 at 02:49 PM
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Alek Komarnits wrote:
Great writeup Parariss ... but I'm confused exactly what type of IOL you had implanted.

You said: "The new implants I got are focusable by the eye muscles" ... which usually means an Accomodating Lens such as the Crystalens - which I have.

But then later you on talk about diffraction rings and halo side effects ... which usually means a multi-focal lens.

Can you be more specific which it was?
And I assume you got the Toric version to correct for astigmatism ... and/or did you have LRI or other eye-shaping done?


Sorry for the delay; haven't logged in lately.

I got the Clareon Panoptix. I thought the 'wings' on the lens afforded bending of the lens, but maybe that's inaccurate. My implant ID card doesn't say "Toric," but I'm not sure whether it would. No LRI or similar. I was nearsighted with astigmatism. I haven't had my 1 month checkup yet to verify my situation, but my understanding is that if you were a candidate for LASIK beforehand you usually still would be later if you needed additional correction. If so, this could be done later, but it wasn't.

Now, 4-weeks out from the first eye and 3-weeks for the second. I'm still happy. Negatives: Halos only bother me driving at night, but I had night driving issues before, and it's no worse than it was. Supposedly, that's something that can continue to improve for 6 months. We'll see. I've seen a couple of no-prescription eyeglass products that claim to help with this. I plan to ask my doc whether these are gimmicks when I get my 1-month checkup. Also, I can read what I need to just fine, but if I'm sitting down to read, and it's small print, it's easier with low power readers. The (small, skinny, and sometimes low contrast) fine print on product labels and medication packaging inserts are a challenge. Hoping that improves, too. If neither improve, I'm still very happy compared to where I was.



Dec 01, 2022 at 07:41 PM
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I remembered seeing this thread some time ago and I got to thinking about cataract surgery and a camera with eye control AF. Now that Canon has eye AF in the R5ll I would like to ask if anyone that had the surgery has also got a Canon R5ll and tried the AF with eye focus. How did it work? Did it work? Is it safe to use after the surgery?
I have the R5ll and I have cataracts (surgery coming at some point). And I have to say, the eye focus doesn't work very well for me.

This thread was cross posted, don't know if it still is.

Thanks in advance.



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