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bkpix wrote:
Get the surgery. You'll be amazed. Had both eyes done 15 years ago. One of the most shocking things was that brief period between the two. With one eye done and one not, I could switch (by closing one eye at a time) from warm to cool colors instantly


That's exactly what I see now ... another 2 weeks until both are the same



Feb 24, 2021 at 05:27 AM
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Early onset cataracts run in the family here (a number of aunts and uncles had it done around 50-60 yo); mostly the monofucs option and supplementing it with reading glasses if necessary. It's been lifechanging for all of them, especially those that had a crazy presciption before. Thankfully the cost factor isn't an issue here, since health insurance covers it all.
I share the opinion that you might want to stick to proven technologies, and not go for something more cutting edge. Your eyes are essential, and if something does go wrong or the results are less than desirable you could be in a long process to have it fixed/corrected which can quickly become expensive and time-consuming.
Good luck with your choice and I hope they surgery can sort it out for you! It's quite an interesting topic, especially given the older demographic on this forum.



Feb 24, 2021 at 06:08 AM
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Camperjim wrote:
Here is a quick and easy color vision test. As a photographer, you will want to score close to perfect. Cataracts will interfere if they are bad enough:

https://www.xrite.com/hue-test?PageID=77

In any case I would not postpone surgery. If you are close then it is only a matter of time. In my case I went from maybe to definitely needing cataract surgeries on both eyes within about a year.


Scored perfect. 😊




Feb 24, 2021 at 07:49 AM
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kimknapp wrote:
Scored perfect. 😊



Scored perfect as well, hmm... guess I can wait a bit longer



Feb 24, 2021 at 08:44 AM
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p.3 #5 · p.3 #5 · Cataract surgery and photography


Thanks all.
I suspect that since I have worn eyeglasses since I was about 13 and they always had UV protection built in, they have kept me from getting bad cataracts, so far. As a result, I decided to use some more time to evaluate the different options for when I do have cataract surgery.
The doctor felt that the new Alcon Vivity would be perfect for my lifestyle (active, lots of hiking, biking, birding and, of course, photography), but I am finding that they are so new that there is very little result-based news online. There is a long term test being done with exactly the type of info I am interested in, but the report won't be done until later this year.
Marketing literature such as "our tests show that 94% have at least 20/25 vision" just isn't good enough.
As I mentioned in my first post, these are not multi-focus lenses, with potential halo issues. Instead, they are extended depth of field lenses, but they won't say how they work.
At 72 and having worked in technology my whole life, I know how easy it is to get burned by the "latest thing", hence I am happy to wait a bit longer, especially since my cataract are very mild and those lenses sound interesting.

Kim



Feb 24, 2021 at 10:08 AM
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REF: "... but they won't say how they work." The following link may help depending on how optics-oriented your work in technology was: https://eyewiki.aao.org/Presbyopia-correcting_IOLs

This has been an interesting discussion. It got me to refresh my practicing clinician but very outdated knowledge of the treatment of cataracts and a quick DuckDuckGo search led me to the link cited above. I'm 71, not yet having any significant age-related cataract problem. But from this review, I'll be watching the progress with accommodative IOLs. That is the technology that mimics the eye's physiological focusing mechanism, rather than the other solutions that are intra-ocular, technological applications of the same methodology used since the time of Benjamin Franklin.



Feb 24, 2021 at 02:44 PM
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I did find a simplified explanation about how Alcon's Vivity works.
Thanks for the link, interesting.

There is a study in progress on the Vivity that is supposed to end in July. I can wait for that.



Feb 24, 2021 at 04:12 PM
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kimknapp wrote:
I did find a simplified explanation about how Alcon's Vivity works.
Thanks for the link, interesting.

There is a study in progress on the Vivity that is supposed to end in July. I can wait for that.


I looked at the Alcon Vivity site and to me it appears to be a multi element multi focal lens where they say ”two smooth surface transition elements that work simultaneously to stretch and shift light without splitting it.” and “A slightly elevated smooth plateau that is about 1 micron in height, which helps stretch the focal range”. On an animated image it shows 2 elements cemented on/or encapsulated within the main body of the implantable lens that overall simulates a gradient-index (Refractive index) optic.

These types of lenses work by stacking different focus distant images on top of each other that in turn is interpreted by a person’s Visual Neural Adaptation (your brain) that sort of blocks out and ignores out of focus imaging while recognizing the sharp parts of the stacked layers in-focus detail.

Perhaps the difference that sets this lens apart from others is by going further with reducing optical artifacts to make things easier for ones brain to clean up and sort out the image as compared to other types of multi focal implantable lenses like the Diffractive technology that the Alcon Vivity lens is purported by them to replace.



Moving on:

My right eye had gotten bad enough where I had to switch to my left side to manually focus my DSLR which of course was inconvenient to say the least.

I reached a point where even though the cataract in my right eye was not interfering much with driving as my left eye was good, while knowing that this can be fixed, I felt that it should be fixed. Finally, when I was getting fed-up with the situation ~4 years ago, my upcoming New Year’s resolution was to get my right eye fixed however California DMV beat me to it by my choice. I’ll explain, I could have just renewed my Driver’s License by mail with a small fee however I wanted the get the newfangled “Real ID” version that required applicants to show-up in person with a bunch of documents that prove I was born in order to acquire that version of license. Basic logic suggested to me that they would likely check my vision and perhaps administer their written multiple guess test if I showed-up there in person to renew. Knowing that I would totally and thoroughly fail the DMV eye chart and their next step additional optical test on my right eye I finally gave in a few weeks before the chorus of Auld Lang Syne sounded off. I did a refresh study-up for the multiple choice/guess test before going in. It turns out they only did the eye test whereupon , in spite of my remaining good eye, I was summarily declared legally blind in the right eye demanding some type of medical resolution in order to complete my license renewal process. Since it was obviously fixable my decision was very easy since I . . . like . . . to . . . drive. Note that if whatever is wrong with one eye is not correctable in any way still leaving you with one good eye will they will go ahead and renew your license.

I had laser assisted cataract surgery with a Toric implant tuned for distance in my right eye only about 4 years ago. I decided to avoid the new high-tech optical wonders available back then so I don’t have any opinion as to which is better since I didn’t test drive them for a comparison however I am happy with my result. Hmm, Ignorance is bliss? The surgery was a breeze with a quick recovery! The end result is 20/20 for distance in that naked eye augmented by the existing somewhat near sightedness of my left eye which helps with the close vision somewhat. If/when I get the left eye done I plan to leave it as close focusing to some degree TBD then as this is what I’m already used to or go with a future established focus accommodating version.

My ophthalmologist said he could see a minor indication of a cataract in my left eye however surgery was not needed at that time and added that it may never need it. Never say never as I’m starting to see faint symptoms in my left eye that resembles what I first noticed on the right side ~8 years or so ago when I knew I was in the very early stage of cataract development.

I put off my surgery for as long as I could and now that I’ve had it done I agree with others that I should have not waited so long. The morning after the surgery I woke up early, jumped out of bed and removed the protective eye cover and went for a walk, inside and outside the house, while first covering one eye then switching to the other with my hand for comparison. I was completely blown away by the result.

I will not let my left eye get as bad before doing something about it.

I’ve had glasses for distance in the past however rarely used them as my prescription was weak. I’ve used close-up/desk/ reading glasses for half of my life and still use them which is a must as I’m miserable if I can’t find them thus I usually keep an old pair as backup. After the cataract surgery I didn’t bother getting distance glasses since the left eye prescription is minor and the new right lens would be plano (PL/no correction).

For photography my right eye is now better while focusing manually then it ever was. I feel that this would be the case regardless if I was correcting for distance or close vision since my camera has dioptric adjustment.

I had several of the predicable minor visual side effects of post cataract surgery like peripheral reflections, image jitter and dryness of that eye that either went away completely or my brain learned to ignore all in a matter of a few months.

As a side note, you’re doing the right thing by thoroughly researching your choices to arrive at the right decision for you. When it comes down to the type of lens, method of surgery, if/when you use eye glasses, cost and perhaps other medical considerations the right choice is subjective to your needs as to what’s important to you along with the guidance of your doctor(s).



Feb 24, 2021 at 05:43 PM
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Had cataract surgery a year or so ago. Right before my vision was not terrible (20/50'ish), but slowly deteriorating over the years. I opted for both lenses to service object far away, as I wore reading glasses before. I figured I could just continue to use them. In addition I didn't want to lose the distance estimation faculty.

All in all it all worked out well. Having to use glasses to read as well as anything close up required getting used to; a good solution was keeping a pair of reading glasses all around the house, and easy to pick up when needed.

I find picture taking different from what it was; it is way easier to look through the view finder without glasses, but in order to see the LCD I need my reading glasses. The solution that seems to work for me is a pair of half lens readers, where the bottom half holds the lens, while there is nothing above. Best of both worlds? Maybe, maybe not....YMMV.

I just wish there was a way to keep the LCD off unless I want to look at it.....

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Feb 24, 2021 at 07:20 PM
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Sometimes I use the EVF in lieu of reading glasses for viewing the menu system.


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bjornthun wrote:
Sometimes I use the EVF in lieu of reading glasses for viewing the menu system.


I do this often.People keep wondering why I am taking photos of them when I am really just looking at the menu or reviewing photos.




Feb 25, 2021 at 08:55 AM
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I am getting in on this thread late even though I read the initial reponses.
I have had 4 retina tears in my left eye( 2 within 1 week and the following after 30 days)....luckily my "closed" eye for the viewfinder.

I have to admit that I rely on the AF beep to help confirm the shot is in focus.

I do NOT use Live Focus. Just me..

Those dslrs I have that allow the viewfinder focus adjustment I do do that.

My wife has macular degeneration and gets a shot in her eye every 5 weeks. The lenses that she had inserted for the m.d. have corrected her cataract problem.

Get the surgery!!!! Loosing your eyesight or having it degraded to the point that you can't distinguish between in focus and not should be concerning.

My closeup vision is great!

But please get your eyes looked at and to the point that you are happy with the results...as much as you can.
Good luck!
Dan



Feb 25, 2021 at 09:23 AM
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Thanks Dan.
Don't worry, it is not the question of whether to get the surgery. Luckily, I have the luxury to spend some time researching for best results.



Feb 25, 2021 at 10:03 AM
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I had a cataract in one eye done (long story re torn retina surgery etc.) my biggest issue is that the color balance between the eyes is different. If the left is correct, the right leans towards the yellows. If the right is correct, the left leans towards the blue/green.
The Doc says this is because the right eye lens is old (73 yrs old ) and has yellowed.
When doing critical stuff in LR I have to be careful with the hue controls.



Mar 02, 2021 at 10:20 AM
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Your lens yellows with age is what I was told. After my surgery, the richness of the blues amazed me. I not sure exactly but I think they set the yellow of the implant to match the average 21 year old.


Mar 02, 2021 at 11:17 AM
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I'm 70 and had both eyes done a few years ago (opted to do them at the same time to get it over with in minimum amount of time - worked out fine). I'm also a retired MD (radiologist), so I have a bit of insight into how things work in medical practice. Unfortunately, I'm obliged to say that opthalmologists in fee for service private practice have a financial incentive to sell you on the fancier, more complex solutions because they make more money when they do so, and not all physicians are completely altruistic. So, caveat emptor applies in this setting just as it does when shopping for anything else.

I love tech and am always interested in the latest and greatest toys, but when it comes to my body I like to keep things simple and reliable as possible. Complex solutions might sound appealing, but they also carry a higher probability of failure at some point down the road. And they are significantly more expensive.

I opted to go with the most basic solution: fixed focus lenses bilaterally. My personal choice was to opt for distance vision, which requires that I use reading glasses for computer work and reading. This choice has worked out fine for me. I am very happy. YMMV.




Mar 02, 2021 at 11:38 AM
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Long-time FM member who is mostly just an occasional lurker these days.

I had cataract surgery almost a decade ago and have a complete writeup that talks about a lot of this issues discussed here. Yes, technology has improved in the last decade (especially with multi-focal/extended focus IOL's and femtosecond lasers becoming more mainstream) but a lot of it comes down to basic optics. A pretty wild recent development is light-adjusting IOL's where they do some post-op "tuning" of the lens.

Read (a LOT!) more here.
alek
P.S. Don't underestimate (as others have said) how much brighter and more colorful the world will look after the yellowing natural lens is removed. Even at age 48, it was a significant difference. And as one person pointed out, be sure to do some "testing" after the first surgery between the new/old eye.

P.S. And yes, if you ever wanted to see into the UV spectrum, that is possible after cataract surgery ... although many of the lens are blue-blockers. Read more here from "Captain UV"





Mar 02, 2021 at 04:56 PM
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There is no non-surgical treatment for cataracts that validated by the FDA or other government medical service departments. Recently my friend has done the surgery when he noticed the symptoms, So he consulted an eye specialist and he suggested the smile laser surgery https://www.clearviewinstitute.com/treatments/relex-smile/ for cataract. I was with him when he had done the surgery. His vision was blurry for a few days after the surgery, but within a week it was back to normal. He was better after three days of surgery, but it took two months to get the real benefit from the procedure. He felt the difference after one month and now he is very satisfied with the result.


Jun 11, 2021 at 06:07 AM
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Got cataract surgery about 4 years ago after problems with haze around artificial lights at night. Driving was a chore and I had to get my glasses RX changed a couple of times a year. I'm delighted that I did it. From the patient's point of view the surgery is simple and usually goes well. I was amazed at the change in colors, I had a yellow cast that disappeared after the surgery. The worst part was having one eye done but waiting for the second operation. Just this year I had to have a laser procedure for what are called "secondary cataracts" where the capsule surrounding the eye gets cloudy. The laser makes a hole in the capsule and you then see clearly again. I am delighted with the surgery, and there are new innovations in the lenses that your doctor can advise on. I got lenses for distance vision and wear glasses for near vision. It was a miracle to be able to see distances clearly without glasses after a lifetime of nearsightedness.


Jun 11, 2021 at 09:47 AM
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Great post! Thank you OP.
However, it should be renamed the Mr Magoo post.



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