tsdevine wrote:
Sort of expecting pre order links here in the US soon, how long does it usually take after announcement?
Usually we will see Voigtlander samples first. Then I see @Juha Kannisto's first images showing beautiful Tokyo (), and only then, pre-orders start at CameraQuest. (before all other stores in the US)
And finally, money flowing out of our wallets.....
Thanks Fred, definitely ordering this one. For CV I always keep my eye out for the email from Stephen.
Fred Miranda wrote:
Usually we will see Voigtlander sample images first. Then I see Juha's samples showing beautiful Tokyo (), and only then, pre-orders start at CameraQuest. (before all other stores in the US)
Fred Miranda wrote:
Usually we will see Voigtlander samples first. Then I see @Juha Kannisto@'s first images showing beautiful Tokyo (), and only then, pre-orders start at CameraQuest. (before all other stores in the US)
Thanks Fred
Cosina is expected to release a new 2021 product catalog soon as they have usually done that in February (usually in time for CP+ but this time Cosina are not participating in the online only 2021 CP+) and I expect they might publish sample images around the same time when their new catalog gets released on their website, or alternatively they may add sample photos for these new lenses at the same time when they announce the official release dates (typically 2-4 weeks prior to release).
Fred Miranda wrote:
There is also the great Sigma 35/2 DG DN. It will be confusing for sure.
Three very recent and it looks like great options in the 35 f/1.4 GM, Sigma 35 f/2 DN, and CV 35 f/2 APO. These nicely add to the wonderful f/1.2 options from Sigma and CV, and the f/2.8 choices that have been around for awhile including the Sony/Zeiss 35 f/2.8 provide a huge amount of choice at 35mm, I think at this point with 35mm lenses you have to decide how many you want first and foremost. Are you happy with just one? Do you want two? Can you justify 3? And I think that decision is partly how much you like the focal length. I know for myself these new quality options mean I will probably get 2 or 3 35mm lenses in the next year or so.
I’m thinking I might have to. After picking up the 50 APO, I just love the handling and form factor of that lens, and of course the colors it produces. It would complement the 35 GM well, and would be a total indulgence.
Justin Stone wrote:
Has anyone asked who is getting both the GM and the CV? Seems like the ultimate indulgence especially at 35mm.
I wonder how much of an improvement this lens will be over the 35mm F2 Ultron. The size difference is great and an APO corrected lens at such a short focal length isn't really necessary. Would be fun to see comparisons as differences are more likely due to lens design, not APO correction. I have the 35mm ASPH summicron which is a tiny lens with nice results.
Joel
Steve Spencer wrote:
Three very recent and it looks like great options in the 35 f/1.4 GM, Sigma 35 f/2 DN, and CV 35 f/2 APO. These nicely add to the wonderful f/1.2 options from Sigma and CV, and the f/2.8 choices that have been around for awhile including the Sony/Zeiss 35 f/2.8 provide a huge amount of choice at 35mm, I think at this point with 35mm lenses you have to decide how many you want first and foremost. Are you happy with just one? Do you want two? Can you justify 3? And I think that decision is partly how much you like the focal length. I know for myself these new quality options mean I will probably get 2 or 3 35mm lenses in the next year or so....Show more →
Interesting, made me think as I have 1, will soon have 2, and am considering 3 35mm lenses....as I am a prime guy.
Have and love the 35mm f2.8ZA lens since I started with Sony 2-1/2 years ago. It and the 55mm f1.8ZA are my "wife kit" and go with me anytime her and I walk out the door. She is not interested in the background blur, any technical aspects or waiting for me to MF, she just wants high quality photos or her and her friends, documenting where she was. Set the lens to f4 or f5.6 and it is the perfect lens for this, being so small and non-intimidating, that allows me to quickly capture great photos without much bother or dealing with a lot of gear.
For my portrait photography, the reason I bought into Sony was its excellent Eye AF, I am looking for a faster 35mm AF lens with great rendering. Mostly I shoot with the Basis 85 and Batis 135 lenses, but documentary style photographs are the thing right now and I feel the new 35mm f1.4 GM will be perfect for this. Had the 24GM and while a great lens, it was just too wide for this, so I sold it. With the 35mm GM, the 2 Batis's, and my Sony 20mm F1.8G for background or behind the scenes shots, these 4 lenses make for a great portrait kit, all being the same 67mm filter size. If I felt I needed at 50mm FOV, with my A7RIII I would shoot the 35mm GM in the crop mode to get a 52.5mm. I do this with the Batis 135mm to get a 200mm FOV all the time and am very happy with the results.
But for my own personal time lenses, my C/V 21mm f3.5 lens is lonely and wants a big brother. The new 35mm f2 APO seems a perfect companion, as I like what I have seen out of the 50mm APO, but want a wider version. The C/V 21 and 35mm APO would be great for now, but hopefully a C/V 75mm f1.5 E mount option is announced and these 3 would be my idea of a perfect lightweight 3 lens MF kit.
I'm hoping the Voigtlander 35mm f/2 APO-Lanthar will have stronger flare resistance compared to the Sigma 35/2 DG DN. The latter is resistant to veiling but it's very hard to avoid ghosting blobs in backlit scenes.
'APO corrected lens at such a short focal length isn't really necessary'
Maybe so. We are about to find out for the first time unless you've been lucky enough to use an Otus 28/1.4 or Leica's SL 35/2. The appeal will not just be the high correction. One of the surprises in the 50/2 was how unaggressive and colourful it is, how it worked with the light. Lol at the 'wife kit' description, a common syndrome.
obwohl wrote:
What do you think will be the main differences between an Ultron 1.7 with pcx and the Apo Lanthar ?
The CVM 35 f/1.7 is fairly hard to set up so that it reaches infinity focus with a PCX lens. You have to try a fair number of adapters to get one thin enough and then you may need to shim. If you have a lens that works well with the PCX and an adapter, the CV 35 f/2 APO will obviously have EXIF data and convey distance information for 5-axis IBIS and better image stabilization. So the CV 35 f/2 APO on the simple stuff of mounting easily and working well with the camera will have a clear advantage. If that matters to you, then that may be most important.
Optically, I expect the CV 35 AL (APO Lanthar) to both be a bit sharper across the frame and to have better control of CA and especially axial CA. I don't know about rendering.. Nehimiahphoto did a recent blind test of 35mm lenses and I was surprised the CVM 35 f/1.7 didn't do that great. Sill it might have a better rendering. The CV 35 f/2 AL will also have a round aperture at not only f/2, but f/2.8 and f/5.6 as well. An aperture blade design I really like. I would not be surprised if the CVM 35 f/1.7 had better bokeh in transition zones from sharp to unsharp and of course it is a half stop faster.
VM35/1.7 vs. VM35/2 APO is also of great interest to me, though for use on Leica M where of course the PCX is not needed.
My guess is the APO will be sharper across the frame wide open and there will probably be minimal difference by f/4-5.6. Possibly some color and fringing improvement with the APO, but not sure how noticeable it will be. AFAIK Cosina hasn't published MTFs for the 35/1.7, so it will be difficult to estimate how they differ in terms of both sharpness and also rendering before people can compare both in actual use.
Looking at the specs for both VM models and the APO is about 7mm longer and only a few mm wider, but the 35/1.7 is already quite long for a rangefinder 35mm design.
I think for E mount users, the convenience of the APO in E mount is significant and plugs the gap that the kludge solution of PCX on the 35/1.7 never really could.
After this, I'd be really, really surprised if Cosina didn't release a 28mm of some kind as their next wide lens. But they could taunt us with a 24/25 instead given their most recent offering at that focal length is ancient.
1joel1 wrote:
I wonder how much of an improvement this lens will be over the 35mm F2 Ultron. The size difference is great and an APO corrected lens at such a short focal length isn't really necessary. Would be fun to see comparisons as differences are more likely due to lens design, not APO correction. I have the 35mm ASPH summicron which is a tiny lens with nice results.
Joel
I looked into the f/2 Ultron for use on Leica M back when it was released. Based on other people's sample photos, it seemed to behave fairly classically, in that it gradually improved across-frame performance on stopping down and was pretty good by f/4ish. You're right that its compact size is very attractive and my feeling is if you don't require absolute across-frame performance wide open and are fine with stopping down to around f/5.6, it should work well as a very small option at 35mm. Where some might be dissuaded is its relatively active/busy background bokeh as well as potentially funky focus transition character in challenging scenes. Given you already have the 35 Cron ASPH, I'm not sure the Ultron will be much of an improvement, if any, other than possibly getting you some money back to spend elsewhere. Lack of 6-bit coding will also be an inconvenience, IMO.
For lens designers, APO correction is not about the last iota in colour correction so much as the big boost in microcontrast it delivers. Many existing non-APO lenses have very good correction, and even APO lenses require lateral CA removal in post.
“If you want to have such a high contrast, you need to apply apochromatic correction. It’s very important”
- Peter Karbe
Cosina allowed the weight to rise to around 300 grams in both 35/2 and 50/2 VM APOs to achieve this result in these technical lenses. If it's released before the new 35/2 APO-Summicron-M lens, it's reasonable to expect the 35/2 APO VM lens to be superior technically to anything that has been mounted on an M camera before at this focal length.
The new APO-Summicron-M 35/2 will be very interesting. We'll see two new 35/2 APO lenses in a 2020 arms race on M mount. Both these elite makers have chosen this direction (APO) for their technical lenses.
), and only then, pre-orders start at CameraQuest. (before all other stores in the US)