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p.11 #1 · Sigma Image Thread


I am still very much waiting for a very compact 70-150/4 or 70-200/4 from Sigma. Like their recently released 28-70. I'd love that lens from them specifically. AF or MF is just fine. I-series or DG DN is just fine as well.


Aug 25, 2022 at 10:13 PM
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p.11 #2 · Sigma Image Thread


Does anyone know if all Sigma I Series lenses were created with the same intent? I read the article on how the Sigma 45i was designed, and was wondering if that held across the series.


Aug 29, 2022 at 06:59 AM
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Victor Santos wrote:
Does anyone know if all Sigma I Series lenses were created with the same intent? I read the article on how the Sigma 45i was designed, and was wondering if that held across the series.


I think 45i is a unique lens and one of its kind. Sigma repurposed the I series as an alternative to compact G lenses and that’s what other lenses are in the series. The rest of the lenses in I series might not be as cool as 45i, but at least all of them have a functional autofocus system.



Aug 29, 2022 at 07:48 AM
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p.11 #4 · Sigma Image Thread


nehemiahphoto wrote:
I am still very much waiting for a very compact 70-150/4 or 70-200/4 from Sigma. Like their recently released 28-70. I'd love that lens from them specifically. AF or MF is just fine. I-series or DG DN is just fine as well.


I don't know if we will see such a lens, although I think it would be a great idea. Interestingly, Sigma has not made a 70-200 either f/2.8 or f/4 for the L mount yet instead leaving these lenses to Panasonic which has made both. They did make a 70-200 f/2.8 for Canon and Nikon DSLR mounts, but never made a 70-200 f/4 for any of the DSLR mounts. Given that history and that they would have to compete with the lenses from Panasonic on L mount and with the small for what it is and quite good Tamron 70-180 f/2.8 (as well as the native Sony lenses) on E mount, I can understand why Sigma doesn't see much opportunity for this type of lens.

I think they will eventually make a small (i.e., C or consumer series) 70-200 (or 70-180) f/2.8 to complete their C f/2.8 trinity, but I would expect a larger (i.e., A or Art series) 70-200 f/2.8 first. I don't know if we will ever see a 70-200 f/4 (or 70-150 f/4) from Sigma. These lenses don't seem to sell as well anymore and I am not sure why. Sony makes a 70-200 f/4 G, but I have never heard any one discuss this lens or heard of anyone who owns it. Nikon always had such a lens for their DSLRs, for example, but don't have anything like that even on their roadmap. On the bright side Canon did make a new 70-200 f/4 for their mirrorless mount and kept it under 700g and by all accounts it is a very nice lens.

By the way DG DN from Sigma just means designed for mirrorless and just DG means designed for DSLR and they just switched the mount, so it is the DN that differentiates and all lenses designed for mirrorless, i-series, art series, contemporary series, and sports series are designated as DG DN. As I understand it the I-series is just the small primes 20 f/2, 24 f/2, 24 f/3.5, 35 f/2, 45 f/2.8, 65 f/2, and 90 f/2.8. The small zooms 16-28 f/2.8 and 28-70 f/2.8 are contemporary series, and the larger zooms 14-24 f/2.8, 24-70 f/2.8 are Art series, and the 150-600 f/5.6-6.3 comes in both contemporary series and sports series. I think this naming is all a bit of a mess but Sigma has always had trouble differentiating their different lines. Looking at the contemporary series there is a gap between 70 and 150, so perhaps there is some hope Sigma might fill that gap with a 70-150 f/4, but I think it is a lot more likely to be a 70-180 (or 70-200) f/2.8 that is just designed to be as small and light as possible.



Aug 29, 2022 at 07:59 AM
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p.11 #5 · Sigma Image Thread


I think there is some carry over from the 45I to the rest of the I series. They(other I's) are much more closely related to the 45I than the Sony Compact G series. I have had the smaller 24 and the 65 and find there is a lot of common ground with attention to detail in boke and rendering.


Aug 29, 2022 at 11:51 AM
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Steve Spencer wrote:
I don't know if we will see such a lens, although I think it would be a great idea. Interestingly, Sigma has not made a 70-200 either f/2.8 or f/4 for the L mount yet instead leaving these lenses to Panasonic which has made both. They did make a 70-200 f/2.8 for Canon and Nikon DSLR mounts, but never made a 70-200 f/4 for any of the DSLR mounts. Given that history and that they would have to compete with the lenses from Panasonic on L mount and with the small for what it is and quite good Tamron
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I am not sure either. I had hopes Tamron would make one in the vein of the 70-180/2.8, especially given how successful it seems to have been (I hear, but have never seen sale numbers). As more time passes, it seems they may not. I would prefer this option from Sigma over Tamron anyway (I like the overall structural rendering, colors and contrast and handling of Sigma's more generally). Canon put out their superb collapsible RF 70-200/4, and Sony put on a 70-200/4G relatively quickly with e-mount, so at least it's on maker's radar. And nearly all had one in DSLR mounts.

I wasn't sure what Sigma's branding was, but as you've outlined, that makes sense. I do like the i-series have a dedicated aperture ring. Their new 28-70/2.8 sadly does not, nor the new 16-28 DG DN, and even the 12-24 Art doesn't. I would be very happy with 70-150 or 70-180 or 70-200 as long as compact size with strong, good rendering and flare resistance are good.



Aug 29, 2022 at 12:29 PM
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ramesesthe2nd wrote:
I think 45i is a unique lens and one of its kind. Sigma repurposed the I series as an alternative to compact G lenses and that’s what other lenses are in the series. The rest of the lenses in I series might not be as cool as 45i, but at least all of them have a functional autofocus system.



What is the difference/are the differences between the 45 and the 65? I thought they are of the same series and therefore the same (except for focal length and aperture of course )




Aug 29, 2022 at 12:35 PM
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p.11 #8 · Sigma Image Thread


Both have beautiful boke in my book but the 65 is bigger, faster and super sharp. The 45 is more niche in that it's tiny and has a glow wide open.


Aug 29, 2022 at 12:53 PM
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zeitlos wrote:
What is the difference/are the differences between the 45 and the 65? I thought they are of the same series and therefore the same (except for focal length and aperture of course )



I have not shot the 65/2, so can't comment on it. But the 45 was designed with intention to have nice rendering and bokeh. It has quite heavily undercorrected SA which makes for a the lovely bokeh, but also for poor AF-C AF and for quite 'glowy' close focus at f/2.8. I don't think the 65 shares these traits. I'm currently deciding between the 85 Art and 65 i, so if I get the 65, maybe I'll do a comparison shootout.

EDIT: I should note that the 'glow' is at less than a meter, or even closer. At mid to infinity, the 45 is sharp corner to corner, basically from wide open. It's a very nice dual purpose lens in that respect.



Aug 29, 2022 at 12:53 PM
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p.11 #10 · Sigma Image Thread



I find the 65/2's bokeh beautiful, albeit not quite as soft as the 45i. It also has less cats eye than other smallish lenses near its focal length.



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p.11 #11 · Sigma Image Thread


The 65 is one of my favorites, though I am sure the 85 Art is spectacular. The 65 is my 50 in that it seems to be that type of lens for me, not sure if that give you perspective.


Aug 29, 2022 at 01:10 PM
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p.11 #12 · Sigma Image Thread


I have the CV 50 APO, and I do mainly landscape photography, so the 65i gets crowded out a little more than it deserves. It would be my 50'ish though for anything that I was looking for bokeh and great rendering.

I love the size of it, relative to how it performs, as well.

MARKFER wrote:
The 65 is one of my favorites, though I am sure the 85 Art is spectacular. The 65 is my 50 in that it seems to be that type of lens for me, not sure if that give you perspective.




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Aug 29, 2022 at 01:18 PM
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p.11 #13 · Sigma Image Thread


MARKFER wrote:
The 65 is one of my favorites, though I am sure the 85 Art is spectacular. The 65 is my 50 in that it seems to be that type of lens for me, not sure if that give you perspective.


I'm leaning toward the 65 at the moment...smaller, cheaper, and I'm interested to shoot with it. I've always preferred short/mid telephotos so I'm, like you, might find that the 65 is my new 50.

I've got the 100 STF which is closer to 85mm, but slow, of course.



Aug 29, 2022 at 01:19 PM
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(Sigma 65i Contemporary)



Aug 29, 2022 at 02:23 PM
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p.11 #15 · Sigma Image Thread


I rented the 65i and loved it, but I couldn't figure out where it lived in my kit. It was a bit tight for general walk around, and if I am going for portraits, I would just use my 85GM. It was kind of a no man's land that I couldn't talk myself into. I keep waiting on them to release a 50mm i series, but nothing so far. I want something faster than the f2.8 of the 45 as that lens left me wanting a bit more bokeh at medium distances.


Aug 29, 2022 at 07:54 PM
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p.11 #16 · Sigma Image Thread


It’s interesting because I love this focal length. For portrait I find it more versatile then a 85mm lens. Especially indoors, but not only. Instead of the 85 I use the 65. instead of an 135 I use the Sugma 105 1.4.
I had 85 1.4 lenses (Samyang and Sony GM) and the Sony 135 1.8 before. I feel more comfortable now. The Sigma 65i is also great for travel. And when I want the ultimate performance for planned shootings, I pick the 105 1.4.




Aug 29, 2022 at 09:41 PM
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p.11 #17 · Sigma Image Thread


That 65 is a tricky prospect for me too, but not for its FOV. I adore a 58mm so 65 would surely work OK. But all the images I see from it look almost too clean. Sharp, not harsh, great bokeh, everything checks out on paper, but.. I dunno. Almost too clean. Not a hint of character, in my eyes. As nice as it seems I just can't get excited about it for some reason. For now sticking with the 24/3.5, 45/2.8 and 90/2.8.


Aug 30, 2022 at 03:04 AM
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p.11 #18 · Sigma Image Thread


The Sigma 65 has Sony Gm image quality. AF is good, maybe not GM quality, but the build is every bit as good or better. It's half the price of a GM but is an unusual focal length.


Aug 30, 2022 at 07:20 AM
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p.11 #19 · Sigma Image Thread


The only thing I have to get used to with regards to the 65 – from what I can tell so far – is that it’s on the cooler side. But well, this can be altered in post processing.

However, I absolutely love it’s bokeh! And as mentioned before the focus length. I came from Pentax. For many years (before switching to the FF K1) I shot APS-C. My favorite portrait lens was the FA43 1.9 which basically translated to a 65mm lens then…



Aug 30, 2022 at 07:49 AM
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p.11 #20 · Sigma Image Thread


I just got my hands on a 65mm and I'm blown away. In terms of background rendering, I don't think it falls short of the 45mm. It might have less spherical aberration, but it makes up for it with a wider aperture and less mechanical vignetting.


Aug 31, 2022 at 01:23 PM
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