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JayPhoto1 wrote:
Impressive.



Looks great but the A9 has been able to do that since 2017. Not to mention a few other brand's cameras I've owned.

Still to do that with 50MPs and up to 30FPS on board is right up my alley.



Mar 07, 2021 at 06:46 PM
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Just curious...while this is about settings for focus and BEAF, I happen to notice on one of these Facebook videos they were using highlight metering. Do many people use this? While I understand the purpose is so they won’t blow out their highlights,I’ve found many of my BIF, I’m challenged with the opposite (bird being underexposed). Therefore in many cases I change from multi to center.


I use full manual so I have no idea what my metering mode is even set at

I use a 109+ Zebra setting and the WYSIWYG to have my exposure very close to perfect all the time without much effort.



Mar 07, 2021 at 06:49 PM
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Looked like similar to a female Northern Harrier and if that was the case, Harriers are not fast flier (California observations) and should not be hard to track down even with entry level/slower cameras.
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JayPhoto1 wrote:
Impressive.






Mar 08, 2021 at 02:08 AM
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Mar 08, 2021 at 02:49 AM
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Mar 08, 2021 at 03:20 AM
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arbitrage wrote:
Looks great but the A9 has been able to do that since 2017. Not to mention a few other brand's cameras I've owned.

Still to do that with 50MPs and up to 30FPS on board is right up my alley.


Many expect wonders. I think many will be disappointed with the A1, as there is not the wow moment I had when first using the A9 with E-shutter. The A1 feels and behaves like the A9ii when shooting most of the time, so it depends on the features one needs to make it worth it or not. The whole package of course is class-leading in my opinion.

After using it over the week-end with my wife:

-The A1 is a better camera and if you want the 50MP and approx. 30 fps option there is currently no other camera around.

-I tried my flashes and the flash sync + flash in e-shutter or flicker detection (+adjustment) is a game changer for us.

-Although we did a lot of shooting against the sun and we didn't check all images made, we couldn't see any striping effects due to PD pixels. This phenomenon is a very annoying on the A9, better on the A9ii and not an issue on the A7riv. Seems not to be a thing with the A1, too.

- It is faster to operate, that is definitely a plus at weddings, where this can be critical. We worked around that issue with our bodies so far and try to anticipate what happens constantly, there is less need to do so with the A1. About 1/2s - 0.6s time to wake up from sleep and 0.9-1s after switching it on until I can fire the first shot are welcome (Ariplane mode, no DRO, NR etc. on). An issue for amateurs? Don't think so.

-Operating it during buffering is less of an issue for us, but for BIF/Sports a big improvement. Occasionally we need to use it and it is nice to have. Issue for soccer dads/moms? Likely not.

-There are many small but nice improvements. The dial on top left to change shooting mode is now cylindrical, so you better see the modes. I like it.
Important for us is the eye sensor change, which moved to the bottom of the VF. Less prone to get dirty or when changing from warm to cold or when exhaling with masks, moisture can be easily swiped away. Very cool. The EVF cap seems to be locked in better, too.

-EVF is fantastic, I like the 0.9x magnification. Judging sharpness in EVF (what I do all the time to be not affected by surrounding light) is clearly improved. Colors pop more, too.

-RGB sensor. Under artificial lights colors out of the camera are much more natural. Very nice for weddings.

-eye AF for humans, animals (cats) is clearly improved, no idea about BIF, but seems so (;-)).

-iso performance is very good and close to A9ii, after downsizing I like the files due to the finer grain even better. DR at base iso is clearly better compared to A9ii and close to A7riv. A73 and A7r3 are still better. I don't see any reservation for landscape use at all.

-Lossless compressed means much larger files. About 1950 images fit on a 128 GB SD card (on the A9ii 2490 compressed raw fit on a 64 GB card for comparison).

-Mechanical shutter sound is clearly shorter, quieter than A9ii. I really like it. Absolutely unobtrusive!

So there are many improvements and some absolutely vital or welcome for certain professions. For amateurs I don't see a reason to upgrade from A9ii/A7riv if funds are limited. Otherwise don't hesitate ;-) . It is definitely more fun to use.

For us it is clear that we buy one as intended. My wife is convinced as well. We have still time left, due to Covid most weddings in the first half of the year were postponed and for standard couple or portrait sessions the A7riv/A9ii do the job as well. So time to sell off the A9. I will buy the 35GM however, soon. Absolutely fantastic lens.






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Mar 08, 2021 at 03:47 AM
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Holger wrote:
Many expect wonders. I think many will be disappointed with the A1, as there is not the wow moment I had when first using the A9 with E-shutter. The A1 feels and behaves like the A9ii when shooting most of the time, so it depends on the features one needs to make it worth it or not. The whole package of course is class-leading in my opinion.

After using it over the week-end with my wife:

-The A1 is a better camera and if you want the 50MP and approx. 30 fps option there is currently no other camera around.

-I tried my
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Well said!
I'll add my impressions:
* startup time is closer to 2s if you wait for all indicators to appear (I find it harder to measure the time when I can take the first picture...)
* I didn't really notice siginificant IBIS improvement, probably because it's offset by moving from 24 to 50 mpix (tried my Bigma and I barely got a tack sharp shot with 1/4s).
* battery usage is higher, maybe not exactly by the process of taking pictures, but general usage of the camera. So keeping it on, walking with it, checking EVF, checking LCD, etc... I'd say when I previously would expect 60-70% left, with A1 it's 50-something (I do have high quality EVF on though, which increases power consumption).
* colors are different and since I don't have a working RAW converter yet, I find it a bit hard to match my previous jpeg settings under artificial lighting
* mechanical shutter (though with EFCS only) is indeed nicer but I've already forgotten how it sounds .



Mar 08, 2021 at 07:22 AM
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j4nu wrote:
Well said!
I'll add my impressions:
* startup time is closer to 2s if you wait for all indicators to appear (I find it harder to measure the time when I can take the first picture...)
* I didn't really notice siginificant IBIS improvement, probably because it's offset by moving from 24 to 50 mpix (tried my Bigma and I barely got a tack sharp shot with 1/4s).
* battery usage is higher, maybe not exactly by the process of taking pictures, but general usage of the camera. So keeping it on, walking with it, checking EVF, checking LCD, etc... I'd say when
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"startup time is closer to 2s if you wait for all indicators to appea"
You can shoot earlier already, imo. I only have one viewing option selected for EVF and LCD (histogram). Switching it on at my hip and bringing it to the eye, I can shoot right away with the 35GM. It takes another 1-2 s with the A9ii in comparison. Using the 35/1.2 it is a bit slower, too, as after powering up the lens elements go back and forth before the lens is ready.

I was able to get 1/3s - sometimes 0.5s with the GM without problems.

Mechanical shutter sound and duration is fantastic. Super quiet.

Camera was send back to Sony a few minutes ago. So sad.



Mar 08, 2021 at 07:40 AM
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Holger wrote:
"startup time is closer to 2s if you wait for all indicators to appea"
You can shoot earlier already, imo. I only have one viewing option selected for EVF and LCD (histogram). Switching it on at my hip and bringing it to the eye, I can shoot right away with the 35GM. It takes another 1-2 s with the A9ii in comparison. Using the 35/1.2 it is a bit slower, too, as after powering up the lens elements go back and forth before the lens is ready.

I was able to get 1/3s - sometimes 0.5s with the GM without problems.

Mechanical shutter
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Sure, I just wanted to add my observations, where they differ from yours...



Mar 08, 2021 at 08:08 AM
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Holger wrote:
"startup time is closer to 2s if you wait for all indicators to appea"
You can shoot earlier already, imo. I only have one viewing option selected for EVF and LCD (histogram). Switching it on at my hip and bringing it to the eye, I can shoot right away with the 35GM. It takes another 1-2 s with the A9ii in comparison. Using the 35/1.2 it is a bit slower, too, as after powering up the lens elements go back and forth before the lens is ready.

I was able to get 1/3s - sometimes 0.5s with the GM without problems.

Mechanical shutter
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Hmm, so the time for all overlays to appear is still 1-2 seconds? Then how would you shoot before then? Does the camera focus before AF points appear in the screen?

Thank you for fantastic comments form both of you.

If it's 'close to a9ii' after downsizing I cannot expect too much more crop ability with my current lens (200-600). If I get 400/2.8 I can. But that's not in current plan. One last thing I'll be waiting to see is the BIF performance. With 120 calculations per second (vs 60 on A9?) I expect much better tracking ability for fast flying birds. Will see..




Mar 08, 2021 at 08:50 AM
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Jemini wrote:
Hmm, so the time for all overlays to appear is still 1-2 seconds? Then how would you shoot before then? Does the camera focus before AF points appear in the screen?



On my current Sony cameras the camera will AF before the AF overlay shows up. Although I find the delay in overlays really annoying. I was hoping the A1 would totally eliminate this delay. But I guess it hasn't



Mar 08, 2021 at 09:04 AM
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Jemini wrote:
Hmm, so the time for all overlays to appear is still 1-2 seconds? Then how would you shoot before then? Does the camera focus before AF points appear in the screen?

Thank you for fantastic comments form both of you.

If it's 'close to a9ii' after downsizing I cannot expect too much more crop ability with my current lens (200-600). If I get 400/2.8 I can. But that's not in current plan. One last thing I'll be waiting to see is the BIF performance. With 120 calculations per second (vs 60 on A9?) I expect much better tracking ability for
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AF point is displayed as soon as as the liveview shows up on the screen (as far as I can tell), so you can turn the camera on and press the shutter immediately afterwards. This way I'd say the shot will be taken <1 sec after turning the power knob on (before all indicators are initialized on the screen)...



Mar 08, 2021 at 09:12 AM
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arbitrage wrote:
On my current Sony cameras the camera will AF before the AF overlay shows up. Although I find the delay in overlays really annoying. I was hoping the A1 would totally eliminate this delay. But I guess it hasn't


Please share your real world experience with birds/wildlife if possible (without the 30 minutes or unlimited PSST time). That way we can know how close/far it's from DSLR.



Mar 08, 2021 at 09:31 AM
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j4nu wrote:
AF point is displayed as soon as as the liveview shows up on the screen (as far as I can tell), so you can turn the camera on and press the shutter immediately afterwards. This way I'd say the shot will be taken <1 sec after turning the power knob on (before all indicators are initialized on the screen)...


May be one area where MILC lagging behind DSLR or Sony lagging behind competition?



Mar 08, 2021 at 09:38 AM
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Jemini wrote:
May be one area where MILC lagging behind DSLR or Sony lagging behind competition?


Dunno about competion and I don't want to start a flame war but I think in general MILCs have more electronics (which need at least some time to initialize) in them so they are at an inherent disadvantage in this area compared to DSLRs...



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Jemini wrote:
Hmm, so the time for all overlays to appear is still 1-2 seconds? Then how would you shoot before then? Does the camera focus before AF points appear in the screen?

Thank you for fantastic comments form both of you.

If it's 'close to a9ii' after downsizing I cannot expect too much more crop ability with my current lens (200-600). If I get 400/2.8 I can. But that's not in current plan. One last thing I'll be waiting to see is the BIF performance. With 120 calculations per second (vs 60 on A9?) I expect much better tracking ability for
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Others answered it already. I never pay attention to the overlays and I have switched off all unnecessary stuff anyways, all I need is the histogram. For me time from on to shot is the important measure.

Edit:
Oversampling and lack of AA filter will help for detail. I didn't try that for the A1, but when using the A7riv + NR before downsizing to A9ii, the images still show more acuity and noise is less blotchy. The A1 is a bit better at high iso, too, so A1 should give you better crop ability unless you go to extreme isos.




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j4nu wrote:
Dunno about competion and I don't want to start a flame war but I think in general MILCs have more electronics (which need at least some time to initialize) in them so they are at an inherent disadvantage in this area compared to DSLRs...


"don't want to start a flame war " Me too



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Holger wrote:
Others answered it already. I never pay attention to the overlays and I have switched off all unnecessary stuff anyways, all I need is the histogram. For me time from on to shot is the important measure.

Edit:
Oversampling and lack of AA filter will help for detail. I didn't try that for the A1, but when using the A7riv + NR before downsizing to A9ii, the images still show more acuity and noise is less blotchy. The A1 is a bit better at high iso, too, so A1 should give you better crop ability unless you go to extreme isos.



Sure, it will give some ability to crop, my be not as much as low ISO. I cancelled my pre-order because I didn't see enough for me to spend $6500 right away. But will watch more real world samples (interested only on wildlife) and comments and more trusted reviews. I might still get it especially if I can get some kind of discount before end of the year. I'm in no hurry.



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Jemini wrote:
Sure, it will give some ability to crop, my be not as much as low ISO. I cancelled my pre-order because I didn't see enough for me to spend $6500 right away. But will watch more real world samples (interested only on wildlife) and comments and more trusted reviews. I might still get it especially if I can get some kind of discount before end of the year. I'm in no hurry.


I think that is a wise decision. My wife has a business, so factoring in sales tax and tax deduction the A1 costs us about 3000-4000 Euro over the next few years. We earn money with it, so it pays itself off.
Having now used it, knowing advantages disadvantages of many systems now, I would never spend as much if I were just shooting for fun (but that's me, I am not into wildlife, don't need the 30 fps and AF capabilities). A used A7r3/4 or A9 would be sufficient.
If it is ones hobby and important, just save for it and buy it when a good deal is available. After all, so many of my friends spend fortunes for wine, vacations and cars etc., many things aren't really reasonable after all, it is all about priorities.



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