Archive 2021 · 35mm blind test p.2
p.2 #135mm blind test p.2
abadger wrote:
Scene #1 - I like 1 and 5; and I don't like 2
Scene #2 - I like 5 and I don't like 2
Scene #3 - I like 5 and I don't like 1, 2, 3, or 4
Scene #4 - I like 1 and 5 and I don't like 3 or 4 (for different reason 3 has field curvature that bothers me and 4 has the busiest mid zone)
Scene #5 - I like 5 and I don't like 4 (CA still evident in the corner at f/8)
Here are my guesses for the lenses
1 - Pentax 31 f/1.8 limited
2 - CV 35 f/1.4
3 - Sigma 35 f/2 I-series
4 - Sony 35 f/1.8
5 - CV 35 f/1.2 III
From my scores above it looks like I really like 5 and I basically like 1, but don't think too much of the others.Those are good guesses, but there's a couple lenses you're missing. Also, I just added the last part, which is probably the most tell. Lastly, good job picking different numbers for each set--they are varied, i.e. lens "1" is not lens "1" across series. I'll put that in my first post, I had meant to and spaced.Now I realize you made it a lot harder with randomizing for each set. So here are my preferences again:
Scene #1 - I like 1 and 5; and I don't like 2
Scene #2 - I like 5 and I don't like 2
Scene #3 - I like 5 and I don't like 1, 2, 3, or 4
Scene #4 - I like 5 and I don't like 3 or 4 (for different reason 3 has field curvature that bothers me and 4 has the busiest mid zone)
Scene #5 - I like 5 and I don't like 4 (CA still evident in the corner at f/8)
Scene #6 - I like 3 and I don't like 2 and 4
Now for guess of which lens is which. Some scenes are easier than others.
Scene #1 - I find it hard to pick out lenses for this one so I won't guess them all:
I think 5 is the CV 35 f/1.2 III; I think 2 might be the Sony 35 f/1.8
Scene #2 - I find this the hards scene to pick out the different lenses I won't make any guesses here
Scene #3 - I found this the easiest one because of the obvious differences in aperture blades
1 has a nine bladed aperture and strong flare it seems wide open too as I don't see polygons in the flare. So, a 35 f/2 lens with 9 aperture blades that does handle flare all that well; 2 has a ten bladed aperture and strong veiling flare in the middle of the image. I am guessing this is the CV 35 f/1.4; 3 Like 1 in this series this seems to be a 9 bladed aperture lens with a lot of flare and probably and f/2 aperture; 4 Like 1 and 3 this looks like a lens with a 9 bladed aperture, but this one is stopped down. Still pretty poor flare control. I am guessing this is the Sony 35 f/1.8; 5 This is a 10 aperture bladed lens and I like the flare control here. I am guessing it is the CV 35 f/1.2 III.
Scene #4 - I found these hard to judge because of the size. I definitely like 5 and if I were guessing I would say it is the RX1. Looking again I am not sure I like 1 as the mid zone looks more busy than I initially thought. I think 1 might be the Sony 35 f/1.8. I think 2 may be the Pentax 31 f/1.8 Limited. I am not sure what 3 is but I don't like the field curvature, and I am not sure I dislike 4 as much as I said on my initial evaluation.
Scene #5 - I still think 4 is likely the Sony 35 f/1.8, but I am not sure what any of the others are.
Scene #6 - I do think this scene gives a lot more hints that #4. I think 1 is the CV 35 f/1.4 both because of the center sharpness and the somewhat busy transition. I am stumped by 2, but I know I don't like it much with a bit busy mid zone and background. I think 3 is the RX1 it is lovely. I think 4 is probably the 35 f/1.8. I don't like it much at all. I think 5 is probably the Sigma 35 f/2 I. Finally I would guess 6 is the CV 35 f/1.2 III.Sorry some of the scenes weren't clearly illustrative--on my flickr they are posted larger than FM alllows if that helps. I can post entire photos for the 0.6 bokeh scene 1 as that gives more info if you'd like. I can also tell which lenses were used, or wait. Up to you 
Eh, give it at least 24 hours from posting to give more chances for people to guess.
I want to know RIGHT NOW ... just kidding, wait a bit for others is fine.
nehemiahphoto wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
Here are my picks:Scene #1 - I like 1 and 5; and I don't like 2
Scene #2 - I like 5 and I don't like 2
Scene #3 - I like 5 and I don't like 1, 2, 3, or 4
Scene #4 - I like 1 and 5 and I don't like 3 or 4 (for different reason 3 has field curvature that bothers me and 4 has the busiest mid zone)
Scene #5 - I like 5 and I don't like 4 (CA still evident in the corner at f/8)
Here are my guesses for the lenses
1 - Pentax 31 f/1.8 limited
2 - CV 35 f/1.4
3 - Sigma 35 f/2 I-series
4 - Sony 35 f/1.8
5 - CV 35 f/1.2 III
From my scores above it looks like I really like 5 and I basically like 1, but don't think too much of the others.
Scene #1 - I like 1 and 5; and I don't like 2
Scene #2 - I like 5 and I don't like 2
Scene #3 - I like 5 and I don't like 1, 2, 3, or 4
Scene #4 - I like 5 and I don't like 3 or 4 (for different reason 3 has field curvature that bothers me and 4 has the busiest mid zone)
Scene #5 - I like 5 and I don't like 4 (CA still evident in the corner at f/8)
Scene #6 - I like 3 and I don't like 2 and 4
Now for guess of which lens is which. Some scenes are easier than others.
Scene #1 - I find it hard to pick out lenses for this one so I won't guess them all:
I think 5 is the CV 35 f/1.2 III; I think 2 might be the Sony 35 f/1.8
Scene #2 - I find this the hards scene to pick out the different lenses I won't make any guesses here
Scene #3 - I found this the easiest one because of the obvious differences in aperture blades
1 has a nine bladed aperture and strong flare it seems wide open too as I don't see polygons in the flare. So, a 35 f/2 lens with 9 aperture blades that does handle flare all that well; 2 has a ten bladed aperture and strong veiling flare in the middle of the image. I am guessing this is the CV 35 f/1.4; 3 Like 1 in this series this seems to be a 9 bladed aperture lens with a lot of flare and probably and f/2 aperture; 4 Like 1 and 3 this looks like a lens with a 9 bladed aperture, but this one is stopped down. Still pretty poor flare control. I am guessing this is the Sony 35 f/1.8; 5 This is a 10 aperture bladed lens and I like the flare control here. I am guessing it is the CV 35 f/1.2 III.
Scene #4 - I found these hard to judge because of the size. I definitely like 5 and if I were guessing I would say it is the RX1. Looking again I am not sure I like 1 as the mid zone looks more busy than I initially thought. I think 1 might be the Sony 35 f/1.8. I think 2 may be the Pentax 31 f/1.8 Limited. I am not sure what 3 is but I don't like the field curvature, and I am not sure I dislike 4 as much as I said on my initial evaluation.
Scene #5 - I still think 4 is likely the Sony 35 f/1.8, but I am not sure what any of the others are.
Scene #6 - I do think this scene gives a lot more hints that #4. I think 1 is the CV 35 f/1.4 both because of the center sharpness and the somewhat busy transition. I am stumped by 2, but I know I don't like it much with a bit busy mid zone and background. I think 3 is the RX1 it is lovely. I think 4 is probably the 35 f/1.8. I don't like it much at all. I think 5 is probably the Sigma 35 f/2 I. Finally I would guess 6 is the CV 35 f/1.2 III.
I want to know RIGHT NOW ... just kidding, wait a bit for others is fine.
Jan 31, 2021 at 10:32 PM
p.2 #235mm blind test p.2
nehemiahphoto wrote:
Steve Spencer wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
Here are my picks:Scene #1 - I like 1 and 5; and I don't like 2
Scene #2 - I like 5 and I don't like 2
Scene #3 - I like 5 and I don't like 1, 2, 3, or 4
Scene #4 - I like 1 and 5 and I don't like 3 or 4 (for different reason 3 has field curvature that bothers me and 4 has the busiest mid zone)
Scene #5 - I like 5 and I don't like 4 (CA still evident in the corner at f/8)
Here are my guesses for the lenses
1 - Pentax 31 f/1.8 limited
2 - CV 35 f/1.4
3 - Sigma 35 f/2 I-series
4 - Sony 35 f/1.8
5 - CV 35 f/1.2 III
From my scores above it looks like I really like 5 and I basically like 1, but don't think too much of the others.
Scene #1 - I like 1 and 5; and I don't like 2
Scene #2 - I like 5 and I don't like 2
Scene #3 - I like 5 and I don't like 1, 2, 3, or 4
Scene #4 - I like 5 and I don't like 3 or 4 (for different reason 3 has field curvature that bothers me and 4 has the busiest mid zone)
Scene #5 - I like 5 and I don't like 4 (CA still evident in the corner at f/8)
Scene #6 - I like 3 and I don't like 2 and 4
Now for guess of which lens is which. Some scenes are easier than others.
Scene #1 - I find it hard to pick out lenses for this one so I won't guess them all:
I think 5 is the CV 35 f/1.2 III; I think 2 might be the Sony 35 f/1.8
Scene #2 - I find this the hards scene to pick out the different lenses I won't make any guesses here
Scene #3 - I found this the easiest one because of the obvious differences in aperture blades
1 has a nine bladed aperture and strong flare it seems wide open too as I don't see polygons in the flare. So, a 35 f/2 lens with 9 aperture blades that does handle flare all that well; 2 has a ten bladed aperture and strong veiling flare in the middle of the image. I am guessing this is the CV 35 f/1.4; 3 Like 1 in this series this seems to be a 9 bladed aperture lens with a lot of flare and probably and f/2 aperture; 4 Like 1 and 3 this looks like a lens with a 9 bladed aperture, but this one is stopped down. Still pretty poor flare control. I am guessing this is the Sony 35 f/1.8; 5 This is a 10 aperture bladed lens and I like the flare control here. I am guessing it is the CV 35 f/1.2 III.
Scene #4 - I found these hard to judge because of the size. I definitely like 5 and if I were guessing I would say it is the RX1. Looking again I am not sure I like 1 as the mid zone looks more busy than I initially thought. I think 1 might be the Sony 35 f/1.8. I think 2 may be the Pentax 31 f/1.8 Limited. I am not sure what 3 is but I don't like the field curvature, and I am not sure I dislike 4 as much as I said on my initial evaluation.
Scene #5 - I still think 4 is likely the Sony 35 f/1.8, but I am not sure what any of the others are.
Scene #6 - I do think this scene gives a lot more hints that #4. I think 1 is the CV 35 f/1.4 both because of the center sharpness and the somewhat busy transition. I am stumped by 2, but I know I don't like it much with a bit busy mid zone and background. I think 3 is the RX1 it is lovely. I think 4 is probably the 35 f/1.8. I don't like it much at all. I think 5 is probably the Sigma 35 f/2 I. Finally I would guess 6 is the CV 35 f/1.2 III.
Yes please, we like full sized here
Feb 01, 2021 at 12:30 AM
p.2 #335mm blind test p.2
Don’t disclose early. I am away from computer now. Will take a look later.
Feb 01, 2021 at 01:04 AM
p.2 #435mm blind test p.2
Thanks, this is fun and could be instructive!
1: 4 and 5 favorites, then 3. 2 and 1 least favorite (ugly green blobs in oof area w/ 1)
2: 1 and 5. 2/3/4 not as good
3: 5
4: 4
5: couldn't pick
6: 2 and 6. 4 is worst.
1: 4 and 5 favorites, then 3. 2 and 1 least favorite (ugly green blobs in oof area w/ 1)
2: 1 and 5. 2/3/4 not as good
3: 5
4: 4
5: couldn't pick
6: 2 and 6. 4 is worst.
Feb 01, 2021 at 01:25 AM
p.2 #535mm blind test p.2
Very interesting, thanks for the work and I look forward to the reveal
Feb 01, 2021 at 01:33 AM
p.2 #635mm blind test p.2
Phillip Reeve wrote:
Very interesting, thanks for the work and I look forward to the reveal
You’re welcome—you of all people know what a pain these are to put together! Maybe I’ll hold on the reveal till you give your preferences
Very interesting, thanks for the work and I look forward to the reveal
You’re welcome—you of all people know what a pain these are to put together! Maybe I’ll hold on the reveal till you give your preferences
Feb 01, 2021 at 02:01 AM
p.2 #735mm blind test p.2
nehemiahphoto wrote:
You’re welcome—you of all people know what a pain these are to put together! Maybe I’ll hold on the reveal till you give your preferences
A lot of pain indeed.
Bokeh at 0.6 meters: 5, 4 (good), the rest pretty busy with no clear order
Bokeh/background at 1.2 meters: 5,1, the rest in no particular order
Flare: 4, 5, the rest in no particular order
Bokeh and transition at f2 at 10-12 feet: 1, 4, 5 are mostly smooth, the rest a little nervous but not a big difference overall
F8 with tree (focal point) 12 feet away: 1 and 3 with foreground in focus and background out of focus towards the corners. I prefer the others.
Transition Zone: 3 and 6 ahead, the rest in no particular order
For my preference I would probably weight the different scenes 1: 15%, 2: 45%, 3: 15%, 4: 5%, 5: 10%, 6: 10%
I hope the Sigma 2/35 comes out well, I just bought one yesterday on David's recommendation
Phillip Reeve wrote
Very interesting, thanks for the work and I look forward to the revealA lot of pain indeed.
Bokeh at 0.6 meters: 5, 4 (good), the rest pretty busy with no clear order
Bokeh/background at 1.2 meters: 5,1, the rest in no particular order
Flare: 4, 5, the rest in no particular order
Bokeh and transition at f2 at 10-12 feet: 1, 4, 5 are mostly smooth, the rest a little nervous but not a big difference overall
F8 with tree (focal point) 12 feet away: 1 and 3 with foreground in focus and background out of focus towards the corners. I prefer the others.
Transition Zone: 3 and 6 ahead, the rest in no particular order
For my preference I would probably weight the different scenes 1: 15%, 2: 45%, 3: 15%, 4: 5%, 5: 10%, 6: 10%
I hope the Sigma 2/35 comes out well, I just bought one yesterday on David's recommendation
Feb 01, 2021 at 03:31 AM
p.2 #835mm blind test p.2
Phillip Reeve wrote:
You’re welcome—you of all people know what a pain these are to put together! Maybe I’ll hold on the reveal till you give your preferences A lot of pain indeed.
Bokeh at 0.6 meters: 5, 4 (good), the rest pretty busy with no clear order
Bokeh/background at 1.2 meters: 5,1, the rest in no particular order
Flare: 4, 5, the rest in no particular order
Bokeh and transition at f2 at 10-12 feet: 1, 4, 5 are mostly smooth, the rest a little nervous but not a big difference overall
F8 with tree (focal point) 12 feet away: 1 and 3 with foreground in focus and background out of focus towards the corners. I prefer the others.
Transition Zone: 3 and 6 ahead, the rest in no particular order
For...Show more →
Well, based on one scene in which it did really well against bokeh famous competition, and my report about a few more! More testing to do, though it is super promising, modulo a little swirl and cats eyes in some scenes.
nehemiahphoto wrote
Phillip Reeve wrote
Very interesting, thanks for the work and I look forward to the revealBokeh at 0.6 meters: 5, 4 (good), the rest pretty busy with no clear order
Bokeh/background at 1.2 meters: 5,1, the rest in no particular order
Flare: 4, 5, the rest in no particular order
Bokeh and transition at f2 at 10-12 feet: 1, 4, 5 are mostly smooth, the rest a little nervous but not a big difference overall
F8 with tree (focal point) 12 feet away: 1 and 3 with foreground in focus and background out of focus towards the corners. I prefer the others.
Transition Zone: 3 and 6 ahead, the rest in no particular order
For...Show more →
Well, based on one scene in which it did really well against bokeh famous competition, and my report about a few more! More testing to do, though it is super promising, modulo a little swirl and cats eyes in some scenes.
Feb 01, 2021 at 06:00 AM
p.2 #935mm blind test p.2
DavidBM wrote:
You’re welcome—you of all people know what a pain these are to put together! Maybe I’ll hold on the reveal till you give your preferences A lot of pain indeed.
Bokeh at 0.6 meters: 5, 4 (good), the rest pretty busy with no clear order
Bokeh/background at 1.2 meters: 5,1, the rest in no particular order
Flare: 4, 5, the rest in no particular order
Bokeh and transition at f2 at 10-12 feet: 1, 4, 5 are mostly smooth, the rest a little nervous but not a big difference overall
F8 with tree (focal point) 12 feet away: 1 and 3 with foreground in focus and background out of focus towards the corners. I prefer the others.
Transition Zone: 3 and 6 ahead, the rest in no particular order
For my preference I would probably weight the different scenes 1: 15%, 2: 45%, 3: 15%, 4: 5%, 5: 10%, 6: 10%
I hope the Sigma 2/35 comes out well, I just bought one yesterday on David's recommendationWell, based on one scene in which it did really well against bokeh famous competition, and my report about a few more! More testing to do, though it is super promising, modulo a little swirl and cats eyes in some scenes.
Maybe I didn‘t need much convincing
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Phillip Reeve wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
Phillip Reeve wrote
Very interesting, thanks for the work and I look forward to the revealBokeh at 0.6 meters: 5, 4 (good), the rest pretty busy with no clear order
Bokeh/background at 1.2 meters: 5,1, the rest in no particular order
Flare: 4, 5, the rest in no particular order
Bokeh and transition at f2 at 10-12 feet: 1, 4, 5 are mostly smooth, the rest a little nervous but not a big difference overall
F8 with tree (focal point) 12 feet away: 1 and 3 with foreground in focus and background out of focus towards the corners. I prefer the others.
Transition Zone: 3 and 6 ahead, the rest in no particular order
For my preference I would probably weight the different scenes 1: 15%, 2: 45%, 3: 15%, 4: 5%, 5: 10%, 6: 10%
I hope the Sigma 2/35 comes out well, I just bought one yesterday on David's recommendation
Maybe I didn‘t need much convincing
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Feb 01, 2021 at 06:49 AM
p.2 #1035mm blind test p.2
scene 1 (0.6m):
good: 1, 5
ok'ish: 4, 3
not good: 2
scene 2 (1.2m):
good: 1, 5
ok'ish: 3, 4
not good: 2
scene 3 (flare):
good: 5
ok'ish: 3
not good: 1, 2, 4
scene 4 (transition):
good: 1, 4, 5
ok'ish: 2, 3
not good: -
(is it just me or do 1 and 5 look identical here?)
scene 5 (f8):
good: 2, 5
ok'ish: 1
not good: 3, 4
scene 6 (transition):
good: 3, 6
ok'ish: 1, 2, 5
not good: 4
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good: 1, 5
ok'ish: 4, 3
not good: 2
scene 2 (1.2m):
good: 1, 5
ok'ish: 3, 4
not good: 2
scene 3 (flare):
good: 5
ok'ish: 3
not good: 1, 2, 4
scene 4 (transition):
good: 1, 4, 5
ok'ish: 2, 3
not good: -
(is it just me or do 1 and 5 look identical here?)
scene 5 (f8):
good: 2, 5
ok'ish: 1
not good: 3, 4
scene 6 (transition):
good: 3, 6
ok'ish: 1, 2, 5
not good: 4
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Feb 01, 2021 at 07:01 AM
p.2 #1135mm blind test p.2
nehemiahphoto wrote:
Scene #1 - I like 1 and 5; and I don't like 2
Scene #2 - I like 5 and I don't like 2
Scene #3 - I like 5 and I don't like 1, 2, 3, or 4
Scene #4 - I like 1 and 5 and I don't like 3 or 4 (for different reason 3 has field curvature that bothers me and 4 has the busiest mid zone)
Scene #5 - I like 5 and I don't like 4 (CA still evident in the corner at f/8)
Here are my guesses for the lenses
1 - Pentax 31 f/1.8 limited
2 - CV 35 f/1.4
3 - Sigma 35 f/2 I-series
4 - Sony 35 f/1.8
5 - CV 35 f/1.2 III
From my scores above it looks like I really like 5 and I basically like 1, but don't think too much of the others.Those are good guesses, but there's a couple lenses you're missing. Also, I just added the last part, which is probably the most tell. Lastly, good job picking different numbers for each set--they are varied, i.e. lens "1" is not lens "1" across series. I'll put that in my first post, I had meant to and spaced.Now I realize you made it a lot harder with randomizing for each set. So here are my preferences again:
Scene #1 - I like 1 and 5; and I don't like 2
Scene #2 - I like 5 and I don't like 2
Scene #3 - I like 5 and I don't like 1, 2, 3, or 4
Scene #4 - I like 5 and I don't like 3 or 4 (for different reason 3 has field curvature that bothers me and 4 has the busiest mid zone)
Scene #5 - I like 5 and I don't like 4 (CA still evident in the corner at f/8)
Scene #6 - I like 3 and I don't like 2 and 4
Now for guess of which lens is which. Some scenes are easier than others.
Scene #1 - I find it hard to pick out lenses for this one so I won't guess them all:
I think 5 is the CV 35 f/1.2 III; I think 2 might be the Sony 35 f/1.8
Scene #2 - I find this the hards scene to pick out the different lenses I won't make any guesses here
Scene #3 - I found this the easiest one because of the obvious differences in aperture blades
1 has a nine bladed aperture and strong flare it seems wide open too as I don't see polygons in the flare. So, a 35 f/2 lens with 9 aperture blades that does handle flare all that well; 2 has a ten bladed aperture and strong veiling flare in the middle of the image. I am guessing this is the CV 35 f/1.4; 3 Like 1 in this series this seems to be a 9 bladed aperture lens with a lot of flare and probably and f/2 aperture; 4 Like 1 and 3 this looks like a lens with a 9 bladed aperture, but this one is stopped down. Still pretty poor flare control. I am guessing this is the Sony 35 f/1.8; 5 This is a 10 aperture bladed lens and I like the flare control here. I am guessing it is the CV 35 f/1.2 III.
Scene #4 - I found these hard to judge because of the size. I definitely like 5 and if I were guessing I would say it is the RX1. Looking again I am not sure I like 1 as the mid zone looks more busy than I initially thought. I think 1 might be the Sony 35 f/1.8. I think 2 may be the Pentax 31 f/1.8 Limited. I am not sure what 3 is but I don't like the field curvature, and I am not sure I dislike 4 as much as I said on my initial evaluation.
Scene #5 - I still think 4 is likely the Sony 35 f/1.8, but I am not sure what any of the others are.
Scene #6 - I do think this scene gives a lot more hints that #4. I think 1 is the CV 35 f/1.4 both because of the center sharpness and the somewhat busy transition. I am stumped by 2, but I know I don't like it much with a bit busy mid zone and background. I think 3 is the RX1 it is lovely. I think 4 is probably the 35 f/1.8. I don't like it much at all. I think 5 is probably the Sigma 35 f/2 I. Finally I would guess 6 is the CV 35 f/1.2 III.Sorry some of the scenes weren't clearly illustrative--on my flickr they are posted larger than FM alllows if that helps. I can post entire photos for the 0.6 bokeh scene 1 as that gives more info if you'd like. I can also tell which lenses were used, or wait. Up to you
Thanks for doing this exercise. I found scene 4 difficult especially when it was smaller, but no big deal. The reveal will be fun. Maybe tell us the lenses used and let us guess again which is which before the final reveal. Do it as you like, however. This was a fun exercise and I think helps us see what is easy to see in the shots and what is less easy to see.
Steve Spencer wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
Steve Spencer wrote
Here are my picks:Scene #1 - I like 1 and 5; and I don't like 2
Scene #2 - I like 5 and I don't like 2
Scene #3 - I like 5 and I don't like 1, 2, 3, or 4
Scene #4 - I like 1 and 5 and I don't like 3 or 4 (for different reason 3 has field curvature that bothers me and 4 has the busiest mid zone)
Scene #5 - I like 5 and I don't like 4 (CA still evident in the corner at f/8)
Here are my guesses for the lenses
1 - Pentax 31 f/1.8 limited
2 - CV 35 f/1.4
3 - Sigma 35 f/2 I-series
4 - Sony 35 f/1.8
5 - CV 35 f/1.2 III
From my scores above it looks like I really like 5 and I basically like 1, but don't think too much of the others.
Scene #1 - I like 1 and 5; and I don't like 2
Scene #2 - I like 5 and I don't like 2
Scene #3 - I like 5 and I don't like 1, 2, 3, or 4
Scene #4 - I like 5 and I don't like 3 or 4 (for different reason 3 has field curvature that bothers me and 4 has the busiest mid zone)
Scene #5 - I like 5 and I don't like 4 (CA still evident in the corner at f/8)
Scene #6 - I like 3 and I don't like 2 and 4
Now for guess of which lens is which. Some scenes are easier than others.
Scene #1 - I find it hard to pick out lenses for this one so I won't guess them all:
I think 5 is the CV 35 f/1.2 III; I think 2 might be the Sony 35 f/1.8
Scene #2 - I find this the hards scene to pick out the different lenses I won't make any guesses here
Scene #3 - I found this the easiest one because of the obvious differences in aperture blades
1 has a nine bladed aperture and strong flare it seems wide open too as I don't see polygons in the flare. So, a 35 f/2 lens with 9 aperture blades that does handle flare all that well; 2 has a ten bladed aperture and strong veiling flare in the middle of the image. I am guessing this is the CV 35 f/1.4; 3 Like 1 in this series this seems to be a 9 bladed aperture lens with a lot of flare and probably and f/2 aperture; 4 Like 1 and 3 this looks like a lens with a 9 bladed aperture, but this one is stopped down. Still pretty poor flare control. I am guessing this is the Sony 35 f/1.8; 5 This is a 10 aperture bladed lens and I like the flare control here. I am guessing it is the CV 35 f/1.2 III.
Scene #4 - I found these hard to judge because of the size. I definitely like 5 and if I were guessing I would say it is the RX1. Looking again I am not sure I like 1 as the mid zone looks more busy than I initially thought. I think 1 might be the Sony 35 f/1.8. I think 2 may be the Pentax 31 f/1.8 Limited. I am not sure what 3 is but I don't like the field curvature, and I am not sure I dislike 4 as much as I said on my initial evaluation.
Scene #5 - I still think 4 is likely the Sony 35 f/1.8, but I am not sure what any of the others are.
Scene #6 - I do think this scene gives a lot more hints that #4. I think 1 is the CV 35 f/1.4 both because of the center sharpness and the somewhat busy transition. I am stumped by 2, but I know I don't like it much with a bit busy mid zone and background. I think 3 is the RX1 it is lovely. I think 4 is probably the 35 f/1.8. I don't like it much at all. I think 5 is probably the Sigma 35 f/2 I. Finally I would guess 6 is the CV 35 f/1.2 III.
Thanks for doing this exercise. I found scene 4 difficult especially when it was smaller, but no big deal. The reveal will be fun. Maybe tell us the lenses used and let us guess again which is which before the final reveal. Do it as you like, however. This was a fun exercise and I think helps us see what is easy to see in the shots and what is less easy to see.
Feb 01, 2021 at 07:33 AM
p.2 #1235mm blind test p.2
DavidBM wrote:
You’re welcome—you of all people know what a pain these are to put together! Maybe I’ll hold on the reveal till you give your preferences A lot of pain indeed.
Bokeh at 0.6 meters: 5, 4 (good), the rest pretty busy with no clear order
Bokeh/background at 1.2 meters: 5,1, the rest in no particular order
Flare: 4, 5, the rest in no particular order
Bokeh and transition at f2 at 10-12 feet: 1, 4, 5 are mostly smooth, the rest a little nervous but not a big difference overall
F8 with tree (focal point) 12 feet away: 1 and 3 with foreground in focus and background out of focus towards the corners. I prefer the others.
Transition Zone: 3 and 6 ahead, the rest in no particular order
For my preference I would probably weight the different scenes 1: 15%, 2: 45%, 3: 15%, 4: 5%, 5: 10%, 6: 10%
I hope the Sigma 2/35 comes out well, I just bought one yesterday on David's recommendationWell, based on one scene in which it did really well against bokeh famous competition, and my report about a few more! More testing to do, though it is super promising, modulo a little swirl and cats eyes in some scenes.
Are you finding your copy to vignette noticeably? More than you’d expect for lens of this class?
Or the whole image just feels a little bit darker than it should for an F2
Phillip Reeve wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
Phillip Reeve wrote
Very interesting, thanks for the work and I look forward to the revealBokeh at 0.6 meters: 5, 4 (good), the rest pretty busy with no clear order
Bokeh/background at 1.2 meters: 5,1, the rest in no particular order
Flare: 4, 5, the rest in no particular order
Bokeh and transition at f2 at 10-12 feet: 1, 4, 5 are mostly smooth, the rest a little nervous but not a big difference overall
F8 with tree (focal point) 12 feet away: 1 and 3 with foreground in focus and background out of focus towards the corners. I prefer the others.
Transition Zone: 3 and 6 ahead, the rest in no particular order
For my preference I would probably weight the different scenes 1: 15%, 2: 45%, 3: 15%, 4: 5%, 5: 10%, 6: 10%
I hope the Sigma 2/35 comes out well, I just bought one yesterday on David's recommendation
Are you finding your copy to vignette noticeably? More than you’d expect for lens of this class?
Or the whole image just feels a little bit darker than it should for an F2
Feb 01, 2021 at 10:01 AM
p.2 #1335mm blind test p.2
are there actually 6 different lenses or are some of the photos just duplicates to fool us?
can't wait for the results. thanks for doing this comparison!
can't wait for the results. thanks for doing this comparison!
Feb 01, 2021 at 10:11 AM
p.2 #1435mm blind test p.2
keepcoding wrote:
are there actually 6 different lenses or are some of the photos just duplicates to fool us?
can't wait for the results. thanks for doing this comparison!
Each photo in each set ie a different lens. I like FM’ers, I wouldn’t do duplicates to you guys lol
are there actually 6 different lenses or are some of the photos just duplicates to fool us?
can't wait for the results. thanks for doing this comparison!
Each photo in each set ie a different lens. I like FM’ers, I wouldn’t do duplicates to you guys lol
Feb 01, 2021 at 11:16 AM
p.2 #1535mm blind test p.2
nehemiahphoto wrote:
can't wait for the results. thanks for doing this comparison!Each photo in each set ie a different lens. I like FM’ers, I wouldn’t do duplicates to you guys lol
but then why are the crops 1 and 5 of the 4th scene literally identical (on a pixel level)?
keepcoding wrote
are there actually 6 different lenses or are some of the photos just duplicates to fool us?can't wait for the results. thanks for doing this comparison!
but then why are the crops 1 and 5 of the 4th scene literally identical (on a pixel level)?
Feb 01, 2021 at 11:22 AM
p.2 #1635mm blind test p.2
keepcoding wrote:
can't wait for the results. thanks for doing this comparison!Each photo in each set ie a different lens. I like FM’ers, I wouldn’t do duplicates to you guys lolbut then why are the crops 1 and 5 of the 4th scene literally identical (on a pixel level)?
Crap—I need to look at it. Duplicates are human error—I can post the fulls after work.
nehemiahphoto wrote
keepcoding wrote
are there actually 6 different lenses or are some of the photos just duplicates to fool us?can't wait for the results. thanks for doing this comparison!
Crap—I need to look at it. Duplicates are human error—I can post the fulls after work.
Feb 01, 2021 at 11:27 AM
p.2 #1735mm blind test p.2
Set 1
5>1/4>3>2 I think 5 is RX1, 4 is sigma, 1 maybe VC
Set 2
5>1>3>2>4 I think 5 is RX1, 1 is sigma, 4 is pentax, 3 is VC
Set 3
Don’t care, not even sure they were at the same aperture
Set 4
4>2>3>1>5
4 is RX1, 2 is VC, 3 is sigma 5 is pentax
Set 5
Don’t care, too many variable to make it matter
5>1/4>3>2 I think 5 is RX1, 4 is sigma, 1 maybe VC
Set 2
5>1>3>2>4 I think 5 is RX1, 1 is sigma, 4 is pentax, 3 is VC
Set 3
Don’t care, not even sure they were at the same aperture
Set 4
4>2>3>1>5
4 is RX1, 2 is VC, 3 is sigma 5 is pentax
Set 5
Don’t care, too many variable to make it matter
Feb 01, 2021 at 11:30 AM
p.2 #1835mm blind test p.2
At 0.6m: 5 & 4 best while 2 worse (5 probably RX1)
At 1.2m: 5 & 1 best while 4 worse (5 probably RX1)
Flare: 5 best (5 probably a Voigtlander)
At transition zone at 10 feet: 4 best and 5 worse
Fence: 6 & 3 best while 4 worse
At 1.2m: 5 & 1 best while 4 worse (5 probably RX1)
Flare: 5 best (5 probably a Voigtlander)
At transition zone at 10 feet: 4 best and 5 worse
Fence: 6 & 3 best while 4 worse
Feb 01, 2021 at 11:38 AM
p.2 #1935mm blind test p.2
First of all: Thank you for putting it together!
Having posted a couple of more in-depth lens tests I know the work needed to present images. It's very much easier to just judge for oneself than putting a decent presentation together.
What I noticed, or didn't notice:
1. Bokeh at 0.6 meters: 5, 1 (I like it when the outline doesn't show too much)
2. Bokeh/background at 1.2 meters: 5, 1 (odd, the same numbers... but the other images show some tendency towards ni-sen bokeh)
3. Flare: Well, in that situation I would have tried not to stop the lens down.
4. Bokeh and transition at f2 at 10-12 feet: 5, 1 (mainly for not having the foreground as sharp as the other ones)
5. F8: No idea really, I guess I could live with any of the lenses.
6. Grass transition: I don't know.... maybe image 6 and 3 (the light and the colors aren't the same, maybe it simply doesn't matter much, or somebody point me to what to look for. Of course, if I need helping finding the good and the bad it again doesn't matter much.
Thanks again
/Jonas
Having posted a couple of more in-depth lens tests I know the work needed to present images. It's very much easier to just judge for oneself than putting a decent presentation together.
What I noticed, or didn't notice:
1. Bokeh at 0.6 meters: 5, 1 (I like it when the outline doesn't show too much)
2. Bokeh/background at 1.2 meters: 5, 1 (odd, the same numbers... but the other images show some tendency towards ni-sen bokeh)
3. Flare: Well, in that situation I would have tried not to stop the lens down.
4. Bokeh and transition at f2 at 10-12 feet: 5, 1 (mainly for not having the foreground as sharp as the other ones)
5. F8: No idea really, I guess I could live with any of the lenses.
6. Grass transition: I don't know.... maybe image 6 and 3 (the light and the colors aren't the same, maybe it simply doesn't matter much, or somebody point me to what to look for. Of course, if I need helping finding the good and the bad it again doesn't matter much.
Thanks again
/Jonas
Feb 01, 2021 at 01:01 PM
p.2 #2035mm blind test p.2
nehemiahphoto wrote:
You’re welcome—you of all people know what a pain these are to put together! Maybe I’ll hold on the reveal till you give your preferences A lot of pain indeed.
Bokeh at 0.6 meters: 5, 4 (good), the rest pretty busy with no clear order
Bokeh/background at 1.2 meters: 5,1, the rest in no particular order
Flare: 4, 5, the rest in no particular order
Bokeh and transition at f2 at 10-12 feet: 1, 4, 5 are mostly smooth, the rest a little nervous but not a big difference overall
F8 with tree (focal point) 12 feet away: 1 and 3 with foreground in focus and background out of focus towards the corners. I prefer the others.
Transition Zone: 3 and 6 ahead, the rest in no particular order
For my preference I would probably weight the different scenes 1: 15%, 2: 45%, 3: 15%, 4: 5%, 5: 10%, 6: 10%
I hope the Sigma 2/35 comes out well, I just bought one yesterday on David's recommendationWell, based on one scene in which it did really well against bokeh famous competition, and my report about a few more! More testing to do, though it is super promising, modulo a little swirl and cats eyes in some scenes.Are you finding your copy to vignette noticeably? More than you’d expect for lens of this class?
Or the whole image just feels a little bit darker than it should for an F2
Yes huge vignetting despite only average optical vignetting. It isn’t that sudden vignetting either...it spreads across much of the frame. Correctable and it doesn’t worry me too much, presumably one of the interesting trade offs. What is super surprising is that the *amount* of blur at f2 seems very high, as though it’s faster than sone f2 35s, and yet the vignetting....
DavidBM wrote
Phillip Reeve wrote
nehemiahphoto wrote
Phillip Reeve wrote
Very interesting, thanks for the work and I look forward to the revealBokeh at 0.6 meters: 5, 4 (good), the rest pretty busy with no clear order
Bokeh/background at 1.2 meters: 5,1, the rest in no particular order
Flare: 4, 5, the rest in no particular order
Bokeh and transition at f2 at 10-12 feet: 1, 4, 5 are mostly smooth, the rest a little nervous but not a big difference overall
F8 with tree (focal point) 12 feet away: 1 and 3 with foreground in focus and background out of focus towards the corners. I prefer the others.
Transition Zone: 3 and 6 ahead, the rest in no particular order
For my preference I would probably weight the different scenes 1: 15%, 2: 45%, 3: 15%, 4: 5%, 5: 10%, 6: 10%
I hope the Sigma 2/35 comes out well, I just bought one yesterday on David's recommendation
Or the whole image just feels a little bit darker than it should for an F2
Yes huge vignetting despite only average optical vignetting. It isn’t that sudden vignetting either...it spreads across much of the frame. Correctable and it doesn’t worry me too much, presumably one of the interesting trade offs. What is super surprising is that the *amount* of blur at f2 seems very high, as though it’s faster than sone f2 35s, and yet the vignetting....
Feb 01, 2021 at 01:50 PM