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This post is coming from CAPTURE ONE themselves.

So for CAPTURE ONE v10-20 perpetual - 3 activations

CAPTURE ONE v21 perpetual and later - 2 activations

https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002406957-Activation-Limit-Exceeded


Now they started getting greedy.... why change to 2 activations for v21? Bring it back to 3!!!

I am having some doubts now if I want to continue with C1... I have two laptops 1 mac and 1 windows I use them both... then I have a powerful desktop at home., it's a perfect setup for me.

Capture One why would you do this You will lose good customers. Don't be greedy.








Dec 08, 2020 at 02:54 PM
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Yeah, this is screwed up. I'll keep using it but I may have to just buy another seat, or go back to the five seat license I used to have. But really, even though they're.... up, don't let a couple hundred dollars color your overall decision.


Dec 08, 2020 at 02:56 PM
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Peter Figen wrote:
Yeah, this is screwed up. I'll keep using it but I may have to just buy another seat, or go back to the five seat license I used to have. But really, even though they're ...., don't let a couple hundred dollars color your overall decision.



They getting greedy... those freakin bosses they want xmas bonuses!!!

Instead of giving it to the codersprogrammers who work hard!!! Bosses just sits around scratching their ..!!! firing people.

They are becoming like ADOBE!!!



Dec 08, 2020 at 03:17 PM
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Switch to Adobe. It's cheaper and you get a much more robust system and continuous updates. Also anything you want to learn is easily found on YouTube tutorials.


Dec 08, 2020 at 03:40 PM
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Like Adobe each upgrade is not really a big change. Many people skip versions. Reduced revenue, hence the push for subscriptions and extra charges for multiple machines.

When software is newer each revision brings huge improvements in features, speed and the interface. Later on, the developers make minor bug fixes, change the interface a little and possibly add a feature that not many want or need. People start to decide if spending money on a new version really gives them anything.

I am probably going to skip this version too. I don’t see anything I need. If it runs faster than v12 and it will work on the new Apple hardware I might rethink my position.



Dec 08, 2020 at 03:41 PM
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Adobe in unrivaled when it comes to Photoshop, but, for the type of work I do and the way I've become accustomed to working in the last twenty years, they lag considerably in raw processing, and although I do use ACR on occasion, it's never for serious work and just never like Lightroom at all. The point about diminishing returns as software matures is one I've made many times over the years, so, of course, Adobe is going to push you into subscriptions even when they said they wouldn't. So you either bitch about it and do without or you just pay up and have the tools you need. The way I see it, if I'm forced to buy another seat for C1, it's not that big of a deal in the grand scheme. You buy the tools you need to do the job and that's just part of the deal.


Dec 08, 2020 at 05:31 PM
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I get your point about sucking it up if you need it. For me photography is just a hobby. I got out of weddings once digital became mature. Many reasons but I worked part time for a studio and giving up my Saturdays for half the year became too much.

So any expense on software or hardware is an expense. I don’t have income to offset the expense. That being said I just despise subscription anything. I got rid of cable TV years ago, and with the exception of utilities I have no recurring monthly bills.

Because photography is strictly a hobby I try to be frugal and make sure what I buy I use and it is the best option, for me. I love C1 for the files it produces and I switched once Aperture was officially cancelled. I did have C1 before Aperture went into the scrap heap. I moved my catalogue and fixed all the keywords, ratings, labels and albums once I switched. Because of this I will stick with C1. The question is does this newest version do something I want compared to v12. I skipped 20.

If I do buy it I won’t install this until the first bug fix or a bunch of good reports are out.



Dec 08, 2020 at 07:36 PM
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bushwacker wrote:
This post is coming from CAPTURE ONE themselves.

So for CAPTURE ONE v10-20 perpetual - 3 activations

CAPTURE ONE v21 perpetual and later - 2 activations

https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002406957-Activation-Limit-Exceeded

Now they started getting greedy.... why change to 2 activations for v21? Bring it back to 3!!!

I am having some doubts now if I want to continue with C1... I have two laptops 1 mac and 1 windows I use them both... then I have a powerful desktop at home., it's a perfect setup for me.

Capture One why would you do this You will lose good customers. Don't be greedy.

Never take away what is already there.
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Dec 08, 2020 at 07:51 PM
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Gregory - I understand where you're coming from. I stopped worrying about these things too much a long time ago. I just figure there are going to be things that I want to have regardless of whether they make dollars and cents. Two photography related items were my drum scanners and my large format printers. Neither made much sense at first but as soon as people knew I had both they quickly paid for themselves but even if they didn't I wouldn't care much. I just like having the tools to do the job I want done.

Same thing applies to my pandemic pastime - high quality digital audio. Started with a couple of microphones and an Apollo interface just to be able to do remote sessions for my musician g.f. and now that's grown to a second interface, six microphones including a $4K Lauten Audio tube mic and an AEA ribbon mic (both built here in California!) and most recently, a pair of calibrated (just like our Ps monitors) Genelec 8351 audio monitors for $8K. So for about $20K, we're getting way more than our money's worth staying COVID safe and the composer's she's recording for are very very happy. Oh, and yeah, I get to record myself as well and this setup has become the best learning tool I have for my own playing and singing. Hopefully by next summer we'll be able to actually shoot people again.



Dec 08, 2020 at 08:28 PM
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bushwacker wrote:
This post is coming from CAPTURE ONE themselves.

So for CAPTURE ONE v10-20 perpetual - 3 activations

CAPTURE ONE v21 perpetual and later - 2 activations

https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002406957-Activation-Limit-Exceeded

Now they started getting greedy.... why change to 2 activations for v21? Bring it back to 3!!!

I am having some doubts now if I want to continue with C1... I have two laptops 1 mac and 1 windows I use them both... then I have a powerful desktop at home., it's a perfect setup for me.

Capture One why would you do this You will lose good customers. Don't be greedy.



The 2 activations only applies to new purchasers of v21.
Anyone upgrading to v21 retains the original activations they had when they first purchased.
Sounds like you are upgrading so you will keep your three activations.

I just upgraded from v20 to v21 and still have 3 activations.

Edit: The definition of a new purchaser of C1 seems to be anyone who buys C1 21 after release (today) or anyone who bought v20 on or after November 17, 2020, which I assume was the start date of the free included future upgrade to v21.








Dec 09, 2020 at 05:08 AM
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Peter,

I hear you. I have several expensive hobbies and I like to make sure things I buy for my hobbies are a good value. I don’t use many of C1’s features which is why I am thinking about alternatives.

Looking at videos and C1’s site I think once M1 processors are supported I will upgrade.



Dec 09, 2020 at 10:36 AM
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Gregory Edge wrote:
Like Adobe each upgrade is not really a big change. Many people skip versions. Reduced revenue, hence the push for subscriptions and extra charges for multiple machines.

When software is newer each revision brings huge improvements in features, speed and the interface. Later on, the developers make minor bug fixes, change the interface a little and possibly add a feature that not many want or need. People start to decide if spending money on a new version really gives them anything.

I am probably going to skip this version too. I don’t see anything I need. If it runs faster than
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Adobe has updates and adds new features all year round. I think the only reason they do a version number is to keep up to competitors annual upgrade cycle. This year they added colour grading to LR. Sometimes there isn’t a big update. It’s different every year.



Dec 09, 2020 at 10:37 AM
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gbinoz wrote:
Anyone upgrading to v21 retains the original activations they had when they first purchased.



Where exactly did you see this officially?

I got v12

See this is what C1 don't understand.

My desktop is my main Editor, it's in my home.

My C1 Windows laptop is for the studio, tether, demo, remote control etc.. it stays in studio.

My C1 Mac laptop is for on the go...travel, vacation, for clients, etc. It goes with me.

It's a perfect setup for me., it will be useless to get v21 if I will lose one activation... and this is one of the reasons why I switch from ADOBE.







Dec 09, 2020 at 08:28 PM
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Three activations per license sure seems like the humane way to go with this type of software, especially considering how many of us use it. All it does by cutting that down is equally cut down any good will Phase may have built up over the years, and literally piss people off. Sure, some will pay more for an extra seat and some will do without, but others are just going to go elsewhere and trash talk Phase forever going forward. Maybe they're just like Adobe now and don't give a crap. I'd like to think they're Danish and not like Cupertino, but I guess I'm wrong. These are all tiny little wounds that don't seem good for the industry as a whole.


Dec 09, 2020 at 08:52 PM
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Peter Figen wrote:
Three activations per license sure seems like the humane way to go with this type of software, especially considering how many of us use it. All it does by cutting that down is equally cut down any good will Phase may have built up over the years, and literally piss people off. Sure, some will pay more for an extra seat and some will do without, but others are just going to go elsewhere and trash talk Phase forever going forward. Maybe they're just like Adobe now and don't give a crap. I'd like to think they're Danish and
...Show more


If you check that thread about C1's activation thread on Phase One's website, most comments are complaining about it.

There are specific questions there but C1 representative is not responding to those only basic general questions.

https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002734558-How-many-computers-can-I-install-Capture-One-on-






Dec 10, 2020 at 07:35 AM
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I stopped dropping in on that forum years ago as it was pretty useless, at least for me. So much so that I'd almost forgotten about it.


Dec 10, 2020 at 11:41 AM
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And now after reading the thread linked above, I only feel more so that Phase is totally f... up. The responses from "Lily" are wholly unacceptable and don't seem to get the problem they've created and never explain why they've changed their policies. Just makes me hate them even more.


Dec 10, 2020 at 11:50 AM
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Hi all.

Just wish to add my experience regarding the upgrade. YMMV.

I closed my studio due to health last year, but still maintain it for my use. I am and have been since 2005 using multiple macs at all times. Currently, I use two dest tops and one mac pro laptop, all on Mojave. I started using C1 at version 7 about the time of the changes at Adobe. I have been a beta tester for each version, have purchased the new version each release, and purchased the 3 seat version when first offered and in each succeeding year. I like C1 and use it in conjunction of CS6 perpetual.

To the subject at hand. Phase One C1 and the now separate C1 software group have always been a "unique" imaging software company, both in marketing, development and sadly, physical implementation of their software installation, support, and upgrades. I am not quite sure "unique" covers it, but I will leave it at that. Every time you purchase a new release, see the web site is updated, or there is a new moon, you can just about bet there will be a new way to update, new hoops to jump through, a zillion documents required and lastly, a description of same which would baffle Einstein and decreased customer support. I have determined the following by tracking each and every link regarding the new release, and much trial, error, and expletives.

As a beta tester, I always receive notification via email regarding a new beta. I received 21 notification shortly before the "preorder" offer was sent out. I had already downloaded the beta and was using the new features. I already knew I would purchase the update as usual with my upgrades pricing. As I recall, the original offer was indicated to expire the 30th of that month. There was no indication at that time that I can recall that indicated a change in the number of seats available or I missed it.. I made an early purchase within a few days of the offer and continued to work with the updated beta as released on a separate machine. At the time of early order, I received a new key that replaced my existing keys for earlier versions. Upon opening C1 on my mac pro, I was asked if I wanted to deactivate this version. ? The answer was to deactivate it, close out C1, and then reopen, update the activation screen with the new key and C1 20 worked. I did this for my other desk top and my laptop. All was well, until the new release.

The morning of the release, I opened the mac pro version, and checked for updates within C1 and updated per usual. All was well. I went to my laptop, and did likewise, It worked as well. Then came the bad news. My second desk top copy said I had used up my 2 activations and had none remaining. I logged into my account activation page and was shocked. There were multiple activations and deactivations, and I was informed I had 2 activations used and that was all I was going to get. At this point I was furious, and after trying everything I opened captureone.com/en and in the top line clicked on Upgrade. The new screen asked me to log in to my account. This opened the UPGrade your Capture One page with all the various upgrades available. I scrolled down to Did you already pre-order? and a Download Capture One 21 button. I decided to play a hunch based on C1's convoluted updates in the past. I went back to my mac pro, and my open account, and chose to deactivate all activations on my activations page. Bingo. The page now showed I had 3 activations available.

I went back to my second desk top and hit the Download Capture One 21 button. C1 21 downloaded immediately. I installed and activated with the new key. Yes! I held my breath and went to Activations! Yes! 2 remaining! The rest was simple. I went back to my mac pro, downloaded from my open account via the Did you already pre-order? and the Download Capture One 21 button, installed over the existing C1 21 and reactivated using the C1 21 key. C1 21 opened and the activation in C1 21 showed I still had 1 more activation as did my open account page on the other desktop. Closed out and opened my Mac Book Pro did the same reinstall, rinse and repeat. 3 units activated with C1 21 and working, and no remaining activations.

I apologize for the text wall and hope it is helpful for some. Please note the following:
a. I have had 3 paid seats prior to this fiasco for multiple years
b. I noted somewhere in my search an unclear reference to preorders prior to a specific date, which I believe was a date
stated in the very first PreOrder email, being granted the same seats as prior and later preorders after a second date to
default to the new 2 seat limit. I cannot find the actual link now but will advise if I find it. It was vary vaguely implied.

If you meet this criteria, give it a shot. I am up and running. I feel this is a very shoddy way of handling the situation and am rather concerned about C1 going forward. I will reserve judgement but view all with eyes wide open regarding future versions.
I need 3 seats which is why I paid for them. I do not need other users. I have no problem regarding paying for the 3rd seat, but will not pay for 5 users. Further, there is no excuse for any upgrade to be so convoluted nor for customer support to cease to exist.

Regards,
mjgphotoz


update: Bushwacker above must have found the notice I did. Maybe he can link.








Dec 10, 2020 at 12:36 PM
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Adobe killed a huge amount of pirating of PS by going subscription, it was so cheap why bother pirate? I have a fancy that C1 is going to be pushing people the other way.

There used to be an easy way to game the seat limitations on C1 12 which we discovered by accident in the studio (we had 7 licenses, all fully paid for). I wonder if they ever fixed the bug in their system. I won't disclose it here of course but you bet people will be looking for solutions to this problem which are outside of what they may have done otherwise.



Dec 10, 2020 at 02:53 PM
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bushwacker wrote:
Where exactly did you see this officially?

I got v12

See this is what C1 don't understand.

My desktop is my main Editor, it's in my home.

My C1 Windows laptop is for the studio, tether, demo, remote control etc.. it stays in studio.

My C1 Mac laptop is for on the go...travel, vacation, for clients, etc. It goes with me.

It's a perfect setup for me., it will be useless to get v21 if I will lose one activation... and this is one of the reasons why I switch from ADOBE



https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360007791797-All-about-Capture-One-licenses

Under perpetual licences:
"NOTE: If you have purchased the license before, the number of activations will be the same when you upgrade."

which is a bit ambiguous but clarified further down Under subscription licences:

"NOTE: If you have purchased the license before, the number of activations will be the same for you as at the time you purchased the license."

Also see this one:
https://support.captureone.com/hc/en-us/articles/360002734558-How-many-computers-can-I-install-Capture-One-on-
Go to the responses below on that page to read the replies from C1 staffer Lily to some of same questions there.

As I said, I had 3 activations and still have them as does apparently mjgphotoz above.



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