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p.5 #1 · Utah's Monolith at Night


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Took a furious drive out to a spot 80 miles WSW of Moab to 'greet the visitor'. Any Kubrick/2001 fan should be mesmerized by this thing sprouting up 17 miles down a bumpy dirt road near the Needles District of Canyonlands National Park. 25 hours door-to-door, including 6.5 hours of shooting.

Tried to keep it all as realistic as possible, hope I did justice to this wondrous object/location. 5Ds and Tamron 35/1.4, composite consists of 3 rows of 6 images, including focus-stacking the foreground. Had to wait quite awhile to get rid of the moon; you'd think it'd be helpful for
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Stanley Kubrick has nothing on you!!! Just a fantastic image
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Dec 03, 2020 at 10:16 AM
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I had it shipped to a secret location.

I'm offering 1 day Monolith workshops for only $8,949.99 per person. You must be 18 yrs or older and supply your own travel expenses, transportation to location, lodging and meals.

We will meet in my backyard at 4am on the first morning to capture this magnificent object in beautiful golden morning light and then return that evening to capture it's beauty under the stars of night.

I'm also offering 16oz bottled water for $12.99 and partially used but pristine rolls of toilet paper for only $19.99
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Well, that's just a good deal all around. Paypal sent, let me know when the first available date is.



Dec 03, 2020 at 10:55 AM
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amacal1 wrote:
Well, that's just a good deal all around. Paypal sent, let me know when the first available date is.


Has to be better than this guy For a fee he'll teach you how to communicate with aliens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steven_M._Greer



Dec 03, 2020 at 11:55 AM
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Zenon Char wrote:
Has to be better than this guy For a fee he'll teach you how to communicate with aliens.



Now, that's just ridiculous. I'm pretty sure my neighbors are from Venezuela, and we communicate just fine already.



Dec 03, 2020 at 12:28 PM
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From a detached and purely artistic standpoint the photograph is, IMO, quite nice. What bothers me is that some _______s (insert whatever term you want, mine isn't printable) saw fit to install this thing where they did. There are obviously some mixed feelings and comments about the whole thing, and I'll try my best to explain another side of this.

I first discovered Moab in 1983, and it was a paradise. I spent something like 2 years in chunks between 2 and 4 weeks long between 1983 and the middle 1990s doing nothing but exploring the area. I stopped going,
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Welcome to my nightmare - we are 10 years behind you in Alberta, but first Moraine Lake was "discovered", then Larch Trail, now Ptarmigan Cirque, 3 sisters .... . My go to spot for mountain goat was paved and commercilized so people would have the pleasure of walking over a cliff on glass. I am going to stop indicating location. Covid has been a nightmare of new people out in the park. And instragram has exacerbated it to a great extent. It would not be so bad if there was a photography etiquite - last week we were standing on thin ice and a lady wandered by us with her iphone to stand in front of us and fall through the ice to get her shot.

The parks need to 1) charge more so they have resources, 2) enforce rules about trampling off trail, and 3) limit the numbers through lottery or charging.

If I see one of those plates I will be tempted to remove it quickly. Why did the park staff broadcast it.



Dec 03, 2020 at 01:33 PM
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So pathetic that people feel the need to leave their mark on these wild places. Even worse that people flock to them so they can post images on social media, causing even more damage.

It is the nature of the beast.

Wonder how Native Americans feel about Mt. Rushmore. Because that is exactly what the US government did to their Holiest of Holy mountains. Stole it then, carved and chiseled european heads into their holy mountain.

I hope the same persist when it is handed back to the Native Americans and they blow those blasphemous heads off their mountain.

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Dec 03, 2020 at 03:37 PM
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Scott Stoness wrote:
Welcome to my nightmare - we are 10 years behind you in Alberta, but first Moraine Lake was "discovered", then Larch Trail, now Ptarmigan Cirque, 3 sisters .... . My go to spot for mountain goat was paved and commercilized so people would have the pleasure of walking over a cliff on glass. I am going to stop indicating location. Covid has been a nightmare of new people out in the park. And instragram has exacerbated it to a great extent. It would not be so bad if there was a photography etiquite - last week we were standing
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When I go to a park, or anywhere really, I need to get a reservation for a motel or a campsite, usually well in advance. If I can't get one I have to adjust dates or go elsewhere. I see no reason that parks can't:

1. Determine how many people a place can sustainably accommodate.
2. Set up a reservation system just like the existing ones for campsites and motels, using the number determined in 1 above instead of "sites" or "rooms".
3. Require a reservation to enter the place.

I think it would be considerably cheaper and definitely better for the parks than forever expanding parking lots, bus systems, roads, restrooms, visitor centers, and staffing. Of course that would mean fewer visitors (which is the goal) and adjacent towns would complain loudly. They relentlessly promote tourism with full knowledge that the area is already oversaturated and increasing numbers are destroying everything. Their main concern is definitely not what's good for the nearby parks. But, in the long term I think a reservation system, done properly, would save money and the parks.

The only issue I have with charging a bundle to get into parks is that it's not equitable. Everyone should have equal access. I think a reservation system does that if the reservation fees are comparable to normal park entry fees. If a reservation system doesn't save enough by lowering other park expenses to provide adequate resources, then the federal government, assuming it's a national park, ought to make up the difference. They have really been starving the parks and actually decreasing funding in recent years. But sure, in a worst case scenario charging a bundle is better than completely trashing the place.

I also agree that indicating where photographs are captured destroys the places we photograph. I only wish I had realized it long ago. Where possible, especially when a place isn't already widely known, I've tried scrubbing location info from many of my photos, both online and in print. Sometimes it's a little harder to write a description, but instead of naming an exact place I just say something like "Cascade Range, Washington", or even "American Southwest".

"Why did the park staff broadcast it" is exactly what I thought when I saw the first report. It was the dumbest possible thing they could have done.

And, I think this organization is doing all of the right things:
https://www.naturefirstphotography.org/



Dec 03, 2020 at 03:38 PM
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Rocky Mountain National Park moved this year to a reservation system as a result of COVID, and I'm guessing there's a chance it will stick beyond the pandemic. Recent years have seen all parking lots constantly full with cars circling for spots, and trails are being heavily used, especially with respect to the NPS's dwindling finances.

I tend to stay away from all but the most desolate parks, and the last few years I've been concentrating on BLM lands, with quite a bit of my time spent in Bears Ears National Monument (Obama's, not Trump's). I believe the Lockhart Basin area is within the area questionably removed by the current administration, and notably Utahan's seem mostly unenthused about the Feds setting aside 'their' lands in what is purported to be the public's interests.

Complex issues involved with our population becoming more mobile and more interested in experiencing our public lands. Lands of the BLM are arguably the last bastion of The Wild West, generally considered places where one can do what they want, within broad limits. Unless posted as unlawful, there is pretty much nothing to prevent one from tearing up the landscape, and it's left up to people to make good decisions. We see ample evidence of what happens when left to our own (collective) devices, but I think most are cognizant of trying to do the right thing. Like everything else in life, 10% of people ruin things for the other 90% of us, and we now endlessly argue who comprises the 10%.

Happy shooting.



Dec 03, 2020 at 07:14 PM
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Jeff wrote:
Rocky Mountain National Park moved this year to a reservation system as a result of COVID, and I'm guessing there's a chance it will stick beyond the pandemic. Recent years have seen all parking lots constantly full with cars circling for spots, and trails are being heavily used, especially with respect to the NPS's dwindling finances.

I tend to stay away from all but the most desolate parks, and the last few years I've been concentrating on BLM lands, with quite a bit of my time spent in Bears Ears National Monument (Obama's, not Trump's). I believe the Lockhart Basin
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The Great American West definitely faces a lot of threats. We have so much access in this country, if nobody screws it up. Hopefully no one does. BLM lands are great. I'm not sure how many I've them I've actually been on but as someone who enjoys the outdoor just to get out, they are a national treasure.

I get frustrated with Utah and probably shouldn't say too much about it in public. Not very happy with the dismantling of bears ears and the attempts on Grand Staircase




Dec 03, 2020 at 07:39 PM
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons


Dec 03, 2020 at 07:41 PM
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Tried going to Maroon Bells this summer. Between the schedules and fees I mean one reason I go outdoors is because I don't really like all the crap. So I really appreciate the other lands that aren't regulated to the same degree and you can drive up and hike and get out.

Not saying that maroon bells doesn't need something like that, it's very popular but we need other lands.



Dec 03, 2020 at 07:58 PM
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AmbientMike wrote:
Tried going to Maroon Bells this summer. Between the schedules and fees I mean one reason I go outdoors is because I don't really like all the crap. So I really appreciate the other lands that aren't regulated to the same degree and you can drive up and hike and get out.

Not saying that maroon bells doesn't need something like that, it's very popular but we need other lands.


Never been there.



Dec 03, 2020 at 08:07 PM
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rico wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons


Precisely. Amused to note they use an example of overgrazing in the first paragraph, as much BLM has been disgustingly thrashed by bovine, NFS land as well. Especially nasty in early spring-summer when the eatin's are green.



Dec 03, 2020 at 08:13 PM
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dmcphoto wrote:
And, I think this organization is doing all of the right things:
https://www.naturefirstphotography.org/


Good link, thanks for sharing that!



Dec 03, 2020 at 08:46 PM
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Jeff wrote:
Precisely. Amused to note they use an example of overgrazing in the first paragraph, as much BLM has been disgustingly thrashed by bovine, NFS land as well. Especially nasty in early spring-summer when the eatin's are green.


There's trashing by bovine, but the trashing for bovine is worse:
https://suwa.org/old-chaining-page-chaining-in-the-american-west/
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/09/pinyon-pine-juniper-forests-utah-torn-out-why/

This is reportedly (have not seen it myself) happening in what used to be Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument.



Dec 04, 2020 at 05:29 AM
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Jeff wrote:
Rocky Mountain National Park moved this year to a reservation system as a result of COVID, and I'm guessing there's a chance it will stick beyond the pandemic. Recent years have seen all parking lots constantly full with cars circling for spots, and trails are being heavily used, especially with respect to the NPS's dwindling finances.

I tend to stay away from all but the most desolate parks, and the last few years I've been concentrating on BLM lands, with quite a bit of my time spent in Bears Ears National Monument (Obama's, not Trump's). I believe the Lockhart Basin
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You're absolutely right; the issues are incredibly complex. But we can't possibly be part of that 10%. Can we?

I think a great many people, including myself, are staying away from national parks because many/most are so overcrowded that they do not provide the kind of experience they once did. It's a shame since the national parks arguably contain the most dramatic and diverse scenery in America, not to mention the wildlife. BLM lands are great, but now they're facing increasing use by people like us, and increasing but largely incompatible uses like mining, logging, chaining, grazing, ATV/ATC use, and so on. In the old days the BLM was often referred to as the Bureau of Logging and Mining, largely because those kinds of uses were, and to a large extent still are, their main focus.

I wish I had the answers. As individuals we can at least be aware of the issues and do our best to preserve the places we enjoy. That can certainly help, but I think the whole situation also needs to be recognized at the community, state, and national levels for significant change to happen. With constantly increasing numbers in a finite world the only certainty is that doing what we've been doing won't work.

Happy shooting to you also, wherever you find it.




Dec 04, 2020 at 06:20 AM
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rico wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commons


Yesterday evening I was driving by a lake I used to fish at. The entrance was almost certainly on private land, but nobody seemed to care. Well, whatever ruts etc that might have happened had it stayed like that pale in comparison to the new owners putting a big house and yard. And I was comparing the black metal fence to jail, after I drove by. So probably less damage being common

And then the private landowners tear up the land and then put up a no trespassing sign. I wouldn't have done that much damage to the land taking photos hiking and fishing, ever!!! So what are they worried about me for? Common lands often see less damage





Dec 04, 2020 at 03:04 PM
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https://twitter.com/McDonalds/status/1333828686584324096







Dec 04, 2020 at 03:28 PM
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highdesertmesa wrote:
https://twitter.com/McDonalds/status/1333828686584324096


I've heard this elsewhere

https://medium.com/@kurtburton/forget-burgers-mcdonalds-is-a-real-estate-company-49658d4d9061



Dec 04, 2020 at 03:37 PM
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AmbientMike wrote:
I've heard this elsewhere

https://medium.com/@kurtburton/forget-burgers-mcdonalds-is-a-real-estate-company-49658d4d9061


Absolutely. Watch the movie "Founder" with Michael Keaton. What a story. What absolutely blew me away were the McDonald brothers. They so far ahead of their time applying lean manufacturing decades before anyone even heard of it. We went through all of that at work so it was very interesting to me. I still have Ford's book on Statistical Process Control.



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