p.1 #4 · This Guy Converted His Nikon FM Into a Digital...
Nice hobby project, but a 3.69x2.68mm 2Mp sensor is not particularly interesting. The crop factor must be about 1000 so even your widest lens would only be useful for moon shots.
Hopefully the next prototype with have a 24Mp full frame sensor!
p.1 #5 · This Guy Converted His Nikon FM Into a Digital...
Back when digital was mostly a glimmer in camera engineer's eyes, there was a product being developed, "E-film" I think it was, that tried to do something very similar to that.
p.1 #6 · This Guy Converted His Nikon FM Into a Digital...
Tristanstudios wrote:
Why?
Because Nikon won't sell me one and Fuji's still have EVF's, not OVF's.
I honestly think if Nikon did something along these lines and did it right, they'd pick up a lot of sales. The Df was the right idea, done completely wrong (A good, but flawed camera, essentially trying to marry two concepts and pulling it off badly largely due to overuse of D600 engineering in the design)
Of course, I'll admit I'm the exact target market for Leica's M-D (well, except for the rangefinder and Leica tax, I want the FM2n equivalent of the M-D)
p.1 #7 · This Guy Converted His Nikon FM Into a Digital...
andrewd01 wrote:
Nice hobby project, but a 3.69x2.68mm 2Mp sensor is not particularly interesting...
Did it mention those specifications in the PetaPixel video? If a $29 Raspberry Pi Camera Board is 8MP...
I sincerely doubt that we are still dealing with a 2MP Sensor here.
Just as an example, the ‘I’m Back’ (2017 Campaign) used a 14MP 1/2.3-inch (6.3 x 4.7mm) sized sensor.
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I agree! It definitely fits into the current, popular trend of DIY Electronic Hobby Projects.
p.1 #8 · This Guy Converted His Nikon FM Into a Digital...
Takira71A wrote:
Did it mention those specifications in the PetaPixel video? If a $29 Raspberry Pi Camera Board is 8MP...
I sincerely doubt that we are still dealing with a 2MP Sensor here.
Just as an example, the ‘I’m Back’ (2017 Campaign) used a 14MP 1/2.3-inch (6.3 x 4.7mm) sized sensor.
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I agree! It definitely fits into the current, popular trend of DIY Electronic Hobby Projects.
Not in the video, but the first comment notes this. Whatever the exact specs, it is clear that the sensor is tiny, and not much use in a camera body designed for a 36x24mm sensor.
I would like to see someone attempt a similar project, but sacrifice an old Sony mirrorless camera to get a proper full frame sensor. No need for wireless transfer just save the files on a micro Sd card in the film chamber.
p.1 #9 · This Guy Converted His Nikon FM Into a Digital...
andrewd01 wrote:
Not in the video, but the first comment notes this. Whatever the exact specs, it is clear that the sensor is tiny, and not much use in a camera body designed for a 36x24mm sensor.
I would like to see someone attempt a similar project, but sacrifice an old Sony mirrorless camera to get a proper full frame sensor. No need for wireless transfer just save the files on a micro Sd card in the film chamber.
I don't think you could do a FF design without major mods to the mirror box and back. There's not enough room to fit the sensor in on the same plane as the film due to the shutter mechanism and the film guide rails.
You could do APS-C or APS-H though, as that will clear the film guides. Leica did the latter with their R8 & R9 and Kodak did APS-C-ish with the F3 and a couple other bodies on their earliest DSLR's, which were really backs + a processing box added to an F3, F801s or F90x.
p.1 #11 · This Guy Converted His Nikon FM Into a Digital...
andrewd01 wrote:
Not in the video, but the first comment notes this...
Thank-you, for bringing that to my attention. Greatly appreciated!
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If the commenter is correct (and it would definitely appear that he is), then I wholeheartedly agree with you.
The camera sensor that Sanasol used -- Is definitely a disappointment.
p.1 #14 · This Guy Converted His Nikon FM Into a Digital...
mawz wrote:
I don't think you could do a FF design without major mods to the mirror box and back. There's not enough room to fit the sensor in on the same plane as the film due to the shutter mechanism and the film guide rails.
You could do APS-C or APS-H though, as that will clear the film guides. Leica did the latter with their R8 & R9 and Kodak did APS-C-ish with the F3 and a couple other bodies on their earliest DSLR's, which were really backs + a processing box added to an F3, F801s or F90x.
Yes I think you are probably right. I suppose the target market is such a small niche that it will never get the engineering resources needed to make a modern iteration of the DMR but without the massive bulk. In the ideal world I would like to see a custom back that only protrudes more than the incremental thickness of a sensor compared to film. Does anyone know the thickness of the latest generation of sensors?
So if someone like Leica could have done this 17 years ago (!!!!), if one of the big players want to do this with today's tech, they can. But they don't because they want you to buy the latest thing they are peddling.
p.1 #17 · This Guy Converted His Nikon FM Into a Digital...
andrewd01 wrote:
Yes I think you are probably right. I suppose the target market is such a small niche that it will never get the engineering resources needed to make a modern iteration of the DMR but without the massive bulk. In the ideal world I would like to see a custom back that only protrudes more than the incremental thickness of a sensor compared to film. Does anyone know the thickness of the latest generation of sensors?
The issue is the thickness of the filter stack on the sensor, which is ~2mm or so. You'd need to modify the mount & mirror alignment to compensate. It may be within the range of adjustment already. Needs testing (or an APS-C/H sensor which can fit in between the rails).
I think the electronics would be completely doable inside an old databack, and you likely could re-use the camera->databack integration for triggering.
This would be fun to try with the guts of an old A7 or X-T1 and an FM or FM2n. might even be easier with something like an F2.
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p.1 #18 · This Guy Converted His Nikon FM Into a Digital...
I have been wanting something like this for the Leica IIIf. Cameras that have 8mp canon sensors are pretty cheap. I think I could be happy using one.
Might not mind converting OM-1 or FM-2n, either. I suppose if it'd work with one 35mm slr, it'd work with another? Film the same.
p.1 #19 · This Guy Converted His Nikon FM Into a Digital...
I had the R9 and DMR, and liked it. The R9 in particular was ergonomically perfect for me, and the DMR not that much more than the R9 with a winder. I don't recall off hand, but do think it had vertical controls as well. It was slow and had a 1.3x crop factor. Results were excellent, with a distinct look from the optics. I sold it when Leica abandoned the R product line. I wish I had held on to the glass though for use on Z bodies.
p.1 #20 · This Guy Converted His Nikon FM Into a Digital...
AmbientMike wrote:
I have been wanting something like this for the Leica IIIf. Cameras that have 8mp canon sensors are pretty cheap. I think I could be happy using one.
Might not mind converting OM-1 or FM-2n, either. I suppose if it'd work with one 35mm slr, it'd work with another? Film the same.
It might need adjusting in the ribbon cable, as the film chamber to shutter cutout distance is variable on 35mm SLR's.
lol 