p.52 #1 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
knshshnk wrote:
comparing the RX1rII module from the top plate seems like it could fit in there, but somehow Sony had that LCD size as a bigger priority, quite an odd decision, and being frank even the 'tiny' a6x00 series screen, they could call the folks at Xperia and make a near borderless LCD that would basically the biggest one in e-mount, if only they wanted that to happen
The viewfinder might be a compromise in the A7c, but the bigger fully articulating LCD is right up a vloggers alley.
p.52 #2 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
tunisia wrote:
Basically agree with most of what you say here with one major exception which is why I pre-ordered and just
cancelled after watching a rather good video review - Undone, I think? - which settled - for now, might change
yet again in future - and that is regarding the magnification and size.
Currently, I am shooting on a Leica M with EVF and the 2.36-dot add-on EVF is fine, not easy but good enough.
However, you hit the nail on the head: it's like you're in a back row at a movie theater with such a low magnification.
Well, that's fine if you have no vision issues as some of us do. I need all the mag I can get; and, yes, size does matter .
That's one reason I'm getting the A7Siii - the EVF is huge!
Not even an EVF attached eye piece to help with ambient light. I wear glasses and even struggled with the A6600. Shame because the inferior EVF on the A7C is the only reason I canceled my order.
p.52 #4 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
I can't really imagine a problem with a 24-28mm gap and 60-70mm gap. I don't think I've ever been a situation where a 26mm focal length is the only one that will work, or where 65mm is essential.
Having a zoom go wider to 24mm can be very helpful, but from a gapping standpoint it's not a big deal, IMO. But I'm not in the market for this lens anyway.
p.52 #6 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
chez wrote:
The viewfinder might be a compromise in the A7c, but the bigger fully articulating LCD is right up a vloggers alley.
Except it's actually smaller for Vlogger use, as it's 3:2 and they all are shooting 16:9 which is the form factor of the A6x00 LCD
The A7c is a weird mix of compromises between video-oriented and stills oriented. I see some of the same concept-level mistakes as with the X-T4, really coming down to having a fuzzy definition of what matters to stills & video respectively.
p.52 #7 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Jman13 wrote:
I can't really imagine a problem with a 24-28mm gap and 60-70mm gap. I don't think I've ever been a situation where a 26mm focal length is the only one that will work, or where 65mm is essential.
Having a zoom go wider to 24mm can be very helpful, but from a gapping standpoint it's not a big deal, IMO. But I'm not in the market for this lens anyway.
Agreed, for gapping the range is a non-issue but for 1 lens carry or normal+ tele carry Nikon's 24-50 is a better range.
For Vlogging use, Panasonic's 20-60 is king, getting out to 20mm is a big win when shooting video at arms length. 24 is workable, 28 is too tight for most folks without super-long arms.
Sep 17, 2020 at 08:10 AM
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p.52 #8 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
mawz wrote:
Except it's actually smaller for Vlogger use, as it's 3:2 and they all are shooting 16:9 which is the form factor of the A6x00 LCD
The A7c is a weird mix of compromises between video-oriented and stills oriented. I see some of the same concept-level mistakes as with the X-T4, really coming down to having a fuzzy definition of what matters to stills & video respectively.
A 16:9 aspect ratio is definitely go to be preferred by vloggers, but not if it doesn't face forward. Any articulating screen that faces forward is likely to be preferred over pretty much any screen that doesn't face forward. The A6X00 LCD doesn't face forward (it just tilts up) and it seems to make any screen articulating takes a bit more space and design challenges (as you flip it forward you can't cover important ports, etc.). It seems they might well have had to make the camera wider (and therefore bigger) if they went with a 16:9 aspect ratio on the LCD and made it articulating. So, I am guessing the 3:2 aspect ratio screen which means a smaller screen for vlogging is part of a tradeoff to get an articulating screen and keep the camera a bit smaller. I suspect almost all vloggers would prefer this 3:2 articulating screen to the 16:9 flip up screen in the A6X00.
p.52 #9 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
mawz wrote:
Agreed, for gapping the range is a non-issue but for 1 lens carry or normal+ tele carry Nikon's 24-50 is a better range.
For Vlogging use, Panasonic's 20-60 is king, getting out to 20mm is a big win when shooting video at arms length. 24 is workable, 28 is too tight for most folks without super-long arms.
I agree on both counts. Would love a relatively small, yet high quality 20-60mm f/4. I could even be OK with the variable 3.5-5.6 as long as it was truly excellent optically. If Sony/Sigma/Tamron could make one of those that's sharp to the edges stopped down, I'd replace my 28-75mm in a heartbeat.
p.52 #11 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Steve Spencer wrote:
A 16:9 aspect ratio is definitely go to be preferred by vloggers, but not if it doesn't face forward. Any articulating screen that faces forward is likely to be preferred over pretty much any screen that doesn't face forward. The A6X00 LCD doesn't face forward (it just tilts up) and it seems to make any screen articulating takes a bit more space and design challenges (as you flip it forward you can't cover important ports, etc.). It seems they might well have had to make the camera wider (and therefore bigger) if they went with a 16:9 aspect ratio on the LCD and made it articulating. So, I am guessing the 3:2 aspect ratio screen which means a smaller screen for vlogging is part of a tradeoff to get an articulating screen and keep the camera a bit smaller. I suspect almost all vloggers would prefer this 3:2 articulating screen to the 16:9 flip up screen in the A6X00....Show more →
The A6x00's face forward on the latest revisions, but it's non-optimal as the hotshoe blocks the LCD and with the A7c you have the digital audio interface in the shoe so you really want a good mic in there rather than one plugged into the analog input on the side and sitting on a coldshoe adapter (there are coldshoe adapters for the A6x00's specifically to deal with this issue).
There's zero reason why the flip/twist aspect is tied to the monitor aspect ratio. You can do a 16:9 flip/twist as readily as a 3:2.
p.52 #12 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
mawz wrote:
Except it's actually smaller for Vlogger use, as it's 3:2 and they all are shooting 16:9 which is the form factor of the A6x00 LCD
The A7c is a weird mix of compromises between video-oriented and stills oriented. I see some of the same concept-level mistakes as with the X-T4, really coming down to having a fuzzy definition of what matters to stills & video respectively.
Maybe they need to tiptoe, keeping a foot in each of the still and vlogger camps.
p.52 #13 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
GMPhotography wrote:
Seems that for volgers would not the samyang 18 be workable along with having the zoom.
For stills I’d go Sony 20, maybe the 28 which I’m not a fan of at all but might be nice on this cam
Not sure the zoom is a good option. Too slow and not wide or long enough. But that’s me
More important with a 24mpx sensor I would want the best glass in front of me not the cheapest. Already taking the Mpx hit
Video AF on the Samyang 2.8 primes is an issue, otherwise they'd be perfect for that. The Sony 20 is the answer right now for vlogging use handheld.
Sep 17, 2020 at 09:32 AM
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p.52 #14 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
mawz wrote:
Video AF on the Samyang 2.8 primes is an issue, otherwise they'd be perfect for that. The Sony 20 is the answer right now for vlogging use handheld.
I would think the Tamron 20 f/2.8 might be a good lower cost option as well.
p.52 #15 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Steve Spencer wrote:
I would think the Tamron 20 f/2.8 might be a good lower cost option as well.
That it may well be if the video AF is acceptable. I've heard lots of complaints about focusing on the Tamron primes, but that was mostly around lousy manual focus.
Sep 17, 2020 at 09:58 AM
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p.52 #16 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
mawz wrote:
The A6x00's face forward on the latest revisions, but it's non-optimal as the hotshoe blocks the LCD and with the A7c you have the digital audio interface in the shoe so you really want a good mic in there rather than one plugged into the analog input on the side and sitting on a coldshoe adapter (there are coldshoe adapters for the A6x00's specifically to deal with this issue).
There's zero reason why the flip/twist aspect is tied to the monitor aspect ratio. You can do a 16:9 flip/twist as readily as a 3:2.
I know it isn't a big difference but if you keep a 3 inch diagonal on both a 3:2 aspect ratio LCD and a 16:9 aspect ratio LCD, the 16:9 LCD will be a bit longer on the long side. In this case it would make the camera about 2.5mm wider. Either that or they would have to go with a LCD with a smaller diagonal. So, there is a bit of a tradeoff and they may have gone with the 3:2 aspect ratio to keep the width of the camera as small as possible.
p.52 #17 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Steve Spencer wrote:
I know it isn't a big difference but if you keep a 3 inch diagonal on both a 3:2 aspect ratio LCD and a 16:9 aspect ratio LCD, the 16:9 LCD will be a bit longer on the long side. In this case it would make the camera about 2.5mm wider. Either that or they would have to go with a LCD with a smaller diagonal. So, there is a bit of a tradeoff and they may have gone with the 3:2 aspect ratio to keep the width of the camera as small as possible.
There's a third option, which is what Fuji did on the X-T200 and move some of the playback/navigation controls to the touch LCD interface so the LCD can intrude more into the rear control interface space.
Sep 17, 2020 at 10:13 AM
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p.52 #18 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
mawz wrote:
There's a third option, which is what Fuji did on the X-T200 and move some of the playback/navigation controls to the touch LCD interface so the LCD can intrude more into the rear control interface space.
That would be a good option, but another puzzling aspect of this camera seems to be how little the touch function can be used for the menus and playback and review. That limitation may well prevent the Fuji approach.
p.52 #19 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Fred Miranda wrote:
BTW, the best Sony EVF viewfinder so far can be found on the new A7S III:
0.91x magnification and 9.44-dot resolution. It would be dream to have that in a future A7CR.
Dang, really?? As Sony's cameras have gotten bigger, I've been busier, and more focused on my photography and out of the loop on gear. I've can't imagine - that EVF is downright luxurious.
Just looking now - all of the cameras I use have a 2.36M-dot EVF. A7, A7R2, and X-E3. For me, it's fine, even for full-time MF lens use. I mean, this is what we were all using a few years ago, it's not *that* bad. :lol:
That said, I can see why it'd be a hard sell for a lot of folks who have gotten used to the A7R4 and some of the other higher res EVF models. It'd be a lot easier to stomach for me on a $999-1299 camera than a $1799 camera.
I think the low magnification on the EVF is more of a let down than the resolution. Presumably refresh/lag are better than the A7 and A7R2.
p.52 #20 · Pre-order: Sony A7C Compact Full Frame ($1,798)
Steve Spencer wrote:
That would be a good option, but another puzzling aspect of this camera seems to be how little the touch function can be used for the menus and playback and review. That limitation may well prevent the Fuji approach.
Yeah, the piss-poor touch implementation that's been par for the course on Sony with the exception of the A7SIII is a limiter for that.
Of course they could have implemented the new menu & touch system (and I know that Sony's claims that the new menu wouldn't work on the old processor is BS, menus are not high CPU/RAM items. The specific code might not work, but they could have implemented a better designed touch UI on the older hardware platform if they were willing to do the dev cycles)
- and that is regarding the magnification and size. 
