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p.4 #1 · Nikon 70-200 f2.8S images thread.


Went to my local store to pick up my TC. They happened to have JJC AF extension tube for Z mount in stock so I played a bit with it there.
http://www.jjc.cc/index.php/Product/product_info/id/2434

So I tried it with my 70-200/2.8S with stacked 11 and 16mm extension tube at 200mm, f2.8 .
At minimum focusing distance, subject is a little over a foot from front of the lens.
My guess is that at 200mm minimum focusing distance, I probably could get close to 1:2 maginifcation, may be





Sep 03, 2020 at 03:22 AM
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Somewhat off topic... A camera system for the African outdoors can take one (or more) of several setups of at least 2 cameras and 3+ lenses. Most trips only work in savannas. 2 cameras with complementary reach in attached lenses make a useful pair. Pack 2 cameras for redundancy in reach / contexts and equally in case of strike by electric/mechanical gremlin, or dropped rig etc. Pack a CPL for each lens eg 77mm + 82mm. If travelling on water especially makoro in the Okavango Delta, consider a pelican case for the gear of the day, or a tested dry bag.
It is also wise to have redundancy in reach for the same reasons eg medium tele zoom or 2, and a 300 or 400 prime (or longer). With access to either of its paired TCs, the 70-200 f2.8S should perform very well indeed in many African situations (subject to demands in action scenes). Like them or not, I have learnt a TC14 and the other TCs are essential.
The key factors include:

> Prevailing Light , and how often one shoots in lowlight. In savannas one often gets away for 1/1000, f5.6 or higher f-stop with ISO ell under 800-1000. In the gloaming, shadows etc ISO climbs swiftly especially shooting with f5.6 (or slower with a TC).

> Subject Distances. From hide and/or vehicle (including boat) a 70-200/70-300/80-400 is very useful. the 200-500 f5.6E is a firm favourite of several wildlife photographers based in the region, and this is understandable; so is a Tamron or Sigma zoom. Equally a 300 f4 PF with TC14, and 300 f2.8 does very well too, including with TC14 or when needed TC2 III. This applies particularly in savannas. You will very very likely need more reach for smaller mammals, and details of the largest species. I often need a 800 or more. In rain forests, riparian reach is often more important, and there will always be shadows even on the hottest sunniest day. For many subjects a recent Nikon DSLR will work well, and/or a Z. A D850 is most flexible with cropping where needed, and I also shoot mine in 1:1 format.

> Action. One never can predict how far or near, nor When! Be prepared. And so above all else know your gear, and try and predict settings for a pending opportunity [I also rely on switching Photobanks by scrolling + Red-record button on a D850] A lighter rig eg D500 with 500 PF, or 80-400 G is ideal. Equally with 70-200 f2.8E+TC14 III, but then the scene can move rapidly away into 600mm range and more.. I use the 400 f2.8E with any of the 3 TCs, and/or a 300 PF. Equally 500 PF and have TC14 close to hand. Nikon's top tier DSLRs will deliver and in uncluttered habitats a Z6 or Z7, but there's a much higher chance the AF will discombobulate itself on clutter/background. Personal experience D850 and D500 are superb. A D5 or D6 will be even better.

> Macro if it rains in savannas especially semi-arid then there will be a wealth of opportunities in arthropods and herps. So pack a 60mm or other Micro-Nikkor which can double up for landscapes. I also pack a Hahnel Modus 600RT N. I find the chargeable batteries last weeks with occasional use. I I also have a Phottix collapsing whitebox; its elasticized hood clamps on to the flash. Or use a LED ring light.

> General & Landscapes , including dramatic clouds, sunrises/sunsets etc. Highly personal choice depending on style ie 24-70, 14-30 f4S etc I always take a 18-35 G because it's so light and takes 77mm filters. If there's a possibility of more serious landscape opportunities then the Zeiss 15 f2.8AIP and/or 21 f2.8AIP. The Nisi grad filter system works well.

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True, when I was in Kenya, the majority of time, even my lowly Z7 with horrible AF (according to some people ) would do just fine. At that time A7r iii with 100-400 certainly produced beautiful image and was more than capable most of the time. I even got some decent shots with GFX 50s (really wish Fuji released 250mm before that trip).
If Covid did not happened, I could see myself being very excited with D850 + 500/4e FL, GFX100 + 250/4, A7r IV + 100-400GM back in June. By next year if we can travel normally, may
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Sep 03, 2020 at 05:35 AM
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Here is my little setup for TCx2 with 70-200/2.8S



I focused on the backrest of the chairs which are about 100 odd meters away by my guess.

Here are the result with 100% cropped. Top pictures are from the center where I focused the picture and bottom are from right edge of the picture at the same plane as focus point.



Z for 70-200/2.8S + TC2.0 F5.6, E for Sony 100-400 GM @F 5.6 using Techart E to Z AF adapter, F for 70-200/2.8e FL + TC20e iii F5.6

On tripod, VR off, 5s delay. For some reasons, Sony was taken at 1/20 while 70-200/2.8S + TC was taken at 1/15 so I boosted exposure on Sony picture by .25 stops (or whatever +.25 on exposure bar in ACR is) and used 100-400 lens profile in PS for lens correction, otherwise, I did not manipulate raw file in anyway. Lens profile on Nikon were baked in already as far as I know. With Sony lens, despite .25 stop lift, it is still darker probably because its T-stop is not 5.6 from what I remember and is a bit dimmer. All was taken at iso64.

At the very least it is clear that 70-200/2.8e FL + TC20e iii is quite a bit behind the competition. I totally blame the TC rather than the lens though. The Sony and 70-200/2.8S +TC are neck and neck. For what its worth, if I remember correctly DXO measured Sony 100-400GM and its sharpness score was higher than Canon 200-400/4 even.



Sep 03, 2020 at 06:32 AM
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chambeshi wrote:
Somewhat off topic... A camera system for the African outdoors can take one (or more) of several setups of at least 2 cameras and 3+ lenses. Most trips only work in savannas. 2 cameras with complementary reach in attached lenses make a useful pair. Pack 2 cameras for redundancy in reach / contexts and equally in case of strike by electric/mechanical gremlin, or dropped rig etc. Pack a CPL for each lens eg 77mm + 82mm. If travelling on water especially makoro in the Okavango Delta, consider a pelican case for the gear of the day, or a tested dry
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Thanks for your very thoughtful input. Hopefully next June, I would be able to travel. Already bought extra seat on small planes from Maun to camps that I plan to stay and will be flying BC from Bangkok to Cape Town so weight is not an issue really. I just want to bring everything
Locally here I do mostly bird photography so one lens is pretty much all I need. Safari is different and I only been to Kenya once before so every input is appreciated. I sold my D500 when I got D850. Then a big opps that I sold my D850 when I got D6. Z7s hopefully will be available before my trip and I hope Nikon can deliver on AF with dedicated processor for AF but actually, if anything, I wish Z7s buffer will be larger with better refresh rate on EVF and I will be a happy camper. Otherwise, may be A7r IV with 100-400 might still be a better choice and Z7 can be a back up body to either D6/A7r IV if neccessary But if anything slow enough and close enough comes by, GFX100 with 250/4 +/- TC will be a lot of fun



Sep 03, 2020 at 06:40 AM
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Suteetat,
Since ISO 64 is the base ISO for the Nikon cameras but base ISO for the Sony is 100 this may be the cause of you exposure differences.

In any case, it is great to see such fine optics becoming available for the different camera systems.



Sep 03, 2020 at 08:56 AM
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1bwana1 wrote:
Suteetat,
Since ISO 64 is the base ISO for the Nikon cameras but base ISO for the Sony is 100 this may be the cause of you exposure differences.

In any case, it is great to see such fine optics becoming available for the different camera systems.


All was taken with Nikon Z7. I used Techart E mount to Z mount adapter to use Sony 100-400GM with Z7 so base iso should not be an issue. Some people may say that 100-400 won't perform 100% with Z7 due to difference in sensor cover thickness. However, I think that the issue is more pronounced with wide angle rather than telephoto lens ( based on my experieince using quite a lot of M glasses on Sony in the past). At least, this way it is easier than using A7r IV then try to reduce the size to match MP etc etc.





Sep 03, 2020 at 09:12 AM
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I am really happy about getting these as Platypus are quite rare to see in the wild and even when they are in a zoo, like these at Taronga Zoo, they are shy and generally only come out at dusk and dawn to hunt for things like freshwater crayfish. It was also with great delight that I saw this guy catch a freshawater cray while I was there!! They are really cute little fellas and its a real treat to see one of the world's truly unusual creatures. The Platypus is a Monotreme which is an egg laying mammal that suckles it's young with milk. There are only five types of Monotreme in the world all living in Australia, the other four being types of echidna.

I have only ever caught a glimpse of Platypus in the wild and never a hope of getting a photo of one.

I wish I had remembered to put my polarizer in the bag before I left for the zoo!

Z7 + 70-200 f2.8S, 1/640s f/4.5 at 115.0mm iso2500







Z7 + 70-200 f2.8S, 1/640s f/4.5 at 92.0mm iso2000







Z7 + 70-200 f2.8S, 1/640s f/4.5 at 70.0mm iso1400







Z7 + 70-200 f2.8S, 1/640s f/4.0 at 160.0mm iso900







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Sep 04, 2020 at 03:33 AM
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Good news - my lens has just shipped. Bad news - it's Covid time + long weekend, so Canada Post donkey caravan will take 10 days to get from ON to BC.


Sep 04, 2020 at 04:22 PM
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Z7 + 70-200 f2.8S, 1/100s f/4.0 at 165.0mm iso200







100% crop of above







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Sep 04, 2020 at 06:38 PM
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Great photos with this lens. Waiting for it to become available. Help me with 100% crop. I don’t think that way. Your shot was at 165mm. What would the crop equivalent be in mm?


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FrankA373 wrote:
Great photos with this lens.


Thank you very much, Frank.

Waiting for it to become available. Help me with 100% crop. I don’t think that way. Your shot was at 165mm. What would the crop equivalent be in mm?

The reasoning behind the 100% crop is that it is like looking at the image at full res of the image, but just part of it. The reason for looking at it at this size is to determine how well the lens can resolve. The full image size is from a Z7 is 8256 x 5504 pixels and thus will not fit onto a computer screen. If your screen is UHD or 4k, then it is 3840 x 2160 pixels and you can see that you would only see part of the original Z7 image if you viewed the original image at 100%. So, a 100% crop is just like looking at that part of the image if you looked at it on a 4k screen and thus you see how well the lens can resolve.

Now, as for how that translates into actual focal length equivalent is another story as that is not really the reasoning behind why I posted a 100% crop. However, if we take the linear vertical pixels of the image which is 2160 pixels and compare that to the vertical pixels of the original image which is 5504, then we see that the resultant ficgure is 2.548 times that of the cropped image meaning you are 2.548 times closer than that of the 165mm focal length. So, this would probably mean a focal length of 2.548 x 165mm or 420mm.



Sep 05, 2020 at 12:52 AM
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Thanks for the help. I get the math now. For me printIng is the reason to take photos. Knowing that the Z7 and it’s lenses can take cropping and still get good prints is a plus. I can keep my travel kit reasonably light.


Sep 05, 2020 at 10:09 AM
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Some more random 70-200 f2.8S shots under various conditions and using the 1.4x TC.

Z7 + 70-200 f2.8S + 1.4x TC, 1/640s f/5.6 at 280.0mm iso64







Z7 + 70-200 f2.8S + 1.4x TC, 1/640s f/5.6 at 230.0mm iso64







100% crop of above







Z7 + 70-200 f2.8S + 1.4x TC, 1/640s f/5.6 at 280.0mm iso64







100% crop of above







Z7 + 70-200 f2.8S, 1/80s f/4.0 at 200.0mm iso800







Using Wide-L AF.

Z7 + 70-200 f2.8S + 1.4x TC, 1/3200s f/5.6 at 280.0mm iso450







100% crop of above







Z7 + 70-200 f2.8S, 1/80s f/4.5 at 103.0mm iso500







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Sep 07, 2020 at 04:22 AM
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p.4 #14 · Nikon 70-200 f2.8S images thread.


Lance B wrote:
Some more random 70-200 f2.8S shots under various conditions and using the 1.4x TC.


That looks really good. 1.4 TC makes 70-200 f2.8 a 100-280 f4 lens?




Sep 07, 2020 at 12:37 PM
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lukemeup wrote:
That looks really good. 1.4 TC makes 70-200 f2.8 a 100-280 f4 lens?



Thank you very much, Luke. Yes, a great 100-280 f4 lens.



Sep 07, 2020 at 04:56 PM
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Finally got a couple of pigeons to cooperate with trying out 70-200/2.8s with 1.4TC.
Here are 100% cropped from my Z7.



Left is at F4, right at F8.



Sep 07, 2020 at 09:02 PM
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Noticeable improvement stopping down.

I think Thailand has Nicobar pigeons also. One of my favorite birds.

Next time post those please....



Sep 07, 2020 at 09:36 PM
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1bwana1 wrote:
Noticeable improvement stopping down.

I think Thailand has Nicobar pigeons also. One of my favorite birds.

Next time post those please....

F8 is pretty impressive. Also I would need F8 to get the whole pigeon in focus also. At F4, if I focus on the head, 80% of the pigeons will be out of focus

2 places for Nicobar pigeons that I know of, one in a zoo and on Similan island.
Too bad, I used to go to the Similans a lot for scuba diving for 30 odd years before I got interested in
bird photography but stopped going
there now because of number of tourists. Supposedly plenty of those pigeons hanging out behind the kitchen on Koh 4 there
Some friends took their pictures using their phones even.



Sep 07, 2020 at 09:44 PM
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suteetat wrote:

Finally got a couple of pigeons to cooperate with trying out 70-200/2.8s with 1.4TC.
Here are 100% cropped from my Z7.

https://morboi.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Untitled-3.jpg


Left is at F4, right at F8.


Wide open looks just fine too me... If we didn't see the stopped down version, the 100% at f/4 would be described as sharp. Furthermore, who looks at a 100% crop to assess the quality of image/composition. My point... w/ a converter it appears that the 70--200 f/2.8 would be an equally good 105-280mm f/4.
Nikon now needs to release the Z6s/Z7s so that we can see how fast the lens can focus when subjects are on the move.

regards,
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Sep 08, 2020 at 05:37 AM
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OwlsEyes wrote:
Wide open looks just fine too me... If we didn't see the stopped down version, the 100% at f/4 would be described as sharp. Furthermore, who looks at a 100% crop to assess the quality of image/composition. My point... w/ a converter it appears that the 70--200 f/2.8 would be an equally good 105-280mm f/4.
Nikon now needs to release the Z6s/Z7s so that we can see how fast the lens can focus when subjects are on the move.

regards,
bruce


I certainly am very interested in the Z7s. Interestingly enough, I talked to my local dealer today who happens to work closely with Nikon and often a beta tester for some products for Nikon. I told him that may be it was a mistake to sell my D850 when I bought D6 as there are times when D850 might be preferable over D6. So I told him to keep a look out for me for any decent used D850. Basically he told me not to buy anything else yet at least until Z7s comes out. He did not tell me anything much
except that I should be pleasantly surprised by its AF, whatever that means. May be he would rather sell me a new body rather than a used one

One interesting side note though, it appears to me that 70-200/2.8s + TCx2 does not really give any up to Sony 100-400GM and seems to be brighter as well. Now if 70-200/2.8s + TCx2 outperform Nikon 100-400s on the roadmap, there is probably not much point in releasing it.

Another observation, one weakness of Z7 AF is that once it grabs onto the background, it rarely if ever move AF back to a subject in the foreground unless I point the camera down to the ground so it would refocus to closer distance. 70-200/2.8s seems to break this trend finally.



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