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Archive 2020 · In Stock: Sigma 85mm f/1.4 DG DN Art ($1,199)

  
 
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wittyphrase wrote:
Huh. That’s unfortunate. Meaning in the frame or literally anywhere in front of the sensor?



Anywhere at all if in front of the lens. I could only get it to go away if I made an extreme reposition but that totally killed the look I was going for. I've never had this issue with any other lens I've owned in the past.



Sep 08, 2020 at 06:48 PM
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TBH, the 85 GM was the first Sony GM prime, and it's not quite as exciting as the two most recent ones: the 24 GM and the 135 GM. Kind of like the 35mm Art was Sigma's first Art prime, and didn't really measure up to its successors.

So yes, I'm interested. I like the 85mm focal length. I tried the Batis (didn't like it), and I have the FE 85 f/1.8 and the GM 85 f/1.4. The idea of a Sigma Art that is smaller and lighter than the GM is intriguing.

I have used Art Primes on DSLRs (both
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I don't quite agree here. The FE 85/1.4 GM was designed as a dedicated portrait lens. It's intentionally under-corrected for spherical aberration while the FE 135/1.8 GM has different design priorities since it's also a sports/action lens.

From the samples I've seen so far, the Sigma 85/1.4 DG DN renders similarly to the FE 135/1.8 GM where resolution and contrast were top design priorities. Rendering is pleasant and neutral but without that extra smooth SA present in wide open images from the FE 85/1.4 GM.

In some ways, I see the Sigma 85/1.4 as a mini 135/1.8 GM for applications that benefit from very high resolution/contrast wide open and fast AF operation.



Sep 08, 2020 at 07:08 PM
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T_Gordon wrote:
Anywhere at all if in front of the lens. I could only get it to go away if I made an extreme reposition but that totally killed the look I was going for. I've never had this issue with any other lens I've owned in the past.


One can definitely see the difference in Manny's video here, check the backlit comparison:






Sep 08, 2020 at 07:40 PM
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Duplicate.


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Sep 08, 2020 at 07:40 PM
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As soon as someone is paying/sponsoring the video it is become not true, not trustworthy. As any, any comecial.


Sep 08, 2020 at 07:55 PM
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vdo1 wrote:
One can definitely see the difference in Manny's video here, check the backlit comparison:



Manny’s example is quite mild compared to what I saw in actual use. Once the sun (or a strong light source) gets lower into the sensor plane, the lens flare is so strong it literally washes out the image. It’s extremely prevalent during golden hour backlit scenes.



Sep 08, 2020 at 08:58 PM
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T_Gordon wrote:
Manny’s example is quite mild compared to what I saw in actual use. Once the sun (or a strong light source) gets lower into the sensor plane, the lens flare is so strong it literally washes out the image. It’s extremely prevalent during golden hour backlit scenes.


Anything like this?

https://flic.kr/p/MsKtiB

Then you can think of yourself as beeing the proud owner of an AF 85mm Zeiss Milvus




Sep 08, 2020 at 09:39 PM
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Jochenb wrote:
Well as usual for me I got a decentered copy. Not that my 85/1.8 is perfect, at least it’s not as bad as this copy of the Sigma. Always so frustrating.


This stuff scares me, especially since I got a good copy of the Samyang so would be a big risk selling it.



Sep 08, 2020 at 10:02 PM
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vdo1 wrote:
Anything like this?

https://flic.kr/p/MsKtiB

Then you can think of yourself as beeing the proud owner of an AF 85mm Zeiss Milvus



No, very harsh pinpointed. Here's an example. https://ibb.co/jk3Gsgt <--- This is a SOOC .jpg just shrunk.



Sep 09, 2020 at 12:20 AM
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I just ordered this lens because the reviews I watched all said it was so good against sun and decreased flare...


Sep 09, 2020 at 12:49 AM
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Fred Miranda wrote:
I don't quite agree here. The FE 85/1.4 GM was designed as a dedicated portrait lens. It's intentionally under-corrected for spherical aberration while the FE 135/1.8 GM has different design priorities since it's also a sports/action lens.

From the samples I've seen so far, the Sigma 85/1.4 DG DN renders similarly to the FE 135/1.8 GM where resolution and contrast were top design priorities. Rendering is pleasant and neutral but without that extra smooth SA present in FE 85/1.4 GM wide open images.

In some ways, I see the Sigma 85/1.4 as a mini 135/1.8 GM for applications that benefit
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Exactly! The new Sigma reminds me of 135GM in the style of pictures it produces.
Sadly, AF is not really comparable.



Sep 09, 2020 at 12:54 AM
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T_Gordon wrote:
No, very harsh pinpointed. Here's an example. https://ibb.co/jk3Gsgt <--- This is a SOOC .jpg just shrunk.


I didn't test mine agains the sun too much, but I did notice some ghosting... Hard to say though if it's worse or better than average, as I think every lens will flare if you try hard enough. I'd say the loss of contrast and veiling flare are rather on the smaller side (which would be in line with the reviews I read) with some ghosting noticeable, but I'll need to take my filter off and shoot into the sun more to be sure...



Sep 09, 2020 at 01:10 AM
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T_Gordon wrote:
Manny’s example is quite mild compared to what I saw in actual use. Once the sun (or a strong light source) gets lower into the sensor plane, the lens flare is so strong it literally washes out the image. It’s extremely prevalent during golden hour backlit scenes.


The Samyang might be even worse in those conditions

I was taken this one a few weeks ago

JNM07913 by Juanma Herrera, en Flickr

Just before that, I took a similar one of my friend, but used my hand just after the lens hood to further prevent flare and gain contrast.

JNM07898 by Juanma Herrera, en Flickr

One more sample of the crazy flare of the samyang

Sin título by Juanma Herrera, en Flickr

Some times it gives the photos a nice artistic look.

The best performing (less flare) lens I have used in this focal length is the Batis 85.



Sep 09, 2020 at 01:30 AM
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I would disagree, or at least haven't experienced lens flare markedly worse or better than any other lens when shooting with direct sun in the background.



















Sep 09, 2020 at 01:32 AM
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Photosbydlee wrote:
This stuff scares me, especially since I got a good copy of the Samyang so would be a big risk selling it.


I wouldn't sell your Samyang until you find a good copy of the Sigma. It's always a lottery.

Apart from the decentering my initial impressions are that this lens does have faster AF than both the GM and Samyang.
It's not as fast as the 135 GM or 85/1.8 though.
The distortion is something I knew about before buying and can be corrected in post, but wow it still looks so weird when shooting with it. I've never used an 85 with such strong distortion.

I can't really comment about flaring/ghosting because of lack of sunshine during my testing.

My copy is going back without any doubt, because of the decentering.




Sep 09, 2020 at 03:02 AM
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Jochenb wrote:
I wouldn't sell your Samyang until you find a good copy of the Sigma. It's always a lottery.

Apart from the decentering my initial impressions are that this lens does have faster AF than both the GM and Samyang.
It's not as fast as the 135 GM or 85/1.8 though.
The distortion is something I knew about before buying and can be corrected in post, but wow it still looks so weird when shooting with it. I've never used an 85 with such strong distortion.

I can't really comment about flaring/ghosting because of lack of sunshine during my testing.

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I went through this discussion when I was looking at buying the Samyang too, here in Aus we don’t have any 14 day return period if we change our mind. Sadly we can only return something if it’s defective. If for example I got a decenterered lens, they would send it back to the manufacturer for repair. Only then if it’s not repairable we can usually get a brand new replacement or refund.

For me I’m actually happy with the IQ of the Samyang, I’m just not sure if it would last as long as the Sigma build/quality wise.

Will you try another copy?



Sep 09, 2020 at 04:48 AM
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Photosbydlee wrote:
I went through this discussion when I was looking at buying the Samyang too, here in Aus we don’t have any 14 day return period if we change our mind. Sadly we can only return something if it’s defective. If for example I got a decenterered lens, they would send it back to the manufacturer for repair. Only then if it’s not repairable we can usually get a brand new replacement or refund.

For me I’m actually happy with the IQ of the Samyang, I’m just not sure if it would last as long as the Sigma build/quality wise.

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Oh no that must be very annoying! We can return items without having to go through that whole process. I would be even more worried when ordering new lenses.

I'm not sure yet if I'll get another copy.
I'll have to test the AF in better light first. If it's not near the 85/1.8 I'd rather keep using that one and maybe try to get a decent 85 GM instead for the more static stuff.



Sep 09, 2020 at 06:28 AM
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j4nu wrote:
I didn't test mine agains the sun too much, but I did notice some ghosting... Hard to say though if it's worse or better than average, as I think every lens will flare if you try hard enough. I'd say the loss of contrast and veiling flare are rather on the smaller side (which would be in line with the reviews I read) with some ghosting noticeable, but I'll need to take my filter off and shoot into the sun more to be sure...


This wasn't even trying to find it. It was extremely profound at all angles instantly. With or without the lens hood on. I've owned hundreds of lenses in the past and this is the first one that has had a legitimate problem with flaring.



Sep 09, 2020 at 07:40 AM
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I got my lens today but the sky is covered due to the wildfires and it is almost dusk looking with weird orange tinge .. so no direct sunlight to shot into


Sep 09, 2020 at 02:22 PM
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The reviews on amazon are not too good. There is a cheaper version that got better reviews but these are so subjective. So I ordered one of each and will report back

mark1958 wrote:
It states the same as on Kickstarter

✔️ UNIVERSAL FIT - ULHgo is the medium sized and most popular ULH lens hood and will fit any lens with a diameter of 50mm or more. Fitting lenses with filter threads of 49/52mm, up to 82mm and any make including all the most popular brands Cannon, Olympus, Panasonic, Pentax and Nikkon.
✔️ ANTI REFLECTIONS - The ULHgo is the perfect alternative to a polarising lens filter helping to make perfect clear crisp glare free images through windows without having to photoshop images after the event. The versatile size of the ULHgo means it
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