p.3 #1 · Canon issued a statment regarding the overheating of the R5
The problems with adding a fan are not just the size, weight and weather sealing, but also the addition of a wearing part and especially the noise. My Sony RX10 makes a faint but constant noise when powered up, which is said to be part of the IS. It very much annoys me to the extent that any stills camera with active cooling would be on my do-not-buy list from now on. Finally, electronics with fans collect dust inside.
p.3 #2 · Canon issued a statment regarding the overheating of the R5
I have no interest in video and would never consider buying a camera that compromises factors like size, weight, durability, or ease of use for stills in order to implement video features. I don't mind a camera having video if those features are basically invisible when the camera is used for stills, as on recent Canon DSLRs like the 5DSR or 5DIV. I also don't want to pay a lot more for a features I'll never use.
I suspect the reason the R5 has 45MP instead of a higher resolution, and an AA filter, has to do with the 8K video implementation. I also think the camera's price reflects technical measures required for the video implementation and the desirability (whether that's real or not) of the video features. All of that puts me off a bit since I don't need or want any of it. But adding the size, weight, complexity, price, and lack of reliability inherent in active cooling would make the camera DOA for me. I might represent a minority, but I know lots of people who wouldn't want to compromise these things to have fantastic video features.
p.3 #3 · Canon issued a statment regarding the overheating of the R5
pmjm wrote:
They could have built a fan and vent into the bottom of the body, then designed a battery grip that disables it and blocks off the vent for proper weather sealing. That way you please the still photographers who need to go all day long, AND the video shooters with a cooling system for the camera. A decent compromise.
Not a bad idea actually, I'm sure various iterations of this were on Canons drawing boards over the past several years.
But then you'd have people crying about the noisy fan and vibrations while they're recording that 8K video. Right after they finished crying about the cost of their 2TB cards of course.
p.3 #4 · Canon issued a statment regarding the overheating of the R5
You cannot have just one area with vent as the air has to enter from somewhere and flow through the internal space of the camera and around the components that are generating the heat and then exit from somewhere. If there were just one vent, the air would not move sufficiently through the insides of the camera, unless combined with some kind of plumbing to direct the air along a certain path, or the camera is built so that there are numerous areas where air can leak in or out (which would mean not weather sealed). Two vents on opposite sides of the camera would work.
45MP is a good resolution for still photography giving very high quality images. It's a bit excessive for most people's video applications. It's likely that the resolution was selected due to the sensor being a dual pixel sensor (the 50 MP 5Ds (R) sensor is not dual pixel, so it's just 50MP) for AF; if they had specified 100 MP output resolution, it would have meant a 200-million photosite sensor would have had to be used and this would have increased the amount of processing that would be required by the camera and slow it down, so the 12 and 20 fps would not have been possible. 45MP at 12-20 fps is likely at the limit of current technology.
Are you 14 years old, calling someone a “fanboy” because he dissed your dad humor?
I have equipment from Sony, Nikon, Canon, etc. Whatever works.
Cheers.
p.3 #6 · Canon issued a statment regarding the overheating of the R5
I am buying this camera for video and photo. I would never buy this camera if it had active cooling. If I end up needing long form 4k60 or 8k, I will attach a cooling fan to it, rather than bringing one around in the camera at all times.
p.3 #8 · Canon issued a statment regarding the overheating of the R5
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p.3 #9 · Canon issued a statment regarding the overheating of the R5
ilkka_nissila wrote:
45MP is a good resolution for still photography giving very high quality images. It's a bit excessive for most people's video applications. It's likely that the resolution was selected due to the sensor being a dual pixel sensor (the 50 MP 5Ds (R) sensor is not dual pixel, so it's just 50MP) for AF; if they had specified 100 MP output resolution, it would have meant a 200-million photosite sensor would have had to be used and this would have increased the amount of processing that would be required by the camera and slow it down, so the 12 and 20 fps would not have been possible. 45MP at 12-20 fps is likely at the limit of current technology. ...Show more →
I understand that, but I've been shooting landscapes with a 50MP 5DSR since July 2015. Lots of "us" have been waiting for the long promised but never delivered 5DSR replacement, with higher resolution, more DR, etc., for years. If Canon has chosen an AF technology (DPAF) that limits their ability to make such a camera one is still forced to look elsewhere for resolutions higher than 45 MP. The main alternative comes with the bonus (for still shooters) of not having an AA filter. All of this is frustrating when the other guys have had a 61MP camera for a year already. I know the R5 will be a great all purpose camera, but it's not exactly nirvana for low ISO landscape shooters.
If not for COVID-19 cancelling my 2020 plans (probably well into 2021) I'd have already bought a Sony A7R-IV. Now that I've waited for the R5 I'm interested in it for wildlife. For landscape the Sony A7R-IV still has obvious advantages.
p.3 #10 · Canon issued a statment regarding the overheating of the R5
mikeinctown wrote:
Personally I think it is way overblown... It just seems people are complaining about something that they aren't going to utilize a whole lot of anyway,
and if they are, then buy something more suited to the task.
Excellent Summation! Agreed 'In-full' 200%.
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I can't help but think... That 90% of the people out there 'probably' only use 10% of the Feature-set --
That Cameras like the EOS R5 offer.
It kind of reminds me of the Grandmother that I saw in the park some time back.
She was snapping away with her Nikon D850 'like crazy'. So... I went to say 'Hello'.
She of course, was blasting away in Program Mode, JPEG 'Basic' Quality.
p.3 #14 · Canon issued a statment regarding the overheating of the R5
mikeinctown wrote:
Personally I think it is way overblown. The amount of data alone that 8k or even 4k 120 produces means people will only be recording a few minutes at a time. Then there is the massive amount of processing power and memory needed for the desktop or laptop to actually use and process the videos. It just seems people are complaining about something that they aren't going to utilize a whole lot of anyway, and if they are, then buy something more suited to the task.
I really don't mind the asterisks on specs but Canon should have just laid it all out clearly right at the beginning. Then there would have been no need for the CYA maneuvers from them. Spilling the truth from the onset only helps them, IMO, while misleading people only hurts them. Not that Canon is the only manufacturer of many, many things to do this.
p.3 #16 · Canon issued a statment regarding the overheating of the R5
It doesn't matter if they use only 10% of the feature set of the R5. What is important is the incredible subject-detection eye AF, 1053 phase-detect AF points covering the entire frame, 12-20 frames-per-second in full 45MP, 6-8 stops of image stabilization, 5.67m dot viewfinder, a very nice new 45MP sensor, a slot for CF-card and UHS II SD card, amazing ergonomics, compact size and weight, and solidly built! Not to mention the 8K video which I personally don't care for. These super-important "features" will come into play every time one turns on the camera. How many top-end flagship cameras today can match those specs? Answer: None. Nada. Zilch. The closest one is not even close! The R5 rocks and is worth the asking price. Thank you, Canon for putting out the R5 and R6 ... and it was about time! But it's certainly worth the wait! Go Canon!
And the sensor is covered/closed when you shut down the camera, which is a really nice touch, as exposed sensors are dust magnets. Just ask any Sony shooter if you don't believe me.
Takira71A wrote:
I can't help but think... That 90% of the people out there 'probably' only use 10% of the Feature-set --
That Cameras like the EOS R5 offer.
p.3 #17 · Canon issued a statment regarding the overheating of the R5
PicGuy wrote:
I really don't mind the asterisks on specs but Canon should have just laid it all out clearly right at the beginning. Then there would have been no need for the CYA maneuvers from them. Spilling the truth from the onset only helps them, IMO, while misleading people only hurts them. Not that Canon is the only manufacturer of many, many things to do this.
Apparently it is not hurting the pre sales. I've read a few posts here and there people are getting emails saying it will be delayed. I guess it is the 8K market that is upset? How many of them were planning to shoot hr+ long documentaries at 8K?
Has anyone seen Attenborough's Our Planet series in 4K? I have on my Panasonic OLED. Pretty spectacular.
p.3 #18 · Canon issued a statment regarding the overheating of the R5
Zenon Char wrote:
Apparently it is not hurting the pre sales. I've read a few posts here and there people are getting emails saying it will be delayed. I guess it is the 8K market that is upset? How many of them were planning to shoot hr+ long documentaries at 8K?
Has anyone seen Attenborough's Our Planet series in 4K? I have on my Panasonic OLED. Pretty spectacular.
Overall, I like that Canon has gotten very aggressive with the capability of the R5. It has been a long time since I have seen them do this with a new camera body. I also like that they realized they needed to get ahead of this issue and released a detailed statement on it.
We switched all the TVs in the house here to 4k. While the increased resolution is nice, I think I like the better color rendition as much if not more. I have a computer connected to every TV and 4k resolution makes for a fantastic monitor. I use Autocad for work and switched to 40"-43" 4k TVs years ago. They are better than any high dollar dedicated computer monitor for this use and at a fraction of the cost.
p.3 #20 · Canon issued a statment regarding the overheating of the R5
PicGuy wrote:
I really don't mind the asterisks on specs but Canon should have just laid it all out clearly right at the beginning. Then there would have been no need for the CYA maneuvers from them. Spilling the truth from the onset only helps them, IMO, while misleading people only hurts them. Not that Canon is the only manufacturer of many, many things to do this.
They did lay it out at the beginning. In fact they laid it out in their official announcement and 3 weeks before the camera came out and before preorders were allowed. They did leak info that 8k was indeed a feature set, but I don't think I saw anyone on line or in person ever saying that there wouldn't be a time limit. I mean really, don't they say those 20 minutes take up nearly 500 gigs of memory? That is an insane amount of memory needed if people really think they are going to record hours of wedding footage.
