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p.1 #1 · Nikon D780 for WIldlife Photography


I tested a D780 briefly in my local shop in early March; then I read up and weighed options through the pandemic lockdown. I narrowed down the choices/criteria to the peculiar demands of local conditions in which I stalk and photograph wildlife subjects - ranking 3 key factors for my local needs.

#1 higher ISO performance that is better than the D850 & Z7
(2) D5-D500 level AFC
and not least #3 access to Silent-Shooting and these instances cannot be predicted.

On paper, the Z6 specs of the D780 suffice for #1 and #3, with the added positives of the cloned Z6 AFC system with Silent Mode. Factor #2 is contingent on how well the combination of D5 AFC algorithms + EXPEED6 deliver in a "D3 modified" AF sensor [edit: more specifically the third generation of the 3500-series module.

Anyways, last week I took up the Special offer by Nikon running through June. I also decided the time had arrived to trade in the Z7, pending Nikon releasing a 2nd generation FX Prosumer Z. (To attract buyers/upgraders this Z8 must deliver D5 spec AFC prowess and greatly improve on current Firmware, especially the expanding options in Custom controls to catch up to the D5/D6.) In summary, the new D780 was almost a direct swop for a 1 1/2 year old Z7, which had seen almost daily use.

So far my decision confirms the recent detailed reviews: namely, Photography Blog, Photography Life, SLR Lounge and Thom Hogan’s. It really helps when the author actually tests the D780 properly, and takes the time to write a summary of their findings and how its performance and specs etc compare to the D750 and current options (including the Z6). AFC delivers, Silent-shooting works very well via Lv in my contexts. Preliminary IQ of images shot deliberately at ISOs > 3200 through 6400 to 12800 and 25600 confirm the technical evidence eg https://www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/RN_ADU.htm#Nikon%20D4S_14,Nikon%20D5_14,Nikon%20D750_14,Nikon%20D780_14,Nikon%20D850_14

I most certainly have criticisms of the D780. They include gaps in Menu options, No viewfinder dark-curtain, and No Grip. The Fn button is hard to reach with the bottom finger because it is positioned too low (unlike D500 and D850) (Why, oh why does Nikon mess up what works?). The biggest gap in custom-menu options is that the D780 cannot map AF functions to a hotkey. This poor design by Nikon stands out compared against to many options to assign exposure settings with Pv, Fn etc. [EDITed]

Thus with the D780, in the F3 Menu options, you cannot assign AF-On+AF mode to any Fn button (ie AE-AF Lock, AF-On, Fn, Pv)! In summary, you have the choice of 34 options for Pv and Fn1; AE-AFL has 7 options; AF-On has 6 options; Brkt has 4 only; and a paltry 2 functions can be mapped to the Red Record Button. [see e-Manual pages 628-629].

As the D780 stands, Nikon can do much better to upgrade the menu options. Most importantly, these Firmware fixes should sell more cameras. Currently, Nikon's shoddy design constrains realizing the rich potential of the AF system – for Action genres especially. After all, the D780 brochure emphasizes how the D780 is ideal to shoot action scenes.


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Jun 10, 2020 at 09:31 AM
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p.1 #2 · Nikon D780 for WIldlife Photography


Gaps aside, the D780 is a highly refined Nikon camera (excepting paucity of options to assign custom AF-modes!). Not everyone will appreciate/need its combination of features, but too few appear to recognize how the D780 fills a unique niche. It bridges the F and Z ecosystems. (Albeit it cannot use any of the excellent Z Nikkors.)

So far, nowhere have I read anyone underscore that the D780 e-Manual has almost doubled the # pages beyond the D750 manual. Compared to the dated D750, the Nikon is a very different camera. Menu options have expanded significantly since 2014. This is besides all the new Lv and video functions Nikon has blended into this DSLR. The major game change is Nikon's merging some of the best features ported from the core of the Z system. The obvious two are the AF-enabled Z6 sensor with its AF capabilities, and the i-Menu (customizable for OVF and LV modes). The D5 type AFC works very well in OVF mode. Compared to the D500 and D850, I find the key difference (so far) is the smaller window of AF points; but having used Nikon for 3+ decades this is not a handicap. [EDIT a F90x was my very first experience of AF]

In due course, I will clean up the notes / points I've jotted down, as some wildlife photographers might be interested in reading how the D780 works out with more intensive testing. 4-5 years ago I bought a Used Df primarily for its D4 sensor in low light, and the IQ it delivered is confirmed in several of my wildlife keepers. One way to view the D780 for wildlife is how this affordable hybrid DSLR delivers almost D5 level IQ at much less than the cost of a Used D5, with the benefits of Practicable Silent-Shooting in the cutting edge Z Liveview mode.


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Jun 10, 2020 at 09:32 AM
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p.1 #3 · Nikon D780 for WIldlife Photography


Thank you for investigating this interesting camera. One of the things I've read but have no personal hands on experience is that the Zed's with adaptor and lets say a 500mm PF are AF compromised in that the speed is slowed compared to a DSLR, is this true? Is this now not an issue with the D780 as no adaptor is required?

Tim



Jun 11, 2020 at 03:13 AM
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p.1 #4 · Nikon D780 for WIldlife Photography


TimMunsey wrote:
Thank you for investigating this interesting camera. One of the things I've read but have no personal hands on experience is that the Zed's with adaptor and lets say a 500mm PF are AF compromised in that the speed is slowed compared to a DSLR, is this true? Is this now not an issue with the D780 as no adaptor is required?

Tim


I never noticed any compromise of the FTZ with an E nor G F-Nikkor on the Z7. This includes 58 f1.4G, 70-200 f2.8E FL, both PF Nikkors and 400 f2.8E FL. Admittedly the only Z lens I have tried is the 24-70 f4S (an excellent zoom)

One hears there is, but in practise it is academic. There is no noticeable impact of the FTZ on AF performance. In fact an important +ve of the Z AF system is it helps shooting slower lens combos eg 700 f8 [500 PF + TC14 III]



Jun 11, 2020 at 05:36 AM
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p.1 #5 · Nikon D780 for WIldlife Photography


chambeshi wrote:
I never noticed any compromise of the FTZ with an E nor G F-Nikkor on the Z7. This includes 58 f1.4G, 70-200 f2.8E FL, both PF Nikkors and 400 f2.8E FL. Admittedly the only Z lens I have tried is the 24-70 f4S (an excellent zoom)

One hears there is, but in practise it is academic. There is no noticeable impact of the FTZ on AF performance. In fact an important +ve of the Z AF system is it helps shooting slower lens combos eg 700 f8 [500 PF + TC14 III]


Great news




Jun 11, 2020 at 11:01 PM
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p.1 #6 · Nikon D780 for WIldlife Photography


Enjoy your new camera. I wish you great success with it.

Steve



Jun 11, 2020 at 11:38 PM
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p.1 #7 · Nikon D780 for WIldlife Photography


Thanks

I have added a Hoodloupe to aid Liveview shooting, which for my needs is only Silent-shooting, but a Loupe is great for closeups in bright light. Almost always, a subject demanding silent shutter is not very active if at all. So panning and tracking is not a challenge BUT I meet most of the shy subjects such as carnivores and small antelope when walking. I don't always have an extra leg (let alone 3) attached to the telephoto; even my hip-mounted Steadify monopod takes that much longer to line up subject framing.

I still need to refine a "flip-down" bracket when shooting Lv free hand. The few trials I've run off using a make-a-plan rubber bands confirms that one can switch quickly between OVF to "EVF" types 'blad, with the Lv button right next to AF-On by one's thumb.

Obviously, the D780 is mostly shot in DSLR mode with AFC of almost D5 standard: Single-point or a9 are my main AF-modes for nearly all wildlife subjects. However the Lv is a significant improvement on the D850, which has been my standard to date with Lv for macro and landscapes.

The D780 merges Z6 standard focusing into a DSLR. It makes for a most pleasant experience, when Lv is indicated. Oh, and the IQ in high ISOs 6400 - 12800 continues to impress...

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Jun 12, 2020 at 02:26 AM
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p.1 #8 · Nikon D780 for WIldlife Photography


A hybrid OVF in a Prosumer DSLR is the next logical step.

It should be feasible to incorporate the Z EVF to switch on with LiveView: as the mirror is locked up. Hopefully Nikon are thinking about such a feature in the D860. Many invested in F-Nikon ecosystems are likely to buy such a DSLR.



Jun 12, 2020 at 02:29 AM
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p.1 #9 · Nikon D780 for WIldlife Photography


chambeshi wrote:
Thanks

I have added a Hoodloupe to aid Liveview shooting, which for my needs is only Silent-shooting, but a Loupe is great for closeups in bright light. Almost always, a subject demanding silent shutter is not very active if at all. So panning and tracking is not a challenge BUT I meet most of the shy subjects such as carnivores and small antelope when walking. I don't always have an extra leg (let alone 3 on the telephoto); even my hip-mounted Steadify monopod takes that much longer to line up subject framing.

I still need to refine a "flip-down" bracket when
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is it really that close to a D5 in the AF department?



Jun 12, 2020 at 05:37 AM
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While it is possible to implement a hybrid viewfinder, there would likely be a reduction in the quality of the viewfinder. It is not clear how much degradation customers would tolerate to get the hybrid functionality.

I tend to select the camera with the best OVF quality (in fact my system choice was based on that as well, though in the longer term switching would not have been economically practical). Thankfully Nikon have improved the OVF a lot. Nikon stated that they did not implement hybrid VF for the D850 because the OVF quality would have been degraded.

I think a better solution would be interchangeable viewfinders but it would likely be expensive.



Jun 12, 2020 at 05:52 AM
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p.1 #11 · Nikon D780 for WIldlife Photography


Creative Edge wrote:
is it really that close to a D5 in the AF department?


Note the D780 uses software developed for the D5 AF engine, which is also in the core of the D500 and D850, within a "dedicated AF engine chip, capable of rapid calculations". However, the D780 is based on an older AF sensor but according to Nikon, the "...51-point AF performance has been noticeably enhanced, thanks to the powerful EXPEED 6 image-processing engine and the detailed subject information by the Advanced Scene Recognition System with the upgraded 180k-pixel RGB sensor. Combined with a new AF algorithm adapted from the flagship D5, this enables it to deliver more tenacious tracking in 3D-tracking mode, as well as improved subject detection in auto-area AF." [source respective Nikon brochures with specs]

Any postulated tracking ability is an academic point unless the subject stays in the AF window! Testing to date on small flitting birds appears to confirm this, IF you can keep the subject in the AF sensor window, I find the AFC of the D780 is fast and responsive. There are no obvious differences compared to the D500 and D850, cameras I have much experience with. The obvious advantage with a D850 is its wider AF window, which is widest in the D500.



Jun 12, 2020 at 06:43 AM
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p.1 #12 · Nikon D780 for WIldlife Photography


ilkka_nissila wrote:
While it is possible to implement a hybrid viewfinder, there would likely be a reduction in the quality of the viewfinder. It is not clear how much degradation customers would tolerate to get the hybrid functionality.

I tend to select the camera with the best OVF quality (in fact my system choice was based on that as well, though in the longer term switching would not have been economically practical). Thankfully Nikon have improved the OVF a lot. Nikon stated that they did not implement hybrid VF for the D850 because the OVF quality would have been degraded.

I think a better
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In practise, interchangeable viewfinders would be too slow besides costly.

The development of the D850 occurred 4+ years ago and earlier. Nikon must be fully cognisant of the pay offs to refine the viewfinder system to a relatively affordable hybrid system. Thus R&D will be challenged to maintain OVF quality, whilst seamlessly incorporating a EVF into the housing. Yes interchangeable with mirror lockup.

I view the proverbial glass as half-full



Jun 12, 2020 at 06:52 AM





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